HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION
JOURNALS
No. 124
Thursday, February 6, 1997
10:00 a.m.
PRAYERS
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Tabling of Documents
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary
to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the
Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the
following petitions:
(1) Nos. 352-1114, 352-1287, 352-1300, 352-1309, 352-1319, 352-1384,
352-1396 and 352-1418 concerning national unity. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-33I;
(2) No. 352-1336 concerning victims of crime. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-107A;
(3) No. 352-1406 concerning sexual orientation. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-45R;
(4) No. 352-1407 concerning profits from crime. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-97M;
(5) Nos. 352-1413 to 352-1416 concerning the Senate. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-36E.
Mrs. Fry (Secretary of State (Multiculturalism)) laid upon the
Table -- Report
on the Operation of the Canadian Multiculturalism Act
for the fiscal year ended March 31, 1996,
pursuant to the Canadian Multiculturalism Act, R. S. 1985,
c. 24 (4th Supp.), s. 8. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-577A.
(Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to
the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage)
Statements by Ministers
Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Ms. Fry (Secretary of
State (Multiculturalism)(Status of Women)) made a statement.
Presenting Petitions
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of
Petitions were presented as follows:
-- by Mr. Harb (Ottawa Centre), one concerning the nuclear industry (No.
352-1592);
-- by Mr. O'Brien (London -- Middlesex), one concerning the highway system
(No. 352-1593);
-- by Mr. Harper (Simcoe Centre), one concerning the Young Offenders Act
(No. 352-1594), one concerning the sexual exploitation of minors (No.
352-1595), one concerning the parole system (No. 352-1596) and one
concerning national unity (No. 352-1597);
-- by Mr. Taylor (The Battlefords -- Meadow Lake), one concerning the highway
system (No. 352-1598);
-- by Mr. Peric (Cambridge), one concerning the highway system (No.
352-1599);
-- by Mr. Finlay (Oxford), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-1600),
one concerning gasoline pricing (No. 352-1601) and two concerning the
highway system (Nos. 352-1602 and 352-1603);
-- by Mr. O'Brien (Labrador), two concerning the fishing industry (Nos.
352-1604 and 352-1605);
-- by Mr. Gilmour (Comox -- Alberni), one concerning profits from crime (No.
352-1606);
-- by Mrs. Barnes (London West), one concerning the pharmaceutical industry
(No. 352-1607);
-- by Mr. Patry (Pierrefonds -- Dollard), one concerning the tax on gasoline
(No. 352-1608);
-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning national unity (No.
352-1609), one concerning sexual orientation (No. 352-1610), one concerning
police and firefighters' death benefits (No. 352-1611), one concerning the
income tax system (No. 352-1612) and one concerning alcoholic beverages
(No. 352-1613).
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-70,
An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial
Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing
and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, as reported by the
Standing Committee on Finance with amendments;
And of the motions in Group No. 2 (Motions Nos. 3 to 117).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Bernier
(Gaspé), moved Motion No. 68, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 209.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Bernier
(Gaspé), moved Motion No. 69, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 210.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Bernier
(Gaspé), moved Motion No. 70, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 211.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Bernier
(Gaspé), moved Motion No. 71, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 212.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Jacob
(Charlesbourg), moved Motion No. 72, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 213.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Jacob
(Charlesbourg), moved Motion No. 73, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 214.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Jacob
(Charlesbourg), moved Motion No. 74, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 215.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Jacob
(Charlesbourg), moved Motion No. 75, -- That Bill C-70 be amended
by deleting Clause 216.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Jacob
(Charlesbourg), moved Motion No. 76, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 217.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Jacob
(Charlesbourg), moved Motion No. 77, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 218.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Jacob
(Charlesbourg), moved Motion No. 78, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 219.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Jacob
(Charlesbourg), moved Motion No. 79, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 220.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 80, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 221.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 81, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 222.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 82, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 223.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 83, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 224.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 84, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 225.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 85, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 226.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 86, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 227.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 87, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 228.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 88, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 229.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 89, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 230.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 90, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 231.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 91, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 232.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 92, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 233.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 93, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 234.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 94, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 235.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 95, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 236.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 96, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 237.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 97, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 238.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 98, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 239.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 99, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 240.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lebel
(Chambly), moved Motion No. 100, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 241.
Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans) and Secretary of
State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)) for Mr. Martin
(Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Chan (Secretary of State
(Asia-Pacific)), moved Motion No. 101, -- That Bill C-70, in Clause
241, be amended by
(a) replacing, in the English version, lines 12 to 14 on page 284
with the following:
(a) October 23, 1996 in the case of Nova Scotia, New
Brunswick or Newfoundland; and
(b) February 10, 1997 in the case of the Nova Scotia
offshore area or the Newfoundland offshore area.''
(b) replacing, in the French version, lines 14 and 15 on page 284
with the following:
"se, du Nouveau-Brunswick, Terre-Neuve, de la zone
extracôtière de la Nouvelle-Écosse et de la zone extracôtière de
Terre-Neuve."
(c) replacing, in the French version, lines 16 to 19 on page 284
with the following:
"«date de mise en oeuvre anticipée»
a) Le 1er février 1997 dans le cas de la Nouvelle-Écosse, du
Nouveau-Brunswick et de Terre-Neuve;
b) le 10 février 1997 dans le cas de la zone extracôtière de la
Nouvelle-Écosse et de la zone extracôtière de Terre-Neuve."
(d) replacing, in the English version, lines 17 and 18 on page
284 with the following:
"Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Newfoundland, the Nova Scotia
offshore area or the Newfoundland offshore area."
(e) replacing, in the French version, lines 20 to 22 on page 284
with the following:
a) Le 23 octobre 1996 dans le cas de la Nouvelle-Écosse, du
Nouveau-Brunswick et de Terre-Neuve;
b) le 10 février 1997 dans le cas de la zone extracôtière de la
Nouvelle-Écosse et de la zone extracôtière de Terre-Neuve."
(f) replacing, in the English version, lines 20 to 22 on page 284
with the following:
``participating province means
(a) February 1, 1997 in the case of Nova Scotia, New
Brunswick or Newfoundland; and
(b) February 10, 1997 in the case of the Nova Scotia
offshore area or the Newfoundland offshore area.''
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 102, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 242.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 103, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 243.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 104, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 244.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 105, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 245.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 106, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 246.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 107, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 247.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 108, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 248.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 109, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 249.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 110, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 250.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 111, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 251.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 112, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 252.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 113, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 253.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 114, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by adding after line 45 on page 336 the following:
``253.1 (1) Schedule VI of the Act is amended by adding the
following after Part VII:
Part VII.1
PRINTED BOOKS, AUDIO RECORDINGS OF PRINTED BOOKS AND VERSIONS OF
SCRIPTURES OF ANY RELIGION
1. In this Part, ``printed book'' does not include anything
that is or the main component of which is
(b) a magazine or periodical acquired otherwise than by way of
subscription;
(c) a magazine or periodical in which the printed space devoted
to advertising is more than 5% of the total printed space;
(d) a brochure or pamphlet;
(e) a sales catalogue, a price list or advertising material;
(f) a warranty booklet or an owner's manual;
(g) a book designed primarily for writing on;
(h) a colouring book or a book designed primarily for drawing on
or affixing thereto, or inserting therein, items such as
clippings, pictures, coins, stamps or stickers;
(i) a cut-out book or a press-out book;
(j) a program relating to an event or performance;
(k) an agenda, calendar, syllabus or timetable;
(l) a directory, an assemblage of charts or an assemblage of
street or road maps, but not including
(ii) an atlas that consists in whole or in part of maps, other
than street or road maps;
(n) an assemblage of blueprints, patterns or stencils;
(o) prescribed property; or
(p) an assemblage or collection of, or any item similar to, items
included in any of paragraphs (a) to (o).
2. The supply of a printed book or an update of such a book.
3. The supply of an audio recording all or substantially all
of which is a spoken recording of a printed book.
4. The supply of a bound or unbound printed version of
scripture of any religion.
(2) Subsection (1) comes into force on April 1, 1997.''
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 115, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 254.
Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans) and Secretary of
State (Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency)) for Mr. Martin
(Minister of Finance), seconded Mr. Chan (Secretary of State
(Asia-Pacific)), moved Motion No. 116, -- That Bill C-70, in Clause
254, be amended by adding after line 5 on page 337 the following:
"4. Nova Scotia offshore area 8%
5. Newfoundland offshore area 8%"
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Lavigne
(Beauharnois -- Salaberry), moved Motion No. 117, -- That Bill C-70 be
amended by deleting Clause 255.
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 2.
The question was put on Motion No. 3 and, pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(8),
the recorded division was deferred.
Group No. 3
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Fillion
(Chicoutimi), moved Motion No. 118, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 261.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Fillion
(Chicoutimi), moved Motion No. 119, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 262.
Mr. Chan (Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific)) for Mr. Martin
(Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of
State (Veterans) and Secretary of State (Atlantic Canada
Opportunities Agency)), moved Motion No. 120, -- That Bill C-70, in
Clause 262, be amended by
(a) replacing lines 11 and 12 on page 359 with the following:
"province out of amounts received in a fiscal year under
Part IX of the Excise Tax Act"
(b) replacing line 30 on page 359 with the following:
"of amounts received in a fiscal year under Part IX of the
Excise Tax Act to a person"
(c) replacing line 41 on page 359 with the following:
"advance out of amounts received in a fiscal year under Part
IX of the Excise Tax Act"
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Fillion
(Chicoutimi), moved Motion No. 121, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 263.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Fillion
(Chicoutimi), moved Motion No. 122, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 264.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Fillion
(Chicoutimi), moved Motion No. 123, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 265.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Fillion
(Chicoutimi), moved Motion No. 124, -- That Bill C-70 be amended by
deleting Clause 266.
Debate arose on the motions in Group No. 3.
STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
ORAL QUESTIONS
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to
Oral Questions.
PRESENTING REPORTS FROM COMMITTEES
By unaninous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to
the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), from the
Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the
51st Report of the Committee which is as follows:
In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order 92(1),
your Committee has selected from among the items for which an
order of precedence was established on or after Tuesday, December
3, 1996, the following as votable items:
Bill C-249 -- Mr. Allmand
Bill C-250 -- Mr. Hermanson
Bill C-323 -- Mrs. Finestone
Motion M-260 -- Mr. Crête
Motion M-267 -- Mrs. Jennings
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 3,
which includes this Report) was tabled.
Pursuant to Standing Order 92(2), the report was deemed
adopted.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-70,
An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial
Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing
and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, as reported by the
Standing Committee on Finance with amendments;
And of the motions Group No. 3 (Motions Nos. 118 to 124).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 3.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration at report stage of Bill C-70,
An Act to amend the Excise Tax Act, the Federal-Provincial
Fiscal Arrangements Act, the Income Tax Act, the Debt Servicing
and Reduction Account Act and related Acts, as reported by the
Standing Committee on Finance with amendments.
And of the motions Group No. 3 (Motions Nos.118 to 124).
The debate continued on the motions in Group No. 3.
PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS
At 5:43 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House
proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Miss Grey (Beaver River),
seconded by Mrs. Ablonczy (Calgary North), -- That, in the opinion
of this House, the government should return the word ``Canadian'' among
questions of ethnic origin on the Canadian Census;
And on the amendment of Mr. Langlois (Bellechasse), seconded by
Mrs. Venne (Saint-Hubert), -- That the motion be amended by
replacing all the words after the word ``should'' with the
following:
``include ``Canadian'', ``Quebecker'', ``English-Canadian'', ``French-
Canadian'' and ``Acadian'' among questions of ethnic origin on the
Canadian Census.'' (Private Members' Business M-277)
The debate continued.
Pursuant to Standing Order 93, the Order was dropped to the
bottom of the order of precedence on the Order Paper.
MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
A Message was received from the Senate as follows:
-- ORDERED: That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to
acquaint that House that the Senate has passed Bill C-202, An Act
respecting a National Organ Donor Week in Canada, without
amendment.
RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), a paper deposited with the
Clerk of the House was laid upon the Table as follows:
-- by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans)) -- Statement on the
Operations of the Returned Soldiers' Insurance Act for the fiscal year
ended March 31, 1996, pursuant to an Act to amend the Returned Soldiers'
Insurance Act, S. C. 1951, c. 59, s. 12. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-228.
(Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the Standing
Committee on National Defence and Veterans Affairs)
-- by Mr. MacAulay (Secretary of State (Veterans)) -- Statement
on the
Operations of the Veterans Insurance Act for the fiscal year
ended March 31, 1996, pursuant to Veterans Insurance Act, R.S. 1970,
ch. V-3, sbs. 18(2). -- Sessional Paper
No. 8560-352-254. (Pursuant to Standing Order
32(5), permanently referred to the Standing Committee on National Defence
and Veterans Affairs)
ADJOURNMENT
At 6:41 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until
tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).