HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION
JOURNALS
No. 143
Wednesday, March 12, 1997
2:00 p.m.
PRAYERS
NATIONAL ANTHEM
STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
ORAL QUESTIONS
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to
Oral Questions.
NOTICE OF MOTION
Mr. Gagliano (Minister of Labour and Deputy Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons) gave notice of the intention
to move a motion at the next sitting of the House, pursuant to
Standing Order 78(3), for the purpose of allotting a specified
number of days or hours for the consideration and disposal of the
third reading stage of Bill C-66, An Act to amend the Canada
Labour Code (Part I) and the Corporations and Labour Unions
Returns Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts.
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Tabling of Documents
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary
to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the
Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the
following petitions:
(1) Nos. 352-1590 and 352-1698 concerning euthanasia. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-19R;
(2) No. 352-1615 concerning abortion. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-26N;
(3) No. 352-1631 concerning Canadian technology. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-142A;
(4) No. 352-1734 concerning pornography. -- Sessional Paper
No. 8545-352-124G;
(5) No. 352-1754 concerning the sexual exploitation of minors. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-74M;
(6) No. 352-1767 concerning sex offenders. -- Sessional Paper
No. 8545-352-2O.
Statements by Ministers
Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Irwin (Minister of
Indian Affairs and Northern Development) made a statement.
Presenting Reports from Committees
Mr. Mitchell (Parry Sound -- Muskoka), from the Standing
Committee on Natural Resources, presented the 3rd Report of the
Committee (Think Rural!). -- Sessional Paper No. 8510-352-84.
Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the government was requested
by the Committee to table a comprehensive response.
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issues Nos.
1, 2 and 5, which includes this Report) was tabled.
Introduction of Private Members' Bills
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of
Mr. Johnston (Wetaskiwin), seconded by Mr. Strahl (Fraser Valley
East), Bill C-383, An Act to provide for the settlement of labour
disputes affecting west coast ports by final offer arbitration,
was introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of
Mr. McTeague (Ontario), seconded by Mr. McKinnon (Brandon -- Souris),
Bill C-384, An Act to amend the Canadian Radio-
television and Telecommunications Commission Act, was introduced,
read the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a
second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Motions
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That Private
Member's Bill C-301, standing in the name of Mr. Ianno (Trinity -- Spadina)
in the order of precedence on the Order Paper, be
withdrawn.
Presenting Petitions
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of
Petitions were presented as follows:
-- by Mr. Wappel (Scarborough West), one concerning the Divorce Act (No.
352-1904)
and four concerning profits from crime (Nos. 352-1905 to 352-1908);
-- by Mr. Chrétien (Frontenac), one concerning the Senate (No. 352-1909);
-- by Mr. Laurin (Joliette), one concerning banks (No. 352-1910);
-- by Mr. Jackson (Bruce -- Grey), one concerning the highway system (No.
352-1911);
-- by Mr. Steckle (Huron -- Bruce), one concerning impaired driving (No.
352-1912) and
one concerning corporal punishment (No. 352-1913);
-- by Mr. Mills (Red Deer), one concerning the highway system (No.
352-1914);
-- by Mr. Blaikie (Winnipeg Transcona), one concerning the tax on gasoline
(No. 352-1915) and one concerning pay equity (No. 352-1916);
-- by Mrs. Ur (Lambton -- Middlesex), one concerning children's rights (No.
352-1917);
-- by Mrs. Terrana (Vancouver East), one concerning taxes on books (No.
352-1918);
-- by Mr. Mitchell (Parry Sound -- Muskoka), one concerning the tax on
gasoline (No. 352-1919),
one concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1920) and two concerning the
highway system (Nos. 352-1921 and 352-1922);
-- by Mr. McTeague (Ontario), one concerning impaired driving (No.
352-1923).
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The Order was read for the consideration of the Business of
Supply.
Mr. Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), seconded by Mrs. Guay
(Laurentides), moved, -- That this House condemn the federal
government which, because of its policies, is in large measure
responsible for increasing poverty in the regions of Quebec,
especially the loss of 10,000 jobs at Canada Post; the offloading
of regional airports and ports without adequate financial
compensation; the tightening of employment insurance eligibility
criteria that has adversely affected seasonal workers, among
others; the setting of fees for coast guard services; the
significant reductions in fishing quotas in Quebec; the refusal
to extend the framework agreement on regional economic
development with the Quebec government; and, finally, increasing
unilateral intervention in regional development matters without
consideration of Quebec's areas of jurisdiction.
Debate arose thereon.
MOTIONS
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That any recorded
division requested with regard to Private Member's Motion M-31 on
March 12, 1997, be deferred to the conclusion of Government
Orders on April 7, 1997; and
That any recorded division requested with regard to business
pursuant to Standing Order 78 on March 13, 1997, be deferred
until the conclusion of Government Orders on March 17, 1997.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr.
Rocheleau (Trois-Rivières), seconded by Mrs. Guay (Laurentides).
At 5:25 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 86(17), the Speaker
interrupted the proceedings.
Pursuant to Standing Order 86(17), the House proceeded to
the putting of the question on the main motion of Mr. Rocheleau
(Trois-Rivières), seconded by Mrs. Guay (Laurentides).
The question was put on the motion and it was negatived on
the following division:
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Brien
-- Canuel -- Chrétien -- (Frontenac) -- Crête
-- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies
-- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Fillion -- Gagnon -- (Québec)
-- Godin -- Guimond -- Jacob -- Landry -- Laurin
-- Lavigne -- (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel
-- Leroux -- (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux -- (Shefford)
-- Loubier -- Marchand -- Ménard -- Nunez -- Picard -- (Drummond)
-- Pomerleau -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau
-- Tremblay -- (Lac-Saint-Jean)
-- Tremblay -- (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay -- (Rosemont)
-- Wayne -- 38
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Adams -- Alcock -- Arseneault
-- Assad -- Beaumier -- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare
-- Benoit -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria
-- Blaikie -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria
-- Breitkreuz -- (Yellowhead) -- Brown -- (Oakville -- Milton)
-- Brushett -- Bryden -- Byrne -- Calder -- Campbell
-- Cannis -- Catterall -- Chamberlain -- Chatters -- Clancy
-- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Crawford
-- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal -- Dromisky -- Duhamel
-- Duncan -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton -- English
-- Epp -- Fewchuk -- Flis -- Fontana -- Forseth -- Frazer
-- Fry -- Gaffney -- Gagnon -- (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine)
-- Gallaway -- Gilmour -- Graham -- Grose -- Grubel
-- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harper -- (Churchill)
-- Harper -- (Simcoe Centre) -- Harvard -- Hermanson
-- Hickey -- Hill -- (Prince George -- Peace River)
-- Hopkins -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Johnston -- Jordan
-- Karygiannis -- Keyes -- Kilger -- (Stormont -- Dundas)
-- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Lastewka -- Lee -- Lincoln -- MacAulay
-- MacDonald -- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau
-- Martin -- (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- Mayfield
-- McClelland -- (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- McCormick
-- McGuire -- McKinnon
-- McLellan -- (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague
-- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Mills -- (Red Deer) -- Minna
-- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray
-- O'Brien -- (Labrador) -- O'Brien -- (London -- Middlesex)
-- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis -- Parrish -- Peric
-- Peters -- Peterson -- Phinney -- Pickard -- (Essex -- Kent)
-- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson
-- Rideout -- Ringma -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Scott -- (Skeena)
-- Serré -- Shepherd -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker
-- Speller -- St. Denis -- Steckle -- Stewart -- (Brant)
-- Stewart -- (Northumberland) -- Strahl -- Taylor
-- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Thompson -- Torsney
-- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker
-- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- White -- (North Vancouver)
-- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 155
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Assadourian -- Augustine
-- Axworthy -- (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre)
-- Bergeron -- Bernier -- (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead)
-- Cauchon -- Daviault -- Finestone -- Gagliano -- Gauthier
-- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Guay -- Lalonde -- Langlois
-- Lefebvre -- MacLellan -- (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys)
-- Mercier -- Paré -- Scott -- (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury)
-- Szabo -- Venne
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr.
Young (Minister of National Defence and Minister of Veterans
Affairs), moved, -- That Supplementary Estimates (B) for the
fiscal year ending March 31, 1997, be concurred in.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following
division:
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Adams -- Alcock -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Beaumier
-- Bélair -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bertrand -- Bethel
-- Bevilacqua -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria
-- Brown -- (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden
-- Byrne -- Calder -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall
-- Chamberlain -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins
-- Comuzzi -- Crawford -- Cullen -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal
-- Dromisky -- Duhamel -- Dupuy -- Easter -- Eggleton
-- English -- Fewchuk -- Flis -- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney
-- Gagnon -- (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine)
-- Gallaway -- Graham -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Harb
-- Harper -- (Churchill) -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins
-- Irwin -- Jackson -- Jordan -- Karygiannis -- Keyes
-- Kilger -- (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson
-- Lastewka -- Lee -- Lincoln -- MacAulay -- MacDonald
-- Malhi -- Maloney -- Manley -- Marleau
-- Martin -- (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McCormick
-- McGuire -- McKinnon
-- McLellan -- (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague
-- McWhinney -- Mifflin -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy
-- Murray -- O'Brien -- (Labrador)
-- O'Brien -- (London -- Middlesex) -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan
-- Paradis -- Parrish -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson
-- Phinney -- Pickard -- (Essex -- Kent) -- Pillitteri
-- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Robichaud
-- Robillard -- Serré -- Shepherd -- Speller -- St. Denis
-- Steckle -- Stewart -- (Brant) -- Stewart -- (Northumberland)
-- Telegdi -- Terrana -- Thalheimer -- Torsney -- Ur
-- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel
-- Wayne -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 126
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Abbott -- Ablonczy -- Asselin -- Bachand -- Bélisle
-- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bhaduria -- Blaikie
-- Breitkreuz -- (Yellowhead) -- Brien -- Canuel
-- Chatters -- Chrétien -- (Frontenac) -- Crête
-- Dalphond-Guiral -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Deshaies
-- Dubé -- Duceppe -- Dumas -- Duncan -- Epp -- Fillion
-- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon -- (Québec) -- Gilmour
-- Godin -- Grubel -- Guimond -- Harper -- (Simcoe Centre)
-- Hermanson -- Hill -- (Prince George -- Peace River)
-- Jacob -- Johnston -- Landry -- Laurin
-- Lavigne -- (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lebel
-- Leroux -- (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux -- (Shefford)
-- Loubier -- Marchand -- Mayfield
-- McClelland -- (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Ménard
-- Mills -- (Red Deer) -- Morrison -- Nunez
-- Picard -- (Drummond) -- Pomerleau -- Ringma -- Rocheleau
-- Sauvageau -- Scott -- (Skeena) -- Silye -- Solberg
-- Speaker -- Strahl -- Taylor -- Thompson
-- Tremblay -- (Lac-Saint-Jean)
-- Tremblay -- (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay -- (Rosemont)
-- White -- (North Vancouver) -- 67
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Assadourian -- Augustine
-- Axworthy -- (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre)
-- Bergeron -- Bernier -- (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead)
-- Cauchon -- Daviault -- Finestone -- Gagliano -- Gauthier
-- Godfrey -- Goodale -- Guay -- Lalonde -- Langlois
-- Lefebvre -- MacLellan -- (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys)
-- Mercier -- Paré -- Scott -- (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury)
-- Szabo -- Venne
Pursuant to Standing Orders 81(21) and 69(1), on motion of
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr.
Young (Minister of National Defence and Minister of Veterans
Affairs), Bill C-87, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain
sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial
year ending March 31, 1997, was read the first time and ordered
to be printed.
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr.
Young (Minister of National Defence and Minister of Veterans
Affairs), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and
referred to a Committee of the Whole.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following
division:
YEAS: 126, NAYS: 67. (See list under Division No. 258)
Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to a Committee
of the Whole.
The Committee considered the Bill and reported it without amendment.
Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(12), Mr. Massé (President of
the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Young (Minister of National
Defence and Minister of Veterans Affairs), moved, -- That the Bill
be concurred in at report stage.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following
division:
YEAS: 126, NAYS: 67. (See list under Division No. 258)
Accordingly, the Bill was concurred in at report stage.
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr.
Young (Minister of National Defence and Minister of Veterans
Affairs), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a third time and do
pass.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following
division:
YEAS: 126, NAYS: 67. (See list under Division No. 258)
Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr.
Young (Minister of National Defence and Minister of Veterans
Affairs), moved, -- That this House do concur in Interim Supply as
follows:
That a sum not exceeding $33,194,135,278.35 being composed of:
(1) nine-twelfths ($25,397,186,592.00) of the total of the amounts of the
items set forth in the
Main Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1998 which were laid
upon the Table
Thursday, February 20, 1997, and except for those items below:
(2) eleven-twelfths of the total of the amount of Canadian Heritage Vote
35, Environment Vote 5,
Finance Votes 15 and 20, Fisheries and Oceans Vote 10, Foreign Affairs and
International Trade
Vote 5, Human Resources Development Votes 5 and 35, Industry Votes 30 and
35, Justice Vote
1, National Defence Vote 10, Natural Resources Vote L15, Public Works and
Government
Services Votes 20 and 25, Transport Votes 1 and 20, and Treasury Board
Votes 5 and 10
(Schedule A) of the said Estimates, $2,423,142,384.68;
(3) ten-twelfths of the total of the amount of Environment Votes 1 and 10,
Human Resources
Development Vote 10, Indian Affairs and Northern Development Votes 15 and
40, Industry Vote
40, Justice Vote 5, Parliament Vote 1, Public Works and Government
Services Vote 15, and
Transport Vote 35 (Schedule B) of the said Estimates, $5,373,806,301.67;
be granted to Her Majesty on account of the fiscal year ending
March 31, 1998.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following
division:
YEAS: 126, NAYS: 67. (See list under Division No. 258)
Pursuant to Standing Orders 81(21) and 69(1), on motion of
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr.
Young (Minister of National Defence and Minister of Veterans
Affairs), Bill C-88, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain
sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial
year ending March 31, 1998, was read the first time and ordered
to be printed.
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr.
Young (Minister of National Defence and Minister of Veterans
Affairs), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a second time and
referred to a Committee of the Whole.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following
division:
YEAS: 126, NAYS: 67. (See list under Division No. 258)
Accordingly, the Bill was read the second time and referred to a Committee
of the Whole.
The Committee considered the Bill and reported it without amendment.
Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(12), Mr. Massé (President of
the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr. Young (Minister of National
Defence and Minister of Veterans Affairs), moved, -- That the Bill
be concurred in at report stage.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following
division:
YEAS: 126, NAYS: 67. (See list under Division No. 258)
Accordingly, the Bill was concurred in at report stage.
Mr. Massé (President of the Treasury Board), seconded by Mr.
Young (Minister of National Defence and Minister of Veterans
Affairs), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a third time and do
pass.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on the following
division:
YEAS: 126, NAYS: 67. (See list under Division No. 258)
Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and passed.
PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS
At 6:16 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the House
proceeded to the consideration of Private Members' Business.
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Mills
(Red Deer), seconded by Mr. Frazer (Saanich -- Gulf Islands), -- That,
in the opinion of this House, all proposed peacekeeping or peace
enforcement commitments involving more than 100 Canadian
personnel should be put to a free vote in the House for approval
or rejection; (Private Members' Business M-31)
And of the amendment of Mr. Brien (Témiscamingue), seconded
by Mr. Leroux (Shefford), -- That the motion be amended by
deleting all the words after the word ``all'' and substituting the
following:
``projects of military commitments abroad involving Canadian
troops must, as soon as possible, be the subject of a vote in the
House in order to recommend their approval or rejection to the
government.''
The debate continued.
MOTIONS
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That,
notwithstanding the Order made earlier today, at the conclusion
of the debate on Motion M-31 today, a recorded division shall be
deemed requested and deferred until Monday, April 7, 1997, at the
expiry of the time provided for Government Orders.
PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Mills
(Red Deer), seconded by Mr. Frazer (Saanich -- Gulf Islands);
(Private Members' Business M-31)
And of the amendment of Mr. Brien (Témiscamingue), seconded
by Mr. Leroux (Shefford).
The debate continued.
The question was put on the amendment and, pursuant to Order
made earlier today, a recorded division was deferred until
Monday, April 7, 1997, at the expiry of the time provided for
Government Orders.
PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION
At 6:57 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question
``That this House do now adjourn'' was deemed to have been
proposed.
After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.
ADJOURNMENT
At 7:04 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow
at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).