HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION
JOURNALS
No. 147
Wednesday, March 19, 1997
2:00 p.m.
PRAYERS
NATIONAL ANTHEM
STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
ORAL QUESTIONS
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded
to Oral Questions.
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Tabling of Documents
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to
the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, --
Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the following
petitions:
-- No. 352-1489 concerning Bell Canada. -- Sessional Paper No.
8545-352-6D;
-- No. 352-1607 concerning the pharmaceutical industry. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-94D;
-- Nos. 352-1608, 352-1616 and 352-1624 concerning the tax on
gasoline. -- Sessional Paper No. 8545-352-44W;
-- No. 352-1612 concerning the income tax system. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-28II;
-- No. 352-1619 concerning gasoline pricing. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-78E.
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed
(Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in
the House of Commons) laid upon the Table, -- Orders in
Council approving certain appointments made by the Governor
General in Council, pursuant to Standing Order 110(1), as
follows:
-- P.C. 1997-269, P.C. 1997-270, P.C. 1997-271 and P.C.
1997-272. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-2D. (Pursuant to
Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on
Agriculture and Agri-Food);
-- P.C. 1997-224, P.C. 1997-225 and P.C. 1997-276. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8540-352-3I. (Pursuant to Standing
Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Canadian
Heritage);
-- P.C. 1997-232, P.C. 1997-233, P.C. 1997-234, P.C. 1997-235,
P.C. 1997-236 and P.C. 1997-237. -- Sessional Paper No.
8540-352-14J. (Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred
to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration);
-- P.C. 1997-228. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-10J.
(Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing
Committee on Fisheries and Oceans);
-- P.C. 1997-222, P.C. 1997-223, P.C. 1997-268 and P.C.
1997-313. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-8K. (Pursuant to
Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on
Foreign Affairs and International Trade);
-- P.C. 1997-281. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-4G.
(Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing
Committee on Government Operations);
-- P.C. 1997-314. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-18G.
(Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing
Committee on Health);
-- P.C. 1997-221. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-22H.
(Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing
Committee on Industry);
-- P.C. 1997-226. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-13H.
(Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing
Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs);
-- P.C. 1997-264. -- Sessional Paper No. 8540-352-6I.
(Pursuant to Standing Order 32(6), referred to the Standing
Committee on Natural Resources);
-- P.C. 1997-227, P.C. 1997-277 and P.C. 1997-278. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8540-352-5L. (Pursuant to Standing
Order 32(6), referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure
and House Affairs).
Mr. Eggleton (Minister of International Trade) laid
upon the Table, -- Documents entitled "Canada's International Business
Strategy 1997-98" and "Achievements of the International Business
Development Program (1997)". -- Sessional Paper No. 8525-352-18.
Statements by Ministers
Pursuant to Standing Order 33(1), Mr. Eggleton
(Minister for International Trade) made a statement.
Presenting Reports from Committees
Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing
Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 59th
Report of the Committee, which was as follows:
In accordance with its mandate under Standing Order
92(1), your Committee has selected from among the items for
which an order of precedence was established on or after
Thursday, February 20, 1997, the following as votable items:
Bill C-345 -- Mr. Bhaduria
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue
No. 3, which includes this Report) was tabled.
Pursuant to Standing Order 92(2), the Report was deemed
adopted.
Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing
Committee on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 60th
Report of the Committee, which was as follows:
The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, the
following changes in the membership of Standing Committees:
Industry
Yves Rocheleau for Nic Leblanc
National Defence and Veterans Affairs
Jean-Marc Jacob for Pierre Brien
The Committee further recommends, that where a Member is appointed as
permanent member to a Committee in accordance with this report and to which
he was previously appointed Associate Member, that the name of the Member
be struck from the list of Associate Members of the said Committee.
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue
No. 3, which includes this Report) was tabled.
Introduction of Private Members' Bills
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion
of Mrs. Jennings (Mission -- Coquitlam), seconded by Mr.
Williams (St. Albert), Bill C-390, An Act to amend the Food
and Drugs Act (labelling for prepackaged foods), was
introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the
House.
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion
of Mr. Finlay (Oxford), seconded by Mr. Grose (Oshawa), Bill
C-391, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (penalties for
sexual offences involving children), was introduced, read
the first time, ordered to be printed and ordered for a
second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Motions
By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary
to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons),
seconded by Mr. Kilger (Stormont -- Dundas), moved, -- That the
60th Report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House
Affairs, presented earlier today, be concurred in.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed
to.
Mr. Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Silye
(Calgary Centre), moved, -- That the 3rd Report of the Standing
Committee on Public Accounts, presented on Monday, October
28, 1996, be concurred in.
Debate arose thereon.
Mr. Speaker (Lethbridge), seconded by Mr. Hanger
(Calgary Northeast), moved, -- That the Member for Calgary
Centre be now heard.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr.
Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Silye (Calgary
Centre), -- That the 3rd Report of the Standing Committee on
Public Accounts, presented on Monday, October 28, 1996, be
concurred in.
The debate continued.
Mr. Silye (Calgary Centre), seconded by Mr. Harper
(Simcoe Centre), moved, -- That the House do now adjourn.
The question was put on the motion and it was negatived
on the following division:
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Blaikie -- Cummins -- Epp -- Gilmour -- Grubel -- Hanger
-- Harper -- (Simcoe Centre) -- Hart -- Jennings
-- Martin -- (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca)
-- McClelland -- (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Meredith
-- Morrison -- Silye -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Thompson
-- White -- (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 19
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Alcock -- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Augustine
-- Axworthy -- (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre)
-- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélanger -- Bélisle
-- Bellehumeur -- Bellemare -- Bergeron -- Bernier -- (Beauce)
-- Bernier -- (Gaspé)
-- Bernier -- (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand
-- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blondin-Andrew
-- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brown -- (Oakville -- Milton)
-- Brushett -- Bryden -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Canuel
-- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chan -- Chrétien -- (Frontenac)
-- Chrétien -- (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen
-- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Copps -- Cowling -- Crête
-- Culbert -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault
-- Debien -- Deshaies -- DeVillers -- Discepola -- Dumas
-- Dupuy -- Fewchuk -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Finlay
-- Flis -- Fontana -- Frazer -- Gaffney -- Gagliano
-- Gagnon -- (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine)
-- Gallaway -- Gauthier -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Godin
-- Graham -- Gray -- (Windsor West/Ouest) -- Grose
-- Guarnieri -- Harb -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins
-- Hubbard -- Ianno -- Iftody -- Jackson -- Jacob -- Keyes
-- Kilger -- (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Knutson
-- Kraft Sloan -- Langlois -- Laurin
-- Lavigne -- (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lebel -- Lee
-- Leroux -- (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux -- (Shefford)
-- Lincoln -- Loubier
-- MacLellan -- (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi
-- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau
-- Martin -- (LaSalle -- Émard) -- Massé -- McGuire
-- McLellan -- (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague
-- Ménard -- Mercier -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray
-- Nault -- Nunez -- O'Reilly -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis
-- Paré -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew
-- Picard -- (Drummond) -- Pillitteri -- Plamondon
-- Pomerleau -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson
-- Rideout -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Sauvageau
-- Scott -- (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré
-- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Szabo
-- Telegdi -- Torsney -- Tremblay -- (Lac-Saint-Jean)
-- Tremblay -- (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Valeri
-- Wappel -- Wells -- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 151
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Brien -- Calder -- Chamberlain -- Collins -- Dubé
-- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- English -- Fry -- Gagnon -- (Québec)
-- Goodale -- Guay -- Guimond -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lefebvre
-- McKinnon -- Patry -- Rocheleau -- Steckle -- Vanclief
-- Venne
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr.
Williams (St. Albert), seconded by Mr. Silye (Calgary
Centre), -- That the 3rd Report of the Standing Committee on
Public Accounts, presented on Monday, October 28, 1996, be
concurred in.
Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons), seconded by Mr. Kilger
(Stormont -- Dundas), moved, -- That the House do now proceed to
the Orders of the Day.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to
on the following division:
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Arseneault -- Assad
-- Axworthy -- (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre)
-- Barnes -- Bellemare -- Bertrand -- Bethel -- Bevilacqua
-- Blondin-Andrew -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria
-- Brown -- (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden
-- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall -- Cauchon -- Chan
-- Chrétien -- (Saint-Maurice) -- Clancy -- Cohen
-- Collenette -- Comuzzi -- Cowling -- Culbert -- DeVillers
-- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Dupuy -- Fewchuk -- Finlay
-- Flis -- Fontana -- Gagliano
-- Gagnon -- (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine)
-- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Graham -- Grose -- Guarnieri
-- Harb -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Irwin -- Jackson -- Keyes
-- Kilger -- (Stormont -- Dundas) -- Kirkby -- Kraft Sloan
-- Lee -- MacLellan -- (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys)
-- Manley -- Massé -- McGuire
-- McLellan -- (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- Murray
-- Nault -- O'Brien -- (London -- Middlesex) -- O'Reilly
-- Pagtakhan -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew
-- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson
-- Rideout -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Serré -- Shepherd
-- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Speller -- St. Denis -- Szabo
-- Telegdi -- Valeri -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells
-- Whelan -- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 91
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Althouse -- Blaikie -- Cummins -- Epp -- Frazer -- Gilmour
-- Grubel -- Hanger -- Harper -- (Simcoe Centre)
-- Hart -- Martin -- (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Mayfield
-- Meredith -- Morrison -- Schmidt -- Solberg -- Speaker
-- Thompson -- White -- (North Vancouver) -- Williams -- 20
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Brien -- Calder -- Chamberlain -- Collins -- Dubé
-- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- English -- Fry -- Gagnon -- (Québec)
-- Goodale -- Guay -- Guimond -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lefebvre
-- McKinnon -- Patry -- Rocheleau -- Steckle -- Vanclief
-- Venne
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
At 5:40 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House
resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin (Minister
of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the Government
in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of Canada), -- That
this House approves in general the budgetary policy of
the Government. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 15)
The House proceeded to the taking of the deferred
recorded division on the amendment of Mr. Loubier
(Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr. Pomerleau
(Anjou -- Rivière-des-Prairies), -- That the motion be amended by deleting all
the words after the word ``That'' and substituting the
following:
``the budget statement by the Minister of Finance be rejected
by the House of Commons because it:
unilaterally maintains major reductions in transfer payments
to the provinces in the fields of postsecondary education,
health and social assistance, while intruding in areas of
exclusive provincial jurisdiction, particularly by creating
the Canada Foundation for Innovation from money earmarked
for the provinces, introducing a national child tax benefit
system, and setting up pilot projects filled with national
unity propaganda in the field of health and social programs;
proposes no tangible job creation measures, does not
substantially reduce Unemployment Insurance contribution
rates, or improve protection for unemployed persons, which
has been greatly reduced by Employment Insurance;
conceals its lack of action in creating jobs and fighting
poverty, knowingly reducing effectiveness in these areas and
distributing electoral gifts around Canada and Quebec;
does not include an in-depth reform of the tax treatment of
businesses or individuals, for example, by maintaining
benefits for large corporations and rich Canadians; and
introduces no measures to compensate the Quebec government
for the 1991 harmonization of its sales tax with the federal
GST, although Quebec would be eligible for this compensation
in light of the $1 billion being paid to the maritime
provinces.''
The question was put on the amendment and it was
negatived on the following division:
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron
-- Bernier -- (Gaspé)
-- Bernier -- (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Canuel
-- Chrétien -- (Frontenac) -- Crête -- Dalphond-Guiral
-- Daviault -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Dumas -- Fillion
-- Gauthier -- Godin -- Jacob -- Langlois -- Laurin
-- Lebel -- Leroux -- (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Leroux -- (Shefford)
-- Loubier -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Nunez -- Paré
-- Picard -- (Drummond) -- Plamondon -- Pomerleau
-- Sauvageau -- Tremblay -- (Lac-Saint-Jean)
-- Tremblay -- (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- 34
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Alcock -- Arseneault -- Assad -- Augustine
-- Axworthy -- (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre)
-- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélanger -- Bellemare -- Bertrand
-- Bethel -- Bevilacqua -- Bhaduria -- Blondin-Andrew
-- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Brown -- (Oakville -- Milton)
-- Brushett -- Bryden -- Campbell -- Cannis -- Catterall
-- Cauchon -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Comuzzi
-- Copps -- Cowling -- Culbert -- Cullen -- Cummins
-- DeVillers -- Dingwall -- Discepola -- Dupuy -- Epp
-- Fewchuk -- Finestone -- Finlay -- Flis -- Fontana
-- Gagliano -- Gagnon -- (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine)
-- Gallaway -- Gerrard -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Grubel
-- Guarnieri -- Hanger -- Harb -- Harper -- (Simcoe Centre)
-- Hart -- Harvard -- Hickey -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Iftody
-- Irwin -- Jackson -- Keyes -- Kilger -- (Stormont -- Dundas)
-- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan
-- Lavigne -- (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lee -- Lincoln
-- MacLellan -- (Cape/Cap-Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi
-- Maloney -- Marchi -- Marleau
-- Martin -- (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca) -- Massé -- Mayfield
-- McCormick -- McGuire
-- McLellan -- (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague
-- Meredith -- Mitchell -- Morrison -- Murphy -- Murray
-- Nault -- O'Brien -- (London -- Middlesex) -- O'Reilly
-- Pagtakhan -- Peric -- Peters -- Peterson -- Pettigrew
-- Pillitteri -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson
-- Rideout -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Schmidt
-- Scott -- (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Serré
-- Shepherd -- Sheridan -- Simmons -- Solberg -- Speaker
-- Speller -- St. Denis -- Szabo -- Telegdi -- Thompson
-- Torsney -- Valeri -- Volpe -- Walker -- Wappel -- Wells
-- Whelan -- White -- (North Vancouver) -- Williams
-- Wood -- Young -- Zed -- 127
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Brien -- Calder -- Chamberlain -- Collins -- Dubé
-- Duceppe -- Duhamel -- English -- Fry -- Gagnon -- (Québec)
-- Goodale -- Guay -- Guimond -- Lalonde -- Landry -- Lefebvre
-- McKinnon -- Patry -- Rocheleau -- Steckle -- Vanclief
-- Venne
MESSAGES FROM THE SENATE
A Message was received from the Senate informing this
House that the Senate has passed Bill S-15, An Act to amend An
Act to incorporate the Bishop of the Arctic of the Church of
England in Canada, to which the concurrence of the House is
desired.
Pursuant to Standing Order 135(2), the Bill was deemed
to have been read the first time and ordered for a second
reading at the next sitting of the House.
PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS
At 5:59 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 30(7), the
House proceeded to the consideration of Private Members'
Business.
Pursuant to Order made Tuesday, March 18, 1997, the
Order was read for the consideration at report stage of Bill
C-300, An Act respecting the establishment and award of a
Canadian Peacekeeping Service Medal for Canadians who have
served with an international peacekeeping mission, as
reported by the Standing Committee on National Defence and
Veterans Affairs with amendments.
Mr. Frazer (Saanich -- Gulf Islands), seconded by Mr.
Hanger (Calgary Northeast), moved, -- That the Bill, as
amended, be concurred in at report stage.
Pursuant to Order made Tuesday, March 18, 1997, the
question was deemed to have been put on the motion and
agreed to.
Accordingly, the Bill, as amended, was concurred in at
report stage.
Pursuant to Standing Order 76.1(11), Mr. Frazer
(Saanich -- Gulf Islands), seconded by Mr. Hanger (Calgary
Northeast), moved, -- That the Bill be now read a third time
and do pass.
Debate arose thereon.
Pursuant to Order made Tuesday, March 18, 1997, the
question was deemed to have been put on the motion and
agreed to.
Accordingly, the Bill was read the third time and
passed.
At 6:11 p.m., the House resumed consideration of the
motion of Miss Grey (Beaver River), seconded by Mrs.
Ablonczy (Calgary North), -- That, in the opinion of this
House, the government should return the word ``Canadian''
among questions of ethnic origin on the Canadian Census;
And of the amendment of Mr. Langlois (Bellechasse),
seconded by Mrs. Venne (Saint-Hubert), -- That the motion be
amended by replacing all the words after the word ``should''
with the following:
``include ``Canadian'', ``Quebecker'', ``English-Canadian'',
``French-Canadian'' and ``Acadian'' among questions of ethnic
origin on the Canadian Census.''
The debate continued.
At 6:55 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 93, the
Speaker interrupted the proceedings.
Pursuant to Order made Tuesday, March 18, 1997, the
question was deemed to have been put on the amendment and a
recorded division was deemed to have been requested and
deferred to Monday, April 7, 1997, at the expiry of the time
provided for Government Orders.
RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with
the Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:
-- by Mr. Irwin (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern
Development) -- Statutes of the Northwest Territories for the
year 1996,
pursuant to the Northwest Territories Act, R. S. 1985, c. N-27,
sbs. 21(1). -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-388D.
(Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to
the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development)
-- by Mr. Pettigrew (Minister of Human Resources Development) -- Copy
of Order in Council P.C. 1997-296, dated March 4, 1997,
concerning the Agreement on Social Security
between the Government of Canada and the Government of the Republic
of Chile,
pursuant to the
Old Age Security Act, R. S. 1985, c. O-9, sbs. 42(1). -- Sessional
Paper No. 8560-352-212E.
(Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to
the Standing Committee on Human Resources Development)
PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified
correct by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:
-- by Mr. Godfrey (Don Valley West), concerning nuclear weapons (No.
352-1954).
ADJOURNMENT
At 6:55 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until
tomorrow at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).