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Counter Culture On the Out? Nah... I Don't Think So.

Posted by John on Oct 25, 2006
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Lisa Christiansen sent me an interesting essay from yesterday's Toronto Star speculating on whether or not the internet has made underground social movements a thing of the past.

I don't think so at all. The underground is alive and well (trust me, I was just there), and if anything, the issue isn't that there are no new movements, so much as there are so many that it's impossible for the media to easily name and define any one as being dominant.

I think the big movements like hippie, punk, and grunge (was grunge unique enough to be called a movement?) were mostly media constructs. Really, these were just subcultures that went big, and the reason they went big is because the media picked up the story, and ran with it, thus further swelling their ranks.

Far from killing subcultures, the internet allows individuals to connect with the subculture that most suits their tastes, and so part of the reason we're not seeing any super-groups form is because there's so much choice.

As to whether or not virtual participation has less value than fleshy participation, who can say? So long as people are actively taking a role in the culture versus passively consuming something handed to them, there's probably value in it.

What do you think? Are we all just spinning our wheels or what?

ETA: I realized after writing this that I'd forgotten about rave culture (possibly due to going to the damned things). It was kind of a big deal. Probably at least as big as Punk in terms of the way participants embraced a truly counter culture approach towards social interaction - probably largely due to the drugs everybody was taking.

The politics of that culture were radical enough for many governments to work towards its eradication. The British Government went so far as to create legislation specifically to deal with, and contain raves in the passage of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994.

And seeing as the whole rave thing really only died out after the turn of the century, it's not like we've been without a huge scene for as long as this piece implies. (now I'm all steamed up!)

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underground has given way to the 'macroground'

Posted on Oct 25, 2006


I am in your camp.

I don't think internet has not eroded the subculture. If anything it's served as a breeding ground for smaller, more focused sub cultures of the subcultures to congregate and share a much more finely tuned gathering.

You need evidence of this, just think how much more the term geek encompasses today compared to what it did 10 years ago. Same thing for punk…

We've gone micro-macro-culture.


What's funny is, didn't MacLeans issue this month have a story too, about how the internet sucks… its almost like the media venues most affected by the medium of the internet are conceding some defeat and bitching about it as they go down.

posted by tb3

Re: Counter Culture On the Out? Nah... I Don't Think So.

Posted on Oct 26, 2006


Funny. I just saw that MacLeans. I don't know what to make of it. Clearly they don't appreciate pornographic revolution that has taken place.

posted by John

MacLeans is leading edge…

Posted on Oct 26, 2006


Yah I think when MacLeans refers to the internet, they're talking about CBs or something…

How could you ever find fault with the pornternet?

posted by tb3

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