HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA
35th PARLIAMENT, 2nd SESSION
JOURNALS
No. 133
Wednesday, February 19, 1997
2:00 p.m.
PRAYERS
NATIONAL ANTHEM
STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS
Pursuant to Standing Order 31, Members made statements.
ORAL QUESTIONS
Pursuant to Standing Order 30(5), the House proceeded to
Oral Questions.
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Tabling of Documents
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(2), Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary
to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons) laid upon the
Table, -- Government responses, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8), to the
following petitions:
(1) Nos. 352-1192 and 352-1223 concerning the Copyright Act. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-143;
(2) No. 352-1403 concerning international trade. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-144;
(3) Nos. 352-1524 to 352-1528, 352-1529 and 352-1530 concerning
sexual orientation. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-45X;
(4) Nos. 352-1531 to 352-1534 concerning the Criminal Code (common
bawdy-house). -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-145;
(5) No. 352-1535 concerning the nuclear industry. -- Sessional
Paper No. 8545-352-46F.
Presenting Reports from Inter-parliamentary Delegations
Pursuant to Standing Order 34(1), Mr. Maloney (Erie)
presented
the report of the Canadian delegation of the Canada-Japan
Inter-Parliamentary
Group respecting its participation at
the Annual Meeting of the Asia Pacific Parliamentary
Forum
held in Vancouver, British Columbia,
from January 7 to 10, 1997. -- Sessional Paper No. 8565-352-57C.
Presenting Reports from Committees
Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons), from the Standing Committee
on Procedure and House Affairs, presented the 56th Report of the
Committee, which was as follows:
The Committee recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114, the
following change in the membership of the Standing Committee on Industry:
Pierre Brien for Maurice Godin
The Committee also recommends, pursuant to Standing Orders 104 and 114,
that the following Member be added to the list of Associate Members of the
Standing Committee on Industry:
Maurice Godin
The Committee further recommends, that where a Member is appointed as
permanent member to a Committee in accordance with this report and to
which he was previously appointed Associate Member, that the name of the
Member be struck from the list of Associate Members of the said Committee.
A copy of the relevant Minutes of Proceedings (Issue No. 3,
which includes this Report) was tabled.
Introduction of Private Members' Bills
Pursuant to Standing Orders 68(2) and 69(1), on motion of
Mr. Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca), seconded by Ms. Meredith
(Surrey -- White Rock -- South Langley), Bill C-372, An Act to amend
the Criminal Code (protection of child before birth), was
introduced, read the first time, ordered to be printed and
ordered for a second reading at the next sitting of the House.
Motions
By unanimous consent, Mr. Zed (Parliamentary Secretary to
the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons), seconded
by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), moved, -- That the 56th Report
of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs,
presented earlier today, be concurred in.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to.
Presenting Petitions
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, petitions certified correct by the Clerk of
Petitions were presented as follows:
-- by Mr. Leblanc (Longueuil), one concerning the tax on gasoline (No.
352-1765) and
one concerning the highway system (No. 352-1766);
-- by Mrs. Brown (Calgary Southeast), one concerning sex offenders (No.
352-1767);
-- by Mr. Martin (Esquimalt -- Juan de Fuca), two concerning taxes on books
(Nos. 352-1768
and 352-1769), one concerning landmines (No. 352-1770), one concerning the
highway system (No. 352-1771), one concerning the tax on gasoline (No.
352-1772), one
concerning hormone use in livestock (No. 352-1773) and one concerning the
appointment of
justices (No. 352-1774);
-- by Mr. Peric (Cambridge), one concerning abortion (No. 352-1775), one
concerning
euthanasia (No. 352-1776) and one concerning the highway
system (No. 352-1777);
-- by Mr. Harb (Ottawa Centre), one concerning the tax on gasoline (No.
352-1778);
-- by Ms. Meredith (Surrey -- White Rock -- South Langley), one concerning
national unity
(No. 352-1779) and one concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352-1780);
-- by Mr. Grubel (Capilano -- Howe Sound), one concerning the highway system
(No. 352-1781);
-- by Mr. Hermanson (Kindersley -- Lloydminster), two concerning the highway
system (Nos.
352-1782 and 352-1783) and two concerning the tax on gasoline (Nos.
352-1784 and 352-1785);
-- by Mr. Williams (St. Albert), one concerning taxes on books (No. 352-1786);
-- by Mr. Szabo (Mississauga South), one concerning police and
firefighters' death
benefits (No. 352-1787), one concerning the income tax system (No.
352-1788) and one
concerning alcoholic beverages (No. 352-1789).
MOTIONS
By unanimous consent, it was ordered, -- That Bill C-339, An
Act to permit descendants of United Empire Loyalists who fled the
land that later became the United States of America after the
1776 American Revolution to establish a claim to the property
they or their ancestors owned in the United States that was
confiscated without compensation, and claim compensation for it
in the Canadian courts, and to exclude from Canada any foreign
person trafficking in such property, standing on the Order Paper
in the name of Mr. Milliken (Kingston and the Islands) be allowed
to stand in the name of Mrs. Wayne (Saint John).
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin
(Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of
Canada), -- That this House approves in general the budgetary policy
of the Government. (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 15)
The debate continued.
Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe -- Bagot), seconded by Mr.
Pomerleau (Anjou -- Rivière-des-Prairies), moved the following
amendment, -- That the motion be amended by replacing all the
words after the word ``That'' with the following:
``the budget statement by the Minister of Finance be rejected by
the House of Commons because it:
unilaterally maintains major reductions in transfer payments to
the provinces in the fields of postsecondary education, health,
and social assistance, while intruding in areas of exclusive
provincial jurisdiction, particularly by creating the Canada
Foundation for Innovation from money earmarked for the provinces,
introducing a national child tax benefit system, and setting up
pilot projects filled with national unity propaganda in the field
of health and social programs;
proposes no tangible job creation measures, does not
substantially reduce Unemployment Insurance contribution rates,
or improve protection for unemployed persons, which has been
greatly reduced by Employment Insurance;
conceals its lack of action in creating jobs and fighting
poverty, knowingly reducing effectiveness in these areas and
distributing electoral gifts around Canada and Quebec;
does not include an in-depth reform of the tax treatment of
businesses or individuals, for example, by maintaining benefits
for large corporations and rich Canadians; and
introduces no measures to compensate the Quebec government for
the 1991 harmonization of its sales tax with the federal GST,
although Quebec would be eligible for this compensation in light
of the $1 billion being paid to the maritime provinces.''
Debate arose thereon.
ROYAL ASSENT
The Speaker informed the House that the Honourable the
Deputy Governor General will proceed to the Senate today at 5:00
p.m., for the purpose of giving the Royal Assent to certain
Bills.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin
(Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of
Canada), -- That this House approves in general the budgetary policy
of the Government; (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 15)
And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe --
Bagot), seconded by Mr. Pomerleau (Anjou -- Rivière-des-Prairies).
The debate continued.
Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest), seconded by Mr. Solberg
(Medicine Hat), moved the following sub-amendment, -- That the
amendment be amended
(a) by inserting after the words ``health and social assistance,''
the following:
``a measure which is not the answer to stronger sustainable social
programs,'';
(b) by inserting after the words ``proposes no tangible job
creation measures,'' the following:
``such as lower taxes to create long-term jobs,''; and
(c) by inserting after the words ``electoral gifts around Canada
and Quebec'' the following:
``which, among other things, hampers the government's ability to
balance the budget;''.
Debate arose thereon.
ROYAL ASSENT
A Message was received from the Right Honourable Antonio
Lamer, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada, in his
capacity as Deputy Governor General, desiring the immediate
attendance of the House in the Senate.
Accordingly, the Speaker, with the House, proceeded to the
Senate.
The Commons returned to the Chamber.
Whereupon, the Speaker reported that, when the Commons had
been in the Senate, the Honourable the Deputy Governor General
was pleased to give, in Her Majesty's name, the Royal Assent to
the following Bills:
Bill C-41, An Act to amend the Divorce Act, the Family Orders and
Agreements Enforcement Assistance Act, the Garnishment,
Attachment and Pension Diversion Act and the Canada Shipping Act -- Chapter
No. 1;
Bill C-53, An Act to amend the Prisons and Reformatories Act -- Chapter
No. 2;
Bill C-57, An Act to amend the Bell Canada Act -- Chapter No. 3;
Bill C-202, An Act respecting a National Organ Donor Week in
Canada -- Chapter No. 4;
Bill C-270, An Act to amend the Financial Administration Act
(session of Parliament) -- Chapter No. 5.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
The House resumed consideration of the motion of Mr. Martin
(Minister of Finance), seconded by Mr. Gray (Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons and Solicitor General of
Canada), -- That this House approves in general the budgetary policy
of the Government; (Ways and Means Proceedings No. 15)
And of the amendment of Mr. Loubier (Saint-Hyacinthe --
Bagot), seconded by Mr. Pomerleau (Anjou -- Rivière-des-Prairies);
And of the sub-amendment of Mr. Manning (Calgary Southwest),
seconded by M. Solberg (Medicine Hat).
The debate continued.
At 6:30 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House
proceeded to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the
motion of Mr. Goodale (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food),
seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research
and Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), -- That Bill
C-72, An Act to amend the Canadian Wheat Board Act and to make
consequential amendments to other Acts, be referred forthwith to
the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on
the following division:
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Asselin -- Augustine -- Bachand -- Bakopanos -- Barnes
-- Bélanger -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Bergeron
-- Bernier -- (Beauce)
-- Bernier -- (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bertrand
-- Bevilacqua -- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brien
-- Brown -- (Oakville -- Milton) -- Brushett -- Bryden
-- Calder -- Canuel -- Catterall -- Chamberlain
-- Chrétien -- (Frontenac) -- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette
-- Collins -- Comuzzi -- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert
-- Cullen -- de Savoye -- Debien -- DeVillers -- Dhaliwal
-- Dion -- Discepola -- Dubé -- Dumas -- Dupuy -- Easter
-- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Finlay -- Flis
-- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney
-- Gagnon -- (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine)
-- Gagnon -- (Québec) -- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Godin
-- Goodale -- Graham -- Grose -- Guarnieri -- Guimond
-- Harb -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Iftody -- Irwin
-- Jackson -- Jacob -- Keyes -- Kilger -- (Stormont -- Dundas)
-- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Langlois -- Lastewka
-- Laurin -- Lavigne -- (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lebel
-- Leblanc -- (Longueuil) -- Lee -- Leroux -- (Shefford)
-- Loney -- Loubier -- MacAulay -- MacDonald
-- MacLellan -- (Cape/Cap Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi
-- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchand -- Marchi -- Marleau
-- Massé -- McCormick -- McGuire -- McKinnon
-- McLellan -- (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague
-- McWhinney -- Ménard -- Mercier -- Minna -- Mitchell
-- Murphy -- Murray -- Nault -- Nunez
-- O'Brien -- (London -- Middlesex) -- Pagtakhan -- Paradis
-- Paré -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson -- Pettigrew
-- Phinney -- Picard -- (Drummond) -- Pickard -- (Essex -- Kent)
-- Plamondon -- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson
-- Rideout -- Robichaud -- Robillard -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau
-- Scott -- (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury) -- Simmons
-- Steckle -- Stewart -- (Brant) -- Szabo -- Telegdi
-- Torsney -- Tremblay -- (Rimouski -- Témiscouata)
-- Tremblay -- (Rosemont) -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief
-- Verran -- Volpe -- Wappel -- Young -- Zed -- 148
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Abbott -- Axworthy -- (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing)
-- Benoit -- Bhaduria -- Breitkreuz -- (Yorkton -- Melville)
-- Bridgman -- Cummins -- de Jong -- Epp -- Forseth
-- Frazer -- Gouk -- Grey -- (Beaver River) -- Grubel
-- Hanger -- Harper -- (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris
-- Hart -- Hermanson -- Hill -- (Macleod) -- Kerpan
-- Mayfield -- McClelland -- (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest)
-- Penson -- Schmidt -- Solberg -- Speaker -- Stinson
-- Taylor -- Williams -- 30
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian
-- Axworthy -- (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre)
-- Bethel -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault
-- Deshaies -- Duceppe -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Gagliano
-- Gauthier -- Guay -- Hanger -- Lalonde -- Landry
-- Lavigne -- (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lefebvre
-- Leroux -- (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Mifflin -- Peters
-- Robillard -- St. Denis -- Tremblay -- (Lac-Saint-Jean)
-- Venne -- Wells -- Whelan
Accordingly, the Bill was referred to the Standing Committee on Agriculture and
Agri-Food.
Pursuant to Standing Order 45, the House proceeded to the
taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion of Mr.
Irwin (Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development),
seconded by Mr. Gerrard (Secretary of State (Science, Research and
Development)(Western Economic Diversification)), -- That Bill C-79,
An Act to permit certain modifications in the application of the
Indian Act to bands that desire them, be referred forthwith to
the Standing Committee on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern
Development.
The question was put on the motion and it was agreed to on
the following division:
YEAS-POUR
Members--Députés
-- Augustine -- Bakopanos -- Barnes -- Bélanger
-- Bernier -- (Beauce) -- Bertrand -- Bevilacqua
-- Bodnar -- Bonin -- Boudria -- Brown -- (Oakville -- Milton)
-- Brushett -- Bryden -- Calder -- Catterall -- Chamberlain
-- Clancy -- Cohen -- Collenette -- Collins -- Comuzzi
-- Cowling -- Crawford -- Culbert -- Cullen -- DeVillers
-- Dhaliwal -- Dion -- Discepola -- Dupuy -- Easter
-- Eggleton -- English -- Fewchuk -- Finlay -- Flis
-- Fontana -- Fry -- Gaffney
-- Gagnon -- (Bonaventure -- Îles-de-la-Madeleine)
-- Gallaway -- Godfrey -- Graham -- Grose -- Guarnieri
-- Harb -- Harvard -- Hopkins -- Hubbard -- Iftody -- Irwin
-- Jackson -- Keyes -- Kilger -- (Stormont -- Dundas)
-- Kirkby -- Knutson -- Kraft Sloan -- Lastewka
-- Lavigne -- (Verdun -- Saint-Paul) -- Lee -- Loney
-- MacAulay -- MacDonald
-- MacLellan -- (Cape/Cap Breton -- The Sydneys) -- Malhi
-- Maloney -- Manley -- Marchi -- Marleau -- Massé -- McCormick
-- McGuire -- McKinnon
-- McLellan -- (Edmonton Northwest/Nord-Ouest) -- McTeague
-- McWhinney -- Minna -- Mitchell -- Murphy -- Murray
-- Nault -- O'Brien -- (London -- Middlesex) -- Pagtakhan
-- Paradis -- Parrish -- Patry -- Peric -- Peterson
-- Pettigrew -- Phinney -- Pickard -- (Essex -- Kent)
-- Proud -- Reed -- Regan -- Richardson -- Rideout -- Robichaud
-- Robillard -- Scott -- (Fredericton -- York -- Sunbury)
-- Simmons -- Steckle -- Stewart -- (Brant) -- Szabo
-- Telegdi -- Torsney -- Ur -- Valeri -- Vanclief -- Verran
-- Volpe -- Wappel -- Young -- Zed -- 113
NAYS-CONTRE
Members--Députés
-- Abbott -- Asselin -- Axworthy -- (Saskatoon -- Clark's Crossing)
-- Bachand -- Bélisle -- Bellehumeur -- Benoit -- Bergeron
-- Bernier -- (Mégantic -- Compton -- Stanstead) -- Bhaduria
-- Breitkreuz -- (Yorkton -- Melville) -- Bridgman
-- Brien -- Canuel -- Chrétien -- (Frontenac) -- Cummins
-- de Jong -- de Savoye -- Debien -- Dubé -- Dumas -- Epp
-- Forseth -- Frazer -- Gagnon -- (Québec) -- Godin
-- Gouk -- Grey -- (Beaver River) -- Grubel -- Guimond
-- Hanger -- Harper -- (Simcoe Centre) -- Harris
-- Hart -- Hermanson -- Hill -- (Macleod) -- Jacob
-- Kerpan -- Langlois -- Laurin -- Lebel -- Leblanc -- (Longueuil)
-- Leroux -- (Shefford) -- Loubier -- Marchand -- Mayfield
-- McClelland -- (Edmonton Southwest/Sud-Ouest) -- Ménard
-- Mercier -- Nunez -- Paré -- Penson -- Picard -- (Drummond)
-- Plamondon -- Rocheleau -- Sauvageau -- Schmidt -- Solberg
-- Speaker -- Stinson -- Taylor
-- Tremblay -- (Rimouski -- Témiscouata) -- Tremblay -- (Rosemont)
-- Williams -- 64
Paired Members--Députés Pairés
-- Anderson -- Arseneault -- Assadourian
-- Axworthy -- (Winnipeg South Centre/Sud-Centre)
-- Bethel -- Crête -- Cullen -- Dalphond-Guiral -- Daviault
-- Deshaies -- Duceppe -- Fillion -- Finestone -- Gagliano
-- Gauthier -- Guay -- Hanger -- Lalonde -- Landry
-- Lavigne -- (Beauharnois -- Salaberry) -- Lefebvre
-- Leroux -- (Richmond -- Wolfe) -- Mifflin -- Peters
-- Robillard -- St. Denis -- Tremblay -- (Lac-Saint-Jean)
-- Venne -- Wells -- Whelan
Accordingly, the Bill was referred to the Standing Committee
on Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development.
RETURNS AND REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE
Pursuant to Standing Order 32(1), papers deposited with the
Clerk of the House were laid upon the Table as follows:
-- by Mr. Axworthy (Minister of Foreign Affairs) -- Amendment to the Import
Control List,
pursuant to the Export and Import Permits Act, R. S. 1985, c. E-19,
sbs. 5(2). -- Sessional
Paper No. 8560-352-175A.
(Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently referred to the
Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade)
-- by Mr. Martin (Minister of Finance) -- Report of
the Canadian International Trade Tribunal entitled "Request for Tariff
Relief by
Venture III Industries Inc. regarding certain woven fabrics of synthetic
filament yarns", dated
January 31, 1997,
pursuant to the Canada-United States Free Trade Agreement Implementation
Act, S. C. 1988, c. 65, s. 54. -- Sessional Paper No. 8560-352-572AA.
(Pursuant to Standing Order 32(5), permanently
referred to the Standing Committee on Finance)
PETITIONS FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE
Pursuant to Standing Order 36, a petition certified correct
by the Clerk of Petitions was filed as follows:
-- by Mr. Charest (Sherbrooke), concerning the tax on gasoline (No. 352-1790).
PROCEEDINGS ON ADJOURNMENT MOTION
At 7:00 p.m., pursuant to Standing Order 38(1), the question
"That this House do now adjourn" was deemed to have been
proposed.
After debate, the question was deemed to have been adopted.
ADJOURNMENT
At 7:15 p.m., the Speaker adjourned the House until tomorrow
at 10:00 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).
CORRIGENDUM
(Journals No. 132 of Tuesday, February 18, 1997)
At page 1145, under ``Government Orders'', the Sessional Paper
No. 8570-352-16 should read Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-15.
At page 1145, under ``Government Orders'', the Sessional Paper
No. 8570-352-17 should read Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-16.
At page 1145, under ``Government Orders'', the Sessional Paper
No. 8570-352-18 should read Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-17.
At page 1146, under ``Government Orders'', the Sessional Paper
No. 8570-352-19 should read Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-18.
At page 1146, under ``Government Orders'', the Sessional Paper
No. 8570-352-19A should read Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-18A.
At page 1146, under ``Government Orders'', the Sessional Paper
No. 8570-352-19B should read Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-18B.
At page 1146, under ``Government Orders'', the Sessional Paper
No. 8570-352-20 should read Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-19.
At page 1146, under ``Government Orders'', the Sessional Paper
No. 8570-352-21 should read Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-20.
At page 1146, under ``Government Orders'', the Sessional Paper
No. 8570-352-22 should read Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-21.
At page 1146, under ``Government Orders'', the Sessional Paper
No. 8570-352-23 should read Sessional Paper No. 8570-352-22.