36th Parliament, 2nd Session
EDITED HANSARD • NUMBER 7
CONTENTS
Wednesday, October 20, 1999
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| STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS
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| OKTOBERFEST WOMEN OF THE YEAR AWARDS
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| Mrs. Karen Redman |
| CANADIAN FARMERS
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| Mr. Charlie Penson |
| NUNAVUT LEGISLATURE
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| Mrs. Nancy Karetak-Lindell |
| COUNTY OF OXFORD INTEGRATED NETWORK
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| Mr. John Finlay |
| NUCLEAR TEST BAN TREATY
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| Mr. David Pratt |
| VIMY RIDGE
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| Mr. Peter Goldring |
| YWCA WEEK WITHOUT VIOLENCE
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| Ms. Raymonde Folco |
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| RAIL TRANSPORTATION
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| Mr. Jean-Guy Chrétien |
| YWCA WEEK WITHOUT VIOLENCE
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| Mrs. Marlene Jennings |
| CANADIAN FARMERS
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| Mr. Gerry Ritz |
| DU VALLON SCHOOL
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| Mr. Mark Assad |
| NATIONAL CO-OP WEEK
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| Mr. John Solomon |
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| NATIONAL CO-OP WEEK
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| Mr. Rick Borotsik |
| QUEBEC MINISTER OF FINANCE
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| Mr. Nick Discepola |
| BREAST CANCER
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| Mrs. Suzanne Tremblay |
| THE LATE ALLAN LEAL
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| Mr. Ted McWhinney |
| BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH
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| Mr. John Herron |
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| ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
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| PAY EQUITY
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| Mr. Preston Manning |
| Right Hon. Jean Chrétien |
| Mr. Preston Manning |
| Right Hon. Jean Chrétien |
| Mr. Preston Manning |
| Right Hon. Jean Chrétien |
| Mr. Philip Mayfield |
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Mr. Philip Mayfield |
| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| AUDIOVISUAL PRODUCTIONS
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| Mr. Gilles Duceppe |
| Hon. Sheila Copps |
| Mr. Gilles Duceppe |
| Hon. Sheila Copps |
| Mr. Stéphane Bergeron |
| Hon. Sheila Copps |
| Mr. Stéphane Bergeron |
| Hon. Sheila Copps |
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| PAY EQUITY
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| Ms. Alexa McDonough |
| Right Hon. Jean Chrétien |
| Ms. Alexa McDonough |
| Right Hon. Jean Chrétien |
| COMPETITION BUREAU
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| Mr. Bill Casey |
| Hon. David M. Collenette |
| Mr. Bill Casey |
| Hon. John Manley |
| PAY EQUITY
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| Mr. Monte Solberg |
| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
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| Mr. Monte Solberg |
| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Ms. Caroline St-Hilaire |
| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Ms. Caroline St-Hilaire |
| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| IMMIGRATION
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| Mr. Leon E. Benoit |
| Ms. Elinor Caplan |
| Mr. Leon E. Benoit |
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| Ms. Elinor Caplan |
| AIR TRANSPORTATION
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| Hon. David M. Collenette |
| Hon. David M. Collenette |
| IMMIGRATION
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| Miss Deborah Grey |
| Ms. Elinor Caplan |
| Miss Deborah Grey |
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| Ms. Elinor Caplan |
| FISHERIES
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| Mr. Yvan Bernier |
| Hon. Harbance Singh Dhaliwal |
| CULTURE
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| Mr. Bill Graham |
| Hon. Sheila Copps |
| NATIONAL DEFENCE
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| Mr. Jim Hart |
| Hon. Arthur C. Eggleton |
| Mr. Jim Hart |
| Hon. Arthur C. Eggleton |
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| ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE
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| Mr. Nelson Riis |
| Hon. Lawrence MacAulay |
| Mr. Nelson Riis |
| Hon. Lawrence MacAulay |
| AIR TRANSPORTATION
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| Mr. André Bachand |
| Hon. John Manley |
| Mr. André Bachand |
| Hon. John Manley |
| PENSIONS
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| Mr. Gurbax Singh Malhi |
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| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS
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| Mr. John Cummins |
| Hon. Harbance Singh Dhaliwal |
| ORGANIZED CRIME
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| Mrs. Pierrette Venne |
| Hon. Lawrence MacAulay |
| AIRLINE INDUSTRY
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| Mr. Jim Jones |
| Hon. John Manley |
| INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
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| Mr. Mac Harb |
| Mr. Eugène Bellemare |
| DEVCO
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| Mrs. Michelle Dockrill |
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| Hon. Ralph E. Goodale |
| ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS
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| Mr. John Cummins |
| Hon. Ralph E. Goodale |
| GENETICALLY ALTERED FOODS
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| Ms. Hélène Alarie |
| Hon. Lyle Vanclief |
| PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES
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| Ms. Wendy Lill |
| Hon. Don Boudria |
| AIRLINE INDUSTRY
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| Mr. Jim Jones |
| Hon. David M. Collenette |
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| YOUTH EMPLOYMENT
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| Mr. Steve Mahoney |
| Hon. Ethel Blondin-Andrew |
| PRESENCE IN GALLERY
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| The Speaker |
| POINTS OF ORDER
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| Question Period
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| Mr. Bill Blaikie |
| The Speaker |
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| ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
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| GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO PETITIONS
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| Mr. Derek Lee |
| INTERPARLIAMENTARY DELEGATIONS
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| Mr. Joe Comuzzi |
| Mr. Paul Szabo |
| Mr. Paul Szabo |
| MARINE CONSERVATION AREAS ACT
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| Bill C-8. Introduction and first reading
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| Hon. Sheila Copps |
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| NATIONAL AGRICULTURE INDUSTRY RELIEF CO-ORDINATION ACT
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| Bill C-252. Introduction and first reading
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| Mr. Rick Borotsik |
| YOUNG OFFENDERS ACT
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| Bill C-253. Introduction and first reading
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| Mr. Jack Ramsay |
| CRIMINAL CODE
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| Bill C-254. Introduction and first reading
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| Mr. Myron Thompson |
| CRIMINAL CODE
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| Bill C-255. Introduction and first reading
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| Mr. Myron Thompson |
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| EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE ACT
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| Bill C-256. Introduction and first reading
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| Mrs. Christiane Gagnon |
| LOUIS RIEL ACT
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| Bill C-257. Introduction and first reading
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| Mrs. Marlene Jennings |
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| AUTOMOTIVE POLLUTION REDUCTION ACT
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| Bill C-258. Introduction and first reading
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| Mr. Clifford Lincoln |
| PETITIONS
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| The Environment
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| Mrs. Rose-Marie Ur |
| The Senate
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| Hon. Lorne Nystrom |
| The Constitution
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| Mr. John Duncan |
| Abolition of Nuclear Weapons
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| Mr. Ted McWhinney |
| World Health Organization
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| Mr. Ted McWhinney |
| Agriculture
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| Mr. Rick Borotsik |
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| Canadian Wheat Board
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| Mr. Rick Borotsik |
| The Constitution
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| Mrs. Brenda Chamberlain |
| The Senate
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| Mr. John Solomon |
| Income Tax Act
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| Mr. John Maloney |
| The Constitution
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| Mr. Grant McNally |
| The Senate
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| Mr. Nelson Riis |
| Canada Pension Plan
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| Mr. Gurbax Singh Malhi |
| The Senate
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| Ms. Wendy Lill |
| Justice
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| Mr. Darrel Stinson |
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| Bill C-309
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| Mr. Darrel Stinson |
| QUESTIONS ON THE ORDER PAPER
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| Mr. Derek Lee |
| MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
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| Mr. Derek Lee |
| GOVERNMENT ORDERS
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| PERSONAL INFORMATION PROTECTION AND ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS
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| Bill C-6—Time Allocation Motion
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| Hon. Don Boudria |
| Motion
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(Division 6)
| Motion agreed to
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| Report Stage
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| Mr. Pierre de Savoye |
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| Mrs. Marlene Jennings |
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| Mr. Odina Desrochers |
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| Division on Motion No. 1 Deferred
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| Division on Motions in Group No. 1 Deferred
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| Mr. Pierre Brien |
| Motion No. 3
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| Mr. John Bryden |
| Motion No. 4
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| Mr. Pierre Brien |
| Motions Nos. 6 and 7
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| Hon. John Manley |
| Motion No. 8
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| Mr. Charlie Penson |
| Motion No. 11
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| Mr. Pierre Brien |
| Motion No. 12
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| Hon. John Manley |
| Motion No. 13
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| Mr. Charlie Penson |
| Motion No. 14
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| Hon. John Manley |
| Motions Nos. 15, 16 and 17
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| Mr. Charlie Penson |
| Motions Nos. 18 and 19
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| Hon. John Manley |
| Motion No. 20
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| Mr. Charlie Penson |
| Motions Nos. 21 and 22
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| Mr. Pierre Brien |
| Motion No. 23
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| Mr. Charlie Penson |
| Motion No. 24
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| Mr. Pierre Brien |
| Motion No. 25
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| Hon. John Manley |
| Motion No. 26
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| Mr. Pierre Brien |
| Motion No. 34
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| Hon. John Manley |
| Motion No. 35
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| Mr. Pierre Brien |
| Motion No. 44
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| Hon. John Manley |
| Motion No. 45
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| Mr. Pierre Brien |
| Motions Nos. 46, 50 and 51
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| Mr. John Cannis |
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| Mr. Charlie Penson |
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| Mr. John Bryden |
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| Mr. Nelson Riis |
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| Mr. Jim Jones |
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| Ms. Susan Whelan |
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| Mr. Pierre de Savoye |
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| Mr. Rahim Jaffer |
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| Division on motions in Group No. 2 Deferred
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| Mr. Pierre Brien |
| Motion No. 52
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| Hon. John Manley |
| Motion No. 53
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| Mr. Pierre Brien |
| Motions Nos. 54 and 55
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| Hon. John Manley |
| Motion No. 56
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| Mr. Pierre Brien |
| Motions Nos. 58 and 98
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| Mr. Jim Jones |
| Motion No. 99
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| (Divisions on motions in Group No. 3 deemed deferred)
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(Division 7)
| Motion No. 1 negatived
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(Division 11)
| Motion No. 7 negatived
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(Division 38)
| Motion No. 55 negatived
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(Division 40)
| Motion No. 58 negatived
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(Division 41)
| Motion No. 98 negatived
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(Division 12)
| Motion No. 8 agreed to
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(Division 15)
| Motion No. 13 agreed to
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(Division 19)
| Motion No. 16 agreed to
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(Division 20)
| Motion No. 17 agreed to
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(Division 23)
| Motion No. 20 agreed to
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(Division 28)
| Motion No. 26 agreed to
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(Division 30)
| Motion No. 35 agreed to
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(Division 39)
| Motion No. 56 agreed to
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(Division 8)
| Motion No. 3 negatived
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(Division 10)
| Motion No. 6 negatived
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(Division 14)
| Motion No. 12 negatived
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(Division 25)
| Motion No. 23 negatived
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(Division 27)
| Motion No. 25 negatived
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(Division 29)
| Motion No. 34 negatived
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(Division 31)
| Motion No 44 negatived
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(Division 33)
| Motion No. 46 negatived
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(Division 34)
| Motion No. 50 negatived
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(Division 36)
| Motion No. 52 negatived
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(Division 9)
| Motion No. 4 agreed to
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(Division 13)
| Motion No. 11 negatived
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(Division 21)
| Motion No. 18 negatived
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(Division 22)
| Motion No. 19 negatived
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(Division 17)
| Motion No. 21 negatived
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(Division 16)
| Motion No. 14 negatived
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(Division 24)
| Motion No. 22 negatived
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(Division 26)
| Motion No. 24 negatived
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(Division 42)
| Motion No. 99 negatived
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(Division 18)
| Motion No. 15 agreed to
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(Division 32)
| Motion No. 45 agreed to
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(Division 35)
| Motion No. 51 negatived
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(Division 37)
| Motion No. 53 agreed to
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| Motion for concurrence
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| Hon. John Manley |
(Division 43)
| Motion agreed to
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| ADJOURNMENT PROCEEDINGS
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| Fisheries
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| Mr. Peter Stoffer |
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| Mr. David Iftody |
(Official Version)
EDITED HANSARD • NUMBER 7
HOUSE OF COMMONS
Wednesday, October 20, 1999
The House met at 2 p.m.
Prayers
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The Speaker: As is our practice on Wednesday we will now
sing O Canada, and we will be led by the hon. member for
Nanaimo—Cowichan.
[Editor's Note: Members sang the national anthem]
STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS
[English]
OKTOBERFEST WOMEN OF THE YEAR AWARDS
Mrs. Karen Redman (Kitchener Centre, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
I am pleased to rise today to acknowledge and congratulate 10
outstanding women from the Waterloo region who were honoured in
this past year's Oktoberfest Women of the Year Awards.
On October 18 we celebrated the 70th anniversary of the Persons
case, which allowed Canadian women to be members of the Senate.
On the eve of the next millennium, women across the country are
ready, willing and prepared to ensure this nation's success far
into the 21st century.
It is women such as the ones who were honoured last Thursday in
Kitchener who make a difference, who add to the strength and
vibrancy of Canada as a nation.
I acknowledge these women by name and category: Hilde English,
professional; Corry Den Duyf, senior; Arleen MacPherson,
humanitarian; Aneita Brown, homemaker; Catherine Schwark,
employee; Gita Morar, community volunteer; Helen Jowett,
entrepeneur; Yvonne Tousek, fitness and sport; and Cheryl
Muranko, young adult. I congratulate these women.
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CANADIAN FARMERS
Mr. Charlie Penson (Peace River, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, in
September I held several meetings in my riding of Peace River.
The majority of those attending were farmers who are extremely
concerned about what is happening to their industry.
They told me of how they were proud to have chosen the noble
task of providing food for Canadians and for people from other
countries in the world.
They told me of the devastation caused by 20 years of stagnation
in farm income and the devastation caused by escalating input
costs.
They asked if anyone in Canada cares if they survive or if they
must accept the fate of bankruptcy and retraining for some other
job at the age of 60.
They are afraid that governments are not concerned about their
fate or the fate of the entire sector of agriculture.
Is that what this once great country of Canada has come to,
capitulating to the European Union and the United States and
abandoning our once proud farmers?
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NUNAVUT LEGISLATURE
Mrs. Nancy Karetak-Lindell (Nunavut, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
yesterday I had the honour of attending the opening ceremonies of
the Nunavut legislature in Iqaluit and addressing the members of
the legislature.
The importance of this day was recognized by many provincial
governments from coast to coast, as well as the NWT and the
Yukon, who had representatives attend the official opening of the
Nunavut legislative assembly.
As the members of the legislative assembly start their third
session they are happy to be in the newly completed legislative
assembly chamber which reflects many aspects of the unique
culture of Nunavut, including the seal skin seats in the chamber.
The members of the Nunavut legislature have exciting times
ahead, facing important issues and challenges on behalf of their
electorate.
I know my colleagues here will join with me in wishing the
Nunavut legislature every success.
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COUNTY OF OXFORD INTEGRATED NETWORK
Mr. John Finlay (Oxford, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, on Monday
evening I attended industry's seventh annual salute to excellence
in the management of information and technology in the public
sector.
I was there to support representatives of the County of Oxford
Integrated Network, known as COIN, which was nominated for an
award.
To my great delight, COIN was awarded the gold medal in the
building partnerships and alliances category. This award
recognizes COIN's efforts on behalf of its partners within Oxford
County to provide services to our citizens through technological
advances.
In winning, COIN was selected over nominees from the RCMP, HRDC,
the National Research Council and other federal departments. I
congratulate all of those involved in COIN, especially Oxford
County Warden Mark Harrison, County Librarian Sam Coghlan, COIN
Manager John Moore, and Oxford's HRDC Manager Ed St. Gelais I
applaud them all on a job well done.
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NUCLEAR TEST BAN TREATY
Mr. David Pratt (Nepean—Carleton, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
there has been a global outpouring of concern and disappointment
regarding the American Senate's rejection of the comprehensive
test ban treaty on nuclear weapons.
The abandonment of American leadership on the issue of nuclear
non-proliferation is a distressing development in the already
challenging struggle to achieve a universal commitment to
non-proliferation.
The American Senate's abdication of its crucial global
leadership role undermines international efforts to persuade
Russia, China and other nuclear powers to ratify the treaty. The
disappointment which has been expressed by America's allies and
rivals alike is a testament to the importance of the leadership
role which the United States must take on this issue.
International support for this treaty remains strong. As
Canadians, our efforts must be concentrated on encouraging the
eventual adoption of the treaty by the United States. We must
also convince our American neighbours that international peace
and security are not served by a new form of U.S. isolationism.
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VIMY RIDGE
Mr. Peter Goldring (Edmonton East, Ref.): Mr. Speaker,
while the sky rained shells and brave men died, 100,000 Canadians
moved forth in a hell of inhumanity, testing their mettle and
mortality of soul.
They advanced on unconquerable Vimy Ridge. On that same ridge
tens of thousands had died before in vain British and French
assaults. The goal—now Canada's turn.
Canada's finest young men won the contest that day, a victory
for all the world to see. The greatest victory of World War I,
Vimy Ridge, would enter Canadian history on April 12, 1917. Many
would say that Canada took birth that day, born into the world of
nations with respect, born by the blood of our young, born
through their determination and skill. The spirit lives on to
this day. It lives on in the name and scholastic pursuits of
l'Académie Vimy Ridge in Edmonton.
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[Translation]
YWCA WEEK WITHOUT VIOLENCE
Ms. Raymonde Folco (Laval West, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, from October
17 to 23, the Young Women's Christian Association is celebrating
the YWCA Week Without Violence
Despite all the progress that has been made and all the battles
that have been won by women in the last one hundred years, we
are still finishing this century on an ambiguous note.
The statistics are very eloquent: one girl in five abused by a
boyfriend, one woman in three a victim of spousal violence at
least once in her lifetime. A lot still needs to be done.
In light of these statistics, which are unworthy of the next
century, I call upon the hon. members of this House to reaffirm
their disapproval of this situation. I call upon them to
support the organizations in their ridings that are involved in
fighting these crimes, such as shelters for battered women.
This behaviour will become unacceptable to society only when it
is universally condemned.
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RAIL TRANSPORTATION
Mr. Jean-Guy Chrétien (Frontenac—Mégantic, BQ): Mr. Speaker, last
Monday in Thetford Mines there was a demonstration by several
hundred people from Thetford Mines and Beauce in support of
restoration of Québec Central train service between Lévis and
Sherbrooke, via Beauce.
Almost all the economic and political stakeholders in our region
support this project. Many jobs depend on it. If the branch
line is restored, Prolab promises an investment of $48 million,
which would create 75 direct jobs in our area.
Yet on two occasions the federal government has refused to
support putting this line back in service.
The government must stop turning a deaf ear, and must provide
financial support for restoration of the Québec Central train.
I invite it to lend an ear to this heartfelt cry from the people
of this area, and those representing them.
What is the Secretary of State responsible for the Economic
Development Agency of Canada for the Regions of Quebec waiting
for before he acts?
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YWCA WEEK WITHOUT VIOLENCE
Mrs. Marlene Jennings (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, the week of October 17 to 23 has been selected as the
fourth annual YWCA Week Without Violence.
This violence free week challenges all Canadians to come up with
solutions to control violence in their community. Thanks to the
ongoing support of Clarica—formerly the Mutual Group—the YWCA Week
Without Violence will reach tens of thousands of Canadians.
[English]
Violence of one sort or another has affected every one of us, or
at least someone we know. Violence is found everywhere: in our
homes, in our schools, at work and at play. The YWCA Week
Without Violence has become an international initiative organized
by more than 30 countries worldwide, including Canada.
I wholeheartedly support this initiative and I urge all members
of the House, indeed all Canadians, to do their part in stemming
the flow of—
The Speaker: The hon. member for
Battlefords—Lloydminster.
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CANADIAN FARMERS
Mr. Gerry Ritz (Battlefords—Lloydminster, Ref.): The
Liberal government has the dubious reputation of throwing
taxpayers' money at a problem. What happens if that money misses
the target?
The agriculture minister continues to stand in the House and say
that farmers are saved by his disastrous AIDA program. What he
fails to mention is that fully three-quarters of Saskatchewan
farmers, the ones most in need, have not qualified for any money.
In Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar the Reform candidate, Jim
McAllister, who will soon be joining us here, has raised the
issue of escalating farm foreclosures.
The sad reality is that over 1,000 Saskatchewan farmers are
faced with losing their land base over the next year. What is
the minister's response? His best advice to farmers in peril is
to quit and look to the government to retrain them. There is a
growing consensus among Saskatchewan farmers that they would best
be served by the minister if he followed his own advice and
resigned today.
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[Translation]
DU VALLON SCHOOL
Mr. Mark Assad (Gatineau, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, in Gatineau, a
group of parent volunteers and the staff of the Du Vallon school
have come up with a plan to make the schoolyard more natural.
The school is asking for $15 from each parent sponsoring a tree
to cover the cost of its planting. On Saturday, Oct. 16,
teachers, students and parents from the school spent the day
planting trees—a total of 120 new trees and bushes—in the
schoolyard.
I would like to pay tribute to the work done by students,
parents and staff of the Du Vallon school in the hopes that this
sort of project may be repeated in other schools in Quebec and
in Canada.
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[English]
NATIONAL CO-OP WEEK
Mr. John Solomon (Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, NDP): Mr.
Speaker, this is National Co-op Week and, as the NDP spokesperson
for co-operatives and credit unions, it is my pleasure to
congratulate them on their successes over the past year.
Marketing, economic and consumer co-operatives have always
played a vital role in our economy. Rochdale Boulevard, where my
riding office is located, is named after the founders of the
co-op movement in North America, the Rochdale pioneers, whose
principles were first developed in 1844.
In this globalized economy we now live in, co-ops and credit
unions give individuals and communities the opportunity to take
control of their own lives and their own futures. With assets of
over $167 billion, 15 million members and 151,000 employees,
co-ops make a significant contribution to our national economy,
but they can do more.
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For example, as the supply of affordable housing is
disappearing, thanks to the Liberals, and homelessness is
reaching epidemic levels we should be looking to co-op housing as
part of the solution. The federal government should make it its
co-op week project to restore funding to co-op housing.
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NATIONAL CO-OP WEEK
Mr. Rick Borotsik (Brandon—Souris, PC): Mr. Speaker, I
rise today to pay tribute to National Co-op Week, which is being
held between October 17 and 23, and to recognize the important
economic and social role co-operatives and credit unions play in
many communities in Canada.
I would like to be parochial for a moment and particularly pay
tribute to co-operatives in Manitoba, such as Credit Union
Central of Manitoba, Federal Co-operatives Ltd. and Agricore.
Agricultural co-operatives play a major role in Canadian
economy: in grains, oilseeds, dairy, poultry and eggs,
livestock, fruits and vegetables.
[Translation]
Co-operatives are the grouping of people around a shared
objective and operate not for profit but for the economic
benefit of their members. They promote initiatives from the
grassroots rather than from governments.
[English]
Whether it is in agriculture, financial services, insurance or
housing, co-operatives are growing, adapting and changing to help
shape a better world for all of us.
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[Translation]
QUEBEC MINISTER OF FINANCE
Mr. Nick Discepola (Vaudreuil—Soulanges, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the
separatists obviously keep shooting themselves in the foot these
days.
This morning, we learned that the Quebec Minister of Finance now
feels that outright independence is old fashioned. He just
discovered that the Parti Quebecois' option is outdated. This is
some discovery.
That same finance minister served under Jacques Parizeau,
someone who pulled no punches when stating that Quebec's
separation from the rest of Canada was something necessary.
Bernard Landry also tried to downplay the polls indicating that
separatism is on the wane.
In light of these developments, sovereignists should quickly
hold another convention to find out if everyone is aiming in the
same direction.
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BREAST CANCER
Mrs. Suzanne Tremblay (Rimouski—Mitis, BQ): Mr. Speaker, today,
Les Voix du Ruban rose are celebrating breast cancer day in
Canada.
This non-profit organization is run exclusively by volunteers,
which reduces management costs to a minimum and makes it
possible to allocate most of the money collected to fighting
breast cancer.
Les Voix du Ruban rose delegates the responsibility of
distributing research funds to a group of people dedicated to
that cause, several of whom know the disease not only from a
professional standpoint, but also from direct or indirect
personal experience.
The organization Les Voix du Ruban rose is well aware that
breast cancer does not discriminate and can strike anyone.
It is with unwavering determination that it is moving forward
and pursuing its efforts to gradually eliminate this form of
cancer. The organization provides vital support and comfort, as
well as a voice to all the women who have to fight that disease.
Let us give generously during its fundraising campaign.
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[English]
THE LATE ALLAN LEAL
Mr. Ted McWhinney (Vancouver Quadra, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
Allan Leal, who died in Toronto on October 12, 1999, had a
distinguished career as a legal educator and civil servant. He
had been named as a Rhodes scholar but because of military
service never took up the appointment. He took his legal
education at the Osgoode Hall Law School after the war, with a
later degree from Harvard Law School. He was then Dean of
Osgoode Hall and subsequently Chair of the Ontario Law Reform
Commission and Deputy Attorney General of Ontario.
His deanship at Osgoode Hall came during the public controversy
over the role of the legal profession in legal education. As the
dispute came to a head, he proposed a union of the Osgoode Hall
and University of Toronto law schools.
This was not to be. Instead, there emerged two separate
university law schools with their own distinctive personalities
and philosophies of legal education. The intellectual legal
differences between the two schools have done much to shape
Canadian jurisprudence today.
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BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH
Mr. John Herron (Fundy—Royal, PC): Mr. Speaker, October
is Breast Cancer Awareness Month. Today breast cancer is the
most common cancer diagnosed in Canadian women.
Directly or indirectly, breast cancer affects us all. We all
have a mother, a sister, an aunt, a daughter or a friend who has
been struck by this devastating disease.
Nonetheless, we must recognize that much progress has been made
in combating this disease and that more and more women are
breast cancer survivors.
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I urge all members of the House to wear their pink ribbons in
support of the thousands of Canadian families affected by breast
cancer.
ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
[English]
PAY EQUITY
Mr. Preston Manning (Leader of the Opposition, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, in 1978 the Trudeau government adopted the flawed
concept of basing pay for civil servants on arbitrary assignments
of value by bureaucrats and politicians. It misnamed it pay
equity. Now the courts have said that the government has to pay
$5 billion to correct the shoddy application of this flawed
concept, and it is the taxpayers who are on the hook for the $5
billion.
I ask the Prime Minister where the equity and fairness are in
that?
Right Hon. Jean Chrétien (Prime Minister, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, this has now been debated in many courts. The judgment
rendered yesterday will be studied by the Department of Justice.
After a review of the judgment, the government will make a
decision when it knows all the possibilities. Equal pay for
equal work is a concept we accept. I am very pleased to note that
Reform is opposed to it.
Mr. Preston Manning (Leader of the Opposition, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, we support the concept of equal pay for equal work but
not the assignment of arbitrary values by politicians and
bureaucrats.
The reality of all of this is that instead of millions of
Canadian workers getting a pay increase this year because of a
tax cut, these workers can now kiss that pay increase goodbye
because of a $5 billion bungle by the government.
Why should millions of workers forgo a pay increase to pay for a
$5 billion bungle by the government?
Right Hon. Jean Chrétien (Prime Minister, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, the commitment made by the Minister of Finance on tax
cuts is still there. We have already started with tax cuts and
we will keep cutting taxes but we have a problem that must be
dealt with. We will decide how to do it, and when, but the
commitment to reduce taxes is a commitment we intend to keep.
Mr. Preston Manning (Leader of the Opposition, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, just to be clear, is the Prime Minister then saying that
the government will make this $5 billion payment to correct this
bungling and give all the tax relief it was going to give in the
first place?
Right Hon. Jean Chrétien (Prime Minister, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, the leader of the Reform Party should know that we have
been very responsible in administrating the affairs of the
nation. We managed to balance the books faster than we
predicted.
Sometimes we have expenditures that are not forecast, but we
have still managed to balance the books, have new programs and
make tax cuts, as we said we would do in our political program
for the 1997 election when the Leader of the Opposition was
elected as well.
Mr. Philip Mayfield (Cariboo—Chilcotin, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, the Reform Party supports equal pay for equal work and
so does the majority of Canadians. However, it is the
government's failure to clearly define what equal value means
that leaves taxpayers on the hook for billions of dollars.
My question is for the President of the Treasury Board. Why is
each taxpayer stuck with a $343 bill to pay for the government's
bungling?
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Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
the concept of equal pay for work of equal value is a human right
that the Reform Party members do not know. It is a social
concept that they do not accept. We accept that concept and will
carefully look at the judgment to respect the principle of that
concept.
Mr. Philip Mayfield (Cariboo—Chilcotin, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, the Liberal government says it supports the principle of
pay equity. It was a Liberal government which wrote the law. It
was this Prime Minister who promised to pay on the basis of
equity. It was this government that failed taxpayers by refusing
to define the meaning of equal value.
My question is again for the President of the Treasury Board.
Will she table new legislation to clearly define the meaning of
equal value before the government is challenged again on its
fuzzy thinking?
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
our first step is to look at the judgment that we will receive
from the federal court. We have to study it because the impact
of it on our public service is really important. Let us look at
the judgment. We will make a decision about it and then look to
the future.
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[Translation]
AUDIOVISUAL PRODUCTIONS
Mr. Gilles Duceppe (Laurier—Sainte-Marie, BQ): Mr. Speaker, the
RCMP investigation between 1995 and 1997 into the government's
film subsidy programs contained allegations to the effect that
there were serious shortcomings in the way the programs were
run. The attorney general refused to lay any charges.
Was the Minister of Canadian Heritage aware of the very serious
allegations contained in the investigation report?
Hon. Sheila Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, the allegations I know of are the ones that Bloc
Quebecois members have repeated three times now. That is
precisely why I have called for an RCMP investigation.
If the member has information other than allegations, I urge him
to contact the RCMP.
Mr. Gilles Duceppe (Laurier—Sainte-Marie, BQ): Mr. Speaker, it is
a bit surprising that the minister is suggesting that she did
not know about the results of the investigation conducted
between 1995 and 1997. The attorney general did. Would he not
have spoken about them to the minister immediately concerned?
We shall take the minister's word.
Now that she knows about the allegations raised by the Bloc
Quebecois—and it is a good thing that we did raise them—has she
ordered Telefilm Canada to clean up the administration of
funding for audiovisual works?
Hon. Sheila Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, for three days now, Bloc Quebecois members have been
making allegations. I repeat: if they have any information to
share, they should get in touch with the RCMP. In case they do
not have the RCMP's telephone number, I have it here. It is
993-7267. I invite them to make the call.
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron (Verchères—Les-Patriotes, BQ): Mr. Speaker,
yesterday, in the latest episode of the series “In the Kingdom
of the Cronies”, the minister stated that an investigation was
necessary and that was why she had asked the RCMP to become
involved in this new investigation.
What explanation does the Minister of Canadian Heritage have,
since the attorney general considered there was no reason to lay
charges in 1997, for the fact that she now finds every reason to
justify a second investigation into the same matter, and what
has led to the government to change its position now?
Hon. Sheila Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, if I remember rightly, last week the member from the
Bloc Quebecois made allegations, and it is as the result of
these allegations that I asked to the RCMP to investigate.
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron (Verchères—Les-Patriotes, BQ): Mr. Speaker,
the minister's red herrings are very revealing.
Did the decision by the attorney general not to act on the
investigation in 1997, a decision that was given a month before
have the general elections were called, not suit her government
to a T?
Hon. Sheila Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, very serious allegations are still being made. I
invite the member, if he has allegations or information, to pass
this information directly on to the RCMP, which is doing an
investigation because of these allegations.
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[English]
PAY EQUITY
Ms. Alexa McDonough (Halifax, NDP): Mr. Speaker, on
Monday the government celebrated Person's Day to honour the long
struggle for women's equality. On Tuesday the courts condemned
the government for denying women's equality by denying pay
equity.
The government has a choice, to honour the Prime Minister's
commitment to pay equity or to continue to deny women equal
treatment. Which is it going to be?
Right Hon. Jean Chrétien (Prime Minister, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, we have recognized the principles so much that we have
already negotiated and offered big money to the union. The
problem is that there is no agreement on the amount of
money that should be paid.
The previous president of the treasury board offered a
substantial amount of money but the union rejected it. The court
has now made a judgment which, as I just said, the government
recognizes in principle. What we need to know is how much money
has to be paid? A course of action will be determined after we
have studied the judgment.
Ms. Alexa McDonough (Halifax, NDP): Mr. Speaker, the
Prime Minister insists that the government needs more time to
study the judgment. Maybe it needs speed reading courses because
Judge Evans' decision is crystal clear. He said, “This matter
has dragged on for far too long and at far too great a cost for
all concerned”.
For the good of civil servants, taxpayers and all working women,
when is the government going to keep its commitment and settle
the pay equity issue?
Right Hon. Jean Chrétien (Prime Minister, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, as I said, we have already tried to settle that but
there was no agreement on the amount of money, not on the
principle that compensation should be paid; otherwise the
government would have made no offer at all.
After we have a chance to study the judgment, we will be in a
position to appreciate what our real obligations are and how to
implement the judgment if we decide not to appeal it.
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COMPETITION BUREAU
Mr. Bill Casey (Cumberland—Colchester, PC): Mr. Speaker,
I have a nice simple question for the Minister of Transport.
In order to protect all consumers, will all the proposals for
the restructuring of the aviation industry be required to go
through the Competition Bureau merger review process?
Hon. David M. Collenette (Minister of Transport, Lib.):
Mr. Speaker, all of the proposals that have come forward are
applicable to section 47 of the Canada Transportation Act. The
Competition Bureau certainly has a role. It will be issuing its
report within a matter of days. The report will be made public
and will help guide the hon. member and everyone else on this
important issue.
Mr. Bill Casey (Cumberland—Colchester, PC): Mr.
Speaker, I need a little clarification from the Minister of
Industry responsible for the Competition Bureau.
Yesterday, the Minister of Transport said that the Competition
Bureau does not deal with levels of service and price gouging,
but the minister's website regarding the Competition Bureau
states exactly the opposite and in fact deals with these issues
when there is a merger involved.
Would the Minister of Industry clarify that? Is the website
information right or is the Minister of Transport right?
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.): Obviously,
Mr. Speaker, the role of the Competition Bureau is to ensure that
the Canadian economy retains, as much as possible, a competitive
nature. That is in fact the best way of ensuring that prices
remain low.
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PAY EQUITY
Mr. Monte Solberg (Medicine Hat, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, the
government is completely confused on the pay equity issue. It
has no concept of what real pay equity means.
Does the Prime Minister agree with the President of the Treasury
Board that this bizarre concept of pay equity “is actually a
human right unable to be denied”. Is that really your position?
The Speaker: Colleagues, all questions should be
addressed through the Chair.
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
I repeat, equal pay for work of equal value is the basic
principle here. I know that the Reform Party does not recognize
this. It was in its electoral platform that it would scrap that
principle.
The Liberals believe in that principle. That is why that
judgment is so important. We will now take the time to study it
very closely.
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Mr. Monte Solberg (Medicine Hat, Ref.): Mr. Speaker,
this is the most bizarre answer I have heard since I have got
here.
The government is fighting in the courts the whole concept of
equal pay. Every day its members stand in the House and defend
why they cannot give the payout to workers in the union.
If the minister believes so strongly that this is right, why are
they fighting it in the courts? Why are they not paying it out?
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
I do understand why the hon. member speaks about being bizarre.
It is because we are speaking here about a human rights issue and
that is why perhaps he does not know about it. It is a question
of human rights and that is why it is so important.
The problem that we have is not on the principle but on the
methodology. That is why it is so important to look at it very
closely to understand the impact. As a responsible government we
will act when we have all the information we need.
[Translation]
Ms. Caroline St-Hilaire (Longueuil, BQ): Mr. Speaker, the
decision on pay equity is clear.
It comes down hard on the government for using stalling tactics
solely for the purpose of avoiding the obligation to settle with
its employees.
Does the President of Treasury Board commit today to abandoning
immediately any plans to appeal the decision? Does she not
consider that the employees, women employees specifically, have
suffered enough from the government's behaviour in this matter?
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I
acknowledge that public servants are hoping for a rapid
conclusion to this matter, because there have been discussions
on it between ourselves and our union partners for some years
now.
We have just received a very important decision, as we wished
clarification of section 11 of the act, and now with this
decision we have it.
I believe it is totally normal for a responsible government to
take a few days to examine the decision before taking a
position, and I can assure our friends the public servants that
this is what we will be doing.
Ms. Caroline St-Hilaire (Longueuil, BQ): Mr. Speaker, this is
utterly unbelievable. It is the fourth time the decision has
been in favour of the workers.
The President of Treasury Board keeps on saying that she and her
government are in agreement with the principle of pay equity.
If the minister wants to prove without a doubt that she supports
the principle of pay equity, why does she hesitate to apply the
judgment in its entirety?
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I
repeat, this government has committed to respecting the
principle of pay equity. The proof of this is that we have
already made payments to the union partners in connection with
pay equity.
What put us on opposite sides of the question was the
methodology per se. This is why it was so important to ask the
courts to examine the matter. Now that we have the decision, we
are going to examine it very carefully and we are then going to
reach a decision accordingly.
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[English]
IMMIGRATION
Mr. Leon E. Benoit (Lakeland, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, bogus
refugees have gone missing. At least 56 of the 600 migrants have
either abandoned their claims or have been denied refugee status.
They all have something in common, however. The immigration
department does not have the first clue as to where they are
right, at this very minute. No doubt, however, the people
smugglers who brought them here know exactly where they are.
Why is the minister allowing organized crime to profit from her
lack of action?
Ms. Elinor Caplan (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the member is absolutely inaccurate and
wrong in his contention. It is utter nonsense. I want to tell
him that it is not the policy of the government to detain all
failed refugee claimants.
The sudden arrival on the B.C. coast this summer posed new
challenges. We have been making the argument successfully to
detain the people in boats two, three and four. Those people who
arrived in the first boat were not detained after we had
identified them. We experienced a problem and because of the
information we had we were able to make the case for boats two,
three and four.
What they are proposing is undemocratic.
Mr. Leon E. Benoit (Lakeland, Ref.): Mr. Speaker,
everything in the minister's answer was really irrelevant. It is
clear to Canadians that this system is not working well at all.
It has been over three months and the government system has
completed six claims. Over 50 people are missing and more are
being released every day. Of course we know that they will
disappear.
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I want to know why the minister is allowing people who came here
illegally and have been denied refugee status to be released on
Canadian soil.
Ms. Elinor Caplan (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the hon. member opposite is proposing
that the state have the power to detain individuals when it has
no evidence that those individuals will in fact flee.
We detain them and we have the right to detain if we do not know
who they are. Until we have their identity we have the right to
detain if we are concerned about criminality. We have the right
to detain if there are concerns of flight.
The individuals the member referred to had shown up for all
their hearings as part of the due process. I would say to him
that unless there is evidence and we can make the case to detain
it is not appropriate that we should do so.
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[Translation]
AIR TRANSPORTATION
Mr. Michel Guimond
(Beauport—Montmorency—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île-d'Orléans, BQ): Mr. Speaker,
today, the Air Canada Pilots Association filed a complaint with
the Canadian Transportation Agency regarding the agreement
linking American Airlines and Canadian International Airlines,
and more specifically the provision providing that the American
carrier has a veto over any major decision, including takeovers
or mergers affecting Canadian International Airlines.
This basically means that American Airlines has a veto over any
possible agreement between Air Canada and Canadian International
Airlines.
Does the Minister of Transport really believe that this
arrangement complies with the National Transportation Act, which
provides that foreign interests cannot in effect control more
than 25% of an air carrier?
Hon. David M. Collenette (Minister of Transport, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, the issue raised this morning by the pilots falls
completely within the jurisdiction of the Canadian
Transportation Agency. I will not comment on the process,
because it is not my responsibility to do so. It is up to the
courts to deal with this issue.
Mr. Michel Guimond
(Beauport—Montmorency—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île-d'Orléans, BQ): Mr. Speaker,
the Prime Minister and the Minister of Transport have kept
repeating for 10 days that they are setting five or six
conditions, depending on who is talking, for any merger or
takeover in the air transportation sector.
How can we believe that the government will ensure that its
conditions are strictly followed, since the minister is not even
prepared to ensure that the existing act is complied with?
Hon. David M. Collenette (Minister of Transport, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, as I said yesterday, we have set five principles for
the restructuring of our air transportation system, but there is
one principle, which is very important and which is
non-negotiable as far as the government is concerned, and that is
the application of the Official Languages Act, which is
important for all Canadians.
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[English]
IMMIGRATION
Miss Deborah Grey (Edmonton North, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, of
the 600 Chinese migrants who arrived by boat this summer only six
of them have been processed so far. It is hardly breakneck
speed.
The minister just basically admitted that these people were
rejected as refugees. We know that. They were then set totally
scot-free. The minister seems to think that unless they just
come forward and admit that they will run away she will not
detain them at all.
Why is the minister releasing bogus refugees here on Canadian
soil?
Ms. Elinor Caplan (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, while I will not discuss individual cases
I will tell the member that the individuals she was referring to
who have been part of the accelerated process, which was part of
the IRB decision, were not in detention prior to their hearings.
They had met all their obligations. They had shown up for all
their hearings. Because they were entitled to a judicial review
before the federal court, there was no reason to assume that they
would not continue to meet their obligations.
Miss Deborah Grey (Edmonton North, Ref.): Mr. Speaker,
it is fine if they are not detained beforehand, but if they are
deemed bogus refugees perhaps it would be wise to detain them
after. The minister does not have a sweet clue where these
people are.
It is impossible for anyone to try to understand the logic
behind a system that releases migrants after the hearing
regardless of whatever it was that hearing determined. Due
process should not mean disappearance instead of deportation.
Why will the minister not stop this little game of catch and
release?
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Ms. Elinor Caplan (Minister of Citizenship and Immigration,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I want to be very clear. The government
will uphold the charter of rights and freedoms. We stand for due
process of law. Unlike the Reform Party, we are not attempting
to throw out compassionate and humanitarian traditions. We will
not rip up our charter of rights and freedoms. We will not walk
away from our international obligations.
We offer people due process. The individuals she is referring
to had the right to a judicial review with the federal court. It
is not the policy of the government to detain all failed refugee
claimants before they have received due process.
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[Translation]
FISHERIES
Mr. Yvan Bernier (Bonaventure—Gaspé—Îles-de-la-Madeleine—Pabok, BQ):
Mr. Speaker, again today, we cannot help but note that, since
the Marshall decision, the fisheries minister has been running
in circles. However, when he took over the portfolio, he said
that, whether it was counting pennies or fish, it amounted to
the same thing.
The fishermen and the aboriginal people are now sending him a
clear message. They are saying they no longer have confidence
in him or his government and they have rejected his mediator.
They want to negotiate directly between themselves.
When will the minister stop behaving like a spectator in this
matter and take a clear stance that might resolve the conflict?
[English]
Hon. Harbance Singh Dhaliwal (Minister of Fisheries and
Oceans, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, last Friday I announced in the
House the appointment of the federal representative, Mr.
Mackenzie. Mr. Mackenzie is now out talking to the parties in
Nova Scotia. He will be meeting with both aboriginal and
non-aboriginal communities.
His appointment was welcomed by all the groups as a very
important step. I have all the confidence in Mr. Mackenzie. I
think he will do an excellent job. He is out there talking to
the parties right now. Let us let him do his job.
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CULTURE
Mr. Bill Graham (Toronto Centre—Rosedale, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Canadian Heritage.
Canadians want our government to protect their cultural identity
and to preserve global cultural diversity. Both the foreign
affairs and heritage committees have recommended strong
international action to achieve this goal. What steps is the
government taking to implement these important recommendations?
Hon. Sheila Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage, Lib.):
Mr. Speaker, I thank the chairmen of the Standing Committee on
Foreign Affairs and the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage
because both committees approached this very difficult issue with
a new solution, that is the creation of a new international
instrument on cultural diversity.
[Translation]
I would like to thank all of the members of this House, both
sides of it, who worked on it, because yesterday, Cabinet
decided unanimously that we would continue with a new
international instrument to recognize cultural diversity because
of the work of these members of the House.
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[English]
NATIONAL DEFENCE
Mr. Jim Hart (Okanagan—Coquihalla, Ref.): Mr. Speaker,
the Minister of National Defence wants to be informed if an
access to information applicant is a member of parliament or a
member of the media. He does this and he demands this so that he
can be prepared for question period.
The information commissioner's report to me stated that this
practice is not consistent with the Privacy Act. Why is the
Minister of National Defence singling out members of parliament
and members of the media and putting his interests above the
interest of the privacy of all Canadians?
Hon. Arthur C. Eggleton (Minister of National Defence,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, as I indicated yesterday that is
absolutely wrong.
First and foremost I want the laws, whether they are privacy or
access to information laws, to be fully complied with by the
Department of National Defence. I issued a very clear
instruction back on April 6 to that effect.
The privacy commissioner in his report yesterday indicated that
had been done. Also yesterday the privacy commissioner indicated
in his report that great progress had been made with respect to
the Department of National Defence answering these very matters
and ensuring that we abide by the law.
Mr. Jim Hart (Okanagan—Coquihalla, Ref.): Mr. Speaker,
the information commissioner says he is still monitoring the
minister's office.
In a letter to the deputy minister on April 6, and again
yesterday in the House of Commons, the minister confirmed that
the preparation of his talking points for his briefing book is
more important than the privacy of all Canadians.
The information commissioner has said that singling out members
of parliament and journalists gives the appearance of political
influence and bias. Why does the minister put his own political
bias above that of the right of privacy of every Canadian in the
country? Why is he doing that?
Hon. Arthur C. Eggleton (Minister of National Defence,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the hon. member does not seem to
understand any of the answers he gets.
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I have said quite clearly that following the law and the
regulations is first and foremost. I said at the same time that
this information goes out I would like to know about it so that I
can respond to questions from hon. members in the House, or the
media or the public. I think that is fair, that we would be able
to be fully accountable and I am fully accountable for what
happens in my department.
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ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE
Mr. Nelson Riis (Kamloops, Thompson and Highland Valleys,
NDP): Mr. Speaker, my question is for the solicitor general.
Two constituents of mine who were recently bilked out of
$700,000 in a stock market swindle recently received a letter
from the RCMP saying, “You have a valid complaint but sorry, we
don't have enough money to continue with our investigation”.
As the minister responsible for the RCMP, if the police are
saying that they are unable to enforce our laws, what action is
the minister taking and what advice does he have for my two
constituents?
Hon. Lawrence MacAulay (Solicitor General of Canada,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, this government is well aware of the
funding problem with the RCMP. That is why the treasury board
conducted a review in co-operation with the RCMP.
I can also tell my hon. colleague that had he listened to the
Speech from the Throne, he would have also heard that this
government is even further committed to supporting the RCMP and
law enforcement agencies across the country.
Mr. Nelson Riis (Kamloops, Thompson and Highland Valleys,
NDP): Mr. Speaker, the minister has just said that this a
great day for swindlers, crooks, thieves and con artists. It is
open season.
When the police admit that they lack the financial resources to
enforce our laws, what signal does this send to criminals?
Swindle the public and if they are caught, nothing will happen.
If that is the best answer the solicitor general can give to
resolve this problem, perhaps he should step aside and let
someone else come in and do the job decently.
Hon. Lawrence MacAulay (Solicitor General of Canada,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, unless I am mistaken, my hon. colleague
has a hearing problem. That is not what I said at all. I said
that this government is committed to the RCMP and law enforcement
across the country. I said that had he listened to the Speech
from the Throne, he would understand how committed the government
is.
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[Translation]
AIR TRANSPORTATION
Mr. André Bachand (Richmond—Arthabaska, PC): Mr. Speaker, now
that all the players in the airline industry affair have put
their cards on the table, and so that consumers in this country
do not become the real victims of this war for the skies, will
the Minister of Industry promise not to extend the suspension
deadline so that the Competition Bureau can do its work and
protect the interests of Canadians?
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, our
use of a section 47 order in council was a success. Shareholders
now have a number of proposals to consider. We will consider the
facts when it becomes necessary to do so, in other words at the
end of the 90-day period.
Mr. André Bachand (Richmond—Arthabaska, PC): Mr. Speaker, one
has to wonder if there has not been preferential treatment in
this affair. What we are asking for is that consumer protection
come first. It is time this government put individual citizens
back at the centre of the decision-making process in all its
undertakings.
Will November 9 mark the end of the suspension, at which time
the Competition Bureau can resume its function and study the
matter fully?
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the
member may think the Competition Bureau does not have a role to
play. That is not the case. The Competition Bureau continues
to play a key role in analyzing this matter. It is now in the
process of responding to a request from the Minister of
Transport and its role will continue during and after the 90-day
period.
* * *
[English]
PENSIONS
Mr. Gurbax Singh Malhi (Bramalea—Gore—Malton—Springdale,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Human
Resources Development.
At the end of September the federal government announced that
old age security benefit rates for October, November and December
1999 will be $417.42 per month.
Can the minister explain why the old age security benefit has
been increased only slightly despite a rise in the consumer price
index?
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Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, under the old age security program,
benefits are indexed quarterly against the CPI. There is a slight
delay between any increases in the CPI and the changes to the old
age security benefits. I can assure the hon. member that the
August and September increases in the CPI will be reflected in
the January 2000 cheques.
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ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS
Mr. John Cummins (Delta—South Richmond, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, the Indian affairs minister has said that the impact of
the Marshall decision extends to other resources. He said,
“Treaties are obviously an opportunity to share resources”.
The 1760 treaty imposed restrictions on the Mi'kmaq's right to
trade. It even required that they provide hostages as a
guarantee that they would live up to the terms of the treaty, a
treaty which did not mention fish or access to any other
resources.
The Marshall decision cries out for clarification. Why will the
minister not join the West Nova Fishermen's Coalition in seeking
clarification of this confusing decision?
Hon. Harbance Singh Dhaliwal (Minister of Fisheries and
Oceans, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, if the hon. member would read the
supreme court judgment, he would see it clearly says that there
is treaty right for fishing, gathering and hunting. That is
pretty clear in that judgment. It also says this treaty right is
a regulated right and not an unfettered right.
Certainly we are working with all the groups to make sure that
we have a resolution that we can all live with. That is why we
have a federal representative working with all the groups at this
time.
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[Translation]
ORGANIZED CRIME
Mrs. Pierrette Venne (Saint-Bruno—Saint-Hubert, BQ): Mr. Speaker,
the president of the Canadian Police Association sounded an
alarm, criticizing the lack of resources for conducting the
necessary investigations into death threats against
parliamentarians and private citizens. The Government of
Quebec, for its part, has increased the resources available to
fight organized crime.
What does the minister intend to do about the glaring lack of
resources for fighting organized crime?
[English]
Hon. Lawrence MacAulay (Solicitor General of Canada,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I believe I just responded to that
question.
The treasury board conducted a review. This government is fully
aware of the funding problem. My hon. colleague should realize
that the Speech from the Throne indicated quite clearly that this
government has a strong commitment to law enforcement agencies.
It also deals with the SQ and other police forces across the
country in order to combat organized crime.
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AIRLINE INDUSTRY
Mr. Jim Jones (Markham, PC): Mr. Speaker, in addition to
the European Union probing Canada's airline mergers, the United
States also is concerned about its impact under the Canada-U.S.
open skies agreement. Why can the government not be clear with
Canadians on this question?
My question is for the industry minister. Is he going to extend
section 47 beyond the 90 days? Yes or no?
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, the order under section 47 is in effect. The question
of whether it would be renewed or extended is premature.
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INTERNATIONAL DEVELOPMENT
Mr. Mac Harb (Ottawa Centre, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, as a
result of the economic downturn of the early 1990s, Canada's
contribution to international development assistance declined to
below our traditional level of contribution. As a result of the
better economic situation now, can the minister assure the House
of her commitment to increase Canada's contribution to
international development assistance?
[Translation]
Mr. Eugène Bellemare (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister for
International Cooperation, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, for 50 years Canada
has contributed substantially by progress to the improvement of
living conditions in developing countries.
[English]
The government remains committed to international aid. It
pledged that it would be increasing international development
assistance as stated in the Speech from the Throne. There is
always more to be done in developing countries and the government
is committed to doing more.
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DEVCO
Mrs. Michelle Dockrill (Bras d'Or—Cape Breton, NDP): Mr.
Speaker, this Liberal government has wreaked havoc on Cape Breton
miners and their children, including Billy Martin of Glace Bay
who has worked for Devco for 26 years and will not qualify for a
pension.
I would like to ask the minister about Billy's kids and all the
other miners' children whose parents have had their lives ripped
apart by this government. Chris, Jason and Billy Junior are
watching today. I want the minister to tell them what this
government is going to do for them and all the other children
whose parents will not get a pension from this government.
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Hon. Ralph E. Goodale (Minister of Natural Resources and
Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, in addition to the human resources package announced at
the time of the announcement of the Phalen mine closure, we also
indicated that there were two other equally important components
in the package. One was the attempt to privatize the Prince mine
with the objective of maintaining up to 500 jobs in the coal
mining business on Cape Breton Island. The other was $68 million
for an economic development fund to find a new and more viable
economic future for the people of Cape Breton.
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ABORIGINAL AFFAIRS
Mr. John Cummins (Delta—South Richmond, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, the Marshall decision of the supreme court leaves little
but confusion in its wake. Who the decision applies to and the
place of currently licensed fishermen and non-status natives in
the new fishery are much open to question. The minister suggests
they negotiate compromises to settle these issues, but rejects
outright that non-status natives are covered by the treaty.
Does the possibility the courts could make non-status natives
have access to treaty rights influence the government's
negotiating decisions today?
Hon. Ralph E. Goodale (Minister of Natural Resources and
Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, I answer in my capacity as the federal interlocutor for
Metis and off reserve Indians.
The supreme court judgment in the Marshall case was not totally
precise in defining exactly who all the potential beneficiaries
of the historic treaties would be.
On Friday the Government of Canada announced that we were
appointing a federal representative to negotiate and discuss with
all of the affected parties. Obviously we will want to ensure in
the course of those discussions that the appropriate
representation of aboriginal people in the Atlantic region is
consulted about this matter so that all the views and all the
relevant information can be on the table, rather than speculating
in a vacuum.
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[Translation]
GENETICALLY ALTERED FOODS
Ms. Hélène Alarie (Louis-Hébert, BQ): Mr. Speaker, since 1994 the
government has had in its possession several surveys carried out
on its behalf indicating that 80% to 95% of Canadians support or
demand the labelling of genetically altered foods.
Surveys by other organizations have confirmed this.
My question is for the Minister of Agriculture. Why does the
minister continue to ignore the clear wishes of the public and
refuse to provide it with accurate labelling information on
genetically altered foods?
[English]
Hon. Lyle Vanclief (Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I remind the hon. member that just three
or four weeks ago the Canadian Council of Grocery Distributors as
well as the Standards Council of Canada, the Consumers'
Association of Canada, processors and producers began work on a
set of criteria that could be used for the labelling of
genetically modified food in Canada.
* * *
PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES
Ms. Wendy Lill (Dartmouth, NDP): Mr. Speaker, we learned
yesterday that the provincial government in Nova Scotia stopped a
$700,000 program to improve access to public buildings for
persons with disabilities. This coincides with news federally
that the request for a permanent subcommittee on the status of
persons with disabilities has been turned down. In light of the
draconian cuts by the Nova Scotia government, we need strong
federal leadership more than ever to ensure the rights of the
disabled.
Without a committee to deal exclusively with the critical issues
of the disabled, how can the minister assure us that these issues
will not go right back to where they were before, and that is at
the bottom of the heap?
Hon. Don Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of
Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, questions about how committees
are structured in the House are handled by House leaders at House
leaders meetings that are held every week. The hon. member knows
that and she should raise it with her own House leader.
* * *
AIRLINE INDUSTRY
Mr. Jim Jones (Markham, PC): Mr. Speaker, in Air Canada's
press release, Air Canada says that it can only go ahead with its
proposed airline merger if the Government of Canada has
determined that it will abandon its dual airline policy.
My question is for the Minister of Transport. Does the
Government of Canada have a dual airline policy?
Hon. David M. Collenette (Minister of Transport, Lib.):
Mr. Speaker, the hon. member knows that we are going through the
very difficult process of assessing the needs of the airline
industry. We have put in motion a process that has brought
forward private sector solutions. Those solutions or a solution
coming from the shareholders will be submitted to government to
apply the public interest test against those principles. I
invite the hon. member to come on Tuesday when I speak to the
committee so that we can discuss this matter more fully.
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YOUTH EMPLOYMENT
Mr. Steve Mahoney (Mississauga West, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
my question is for the Secretary of State for Children and Youth.
As chair of the Prime Minister's task force on youth
entrepreneurship I had the opportunity to travel across the
country to speak with young Canadians on business opportunities
and employment opportunities.
Could the minister tell us what the business and employment
prospects are for Canada's youth?
Hon. Ethel Blondin-Andrew (Secretary of State (Children and
Youth), Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. member for his
work on this issue.
The employment prospects for Canada's youth look very good. In
1998 we had the highest record increase for youth employment with
2.1 million working. In 1999 it increased again by 173,000 young
people with new jobs. Since 1997, 14,000, 74,000 and 171,000
have been employed.
Over 85% of Youth Service Canada and 88% of youth
entrepreneurship participants are either employed, self-employed
or have returned to school six to twelve months after completing
their projects. That is positive.
* * *
PRESENCE IN GALLERY
The Speaker: I draw the attention of hon. members to
the presence in the gallery of the Hon. Dr. Denzil Douglas, Prime
Minister of the Federation of St. Kitts and Nevis.
Some hon. members: Hear, hear.
[Translation]
The Speaker: I would also like to draw attention to the presence
in the gallery of His Excellency François Huwart, Secretary of
State for Foreign Trade of the French Republic.
Some hon. members: Hear, hear.
* * *
[English]
POINTS OF ORDER
QUESTION PERIOD
Mr. Bill Blaikie (Winnipeg—Transcona, NDP): Mr. Speaker,
I rise on a point of order. During question period the member
for Dartmouth raised a question in respect of her concerns about
policy with regard to the disabled.
After referring to her disappointment that a certain committee
was not set up to deal exclusively with the disabled, she then
went on to ask a question of the government, presumably of the
minister in charge of the disabled, as to how the minister would
look after the concerns of the disabled in the absence of the
committee she thought should be struck.
The government House leader then rose and contended that the
question was out of order. There are two things here. The
government House leader should not have been rising in the first
place because the question was not about committee business.
However he contended, while he was on his feet, that it would
have been out of order for the member to have asked the question,
which is the question she did not ask. He maintained that it
would have been out of order had she asked about the
restructuring of committees. I contend—
The Speaker: Order, please. There are two points
here. First, when a question is asked it is not asked of a
minister but is asked of the government. Therefore anyone on the
government side who wants to answer the question may do so.
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Second, I know that all hon. members will realize that it is
sometimes my prerogative to say what is in order and what is out
of order. When the House leader says it is out of order, he is
out of order. When the complainant says it is out of order, he
is out of order. I am in order and we are going to get on with
the business of the House.
ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
[English]
GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO PETITIONS
Mr. Derek Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, pursuant to
Standing Order 36, I have the honour to table, in both official
languages, the government response to 10 petitions.
* * *
INTERPARLIAMENTARY DELEGATIONS
Mr. Joe Comuzzi (Thunder Bay—Superior North, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, I am honoured to present the 40th annual report of a
meeting of the Canada-United States Interparliamentary Group
which took place in Quebec City from May 20 to 24.
I would just like to explain some of the topics at this very
important function. It was a success, not only because of the
venue of Quebec City but also because it drew the largest
contingent available from our colleagues in the United States.
There were 27 congresspersons and senators there from the United
States Congress. This is the largest group of United States
legislators ever to attend a meeting outside their particular
jurisdiction.
The important decisions that were reached, as I have reported
several times in the past and which are very important to members
of the House, were regarding the implementation of section 110 of
the United States immigration and naturalization act. We all
know the harm that could come if that was implemented by our
colleagues in the United States.
I am pleased to report—
The Speaker: I know the hon. member is getting to the
punch line but he is not going to give us the whole report, I
hope. I know the member will finish up right now.
Mr. Joe Comuzzi: With those words of support, Mr.
Speaker, I am pleased to submit the report in both official
languages.
Mr. Paul Szabo (Mississauga South, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
since Canada does not have diplomatic relations with Taiwan, I
seek unanimous consent of the House to table a report on behalf
of the Canada-Taiwan Parliamentary Friendship Group.
The Speaker: The House has heard the suggestion of the
hon. member. Is it agreed?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Mr. Paul Szabo (Mississauga South, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, on August 1 to 7, a
delegation of Canadian parliamentarians visited Taiwan to meet
with Taiwanese President Lee Teng-Hui, as well as to visit with
officials of the government and business executives doing
business in Taiwan.
The Canada-Taiwan Parliamentary Friendship Group has circulated
this report to all members for their comments and input. We are
very pleased to comment in our report on the status of Taiwanese
relations with mainland China, on Canada-Taiwan relations and on
matters of economic and cultural exchange.
* * *
MARINE CONSERVATION AREAS ACT
Hon. Sheila Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage, Lib.)
moved for leave to introduce Bill C-8, an act respecting marine
conservation areas.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
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The Speaker: The Chair is satisfied that this bill is in
the same form as Bill C-48 was at the time of prorogation of the
first session of the 36th Parliament.
[Translation]
Consequently, pursuant to order adopted Thursday, October 14,
1999, the bill is deemed to have been read the second time,
referred to a committee, considered in that committee and
reported (with amendment).
(Bill deemed read the second time, considered in committee
and reported (with amendment))
* * *
[English]
NATIONAL AGRICULTURE INDUSTRY RELIEF CO-ORDINATION ACT
Mr. Rick Borotsik (Brandon—Souris, PC) moved for leave to
introduce Bill C-252, an act to establish a national committee to
develop policies and procedures to ensure co-ordination in the
delivery of programs by governments in the case of agricultural
losses or disasters created by weather, pests, shortages of goods
or services or market conditions, and the co-ordination of the
delivery of information, assistance, relief and compensation, and
to study the compliance of such programs with World Trade
Organization requirements.
He said: Mr. Speaker, you have very briefly identified the
subject matter of the bill. We have some difficulties in the
safety net programs that have been developed by government thus
far.
This piece of legislation would legislate a committee made up of
all the stakeholder. The provinces and the federal government
would then be able to come to the House to table those reports
and propose legislation that would deal with natural disasters in
agriculture, as well as other extraordinary circumstances,
particularly like we are suffering today in agriculture.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
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YOUNG OFFENDERS ACT
Mr. Jack Ramsay (Crowfoot, Ref.) moved for leave to
introduce Bill C-253, an act to to amend the Young Offenders Act
to transfer older offenders who commit violent offences to adult
court, to limit the application of alternative measures, to allow
for certain young offenders to be designated as dangerous
offenders, to establish public safety as a dominant consideration
in the application of the law respecting young offenders, to
remove privacy provisions and to make certain other amendments.
He said: Mr. Speaker, I have the honour of rising today to
reintroduce my private member's bill amending the Young Offenders
Act. I drafted and presented the bill during the last
parliament, many months before the justice minister introduced a
youth justice act.
My private member's bill resulted from the testimony and written
submissions given to the justice committee from key stakeholders
in the field of youth justice who persuasively argued for
substantive and meaningful changes to the Young Offenders Act.
Numerous witnesses made it very apparent to the justice standing
committee during its 1996-97 cross-country hearings that they
wanted meaningful legislation in which the protection of society
was a priority.
My bill makes the protection of society the first and guiding
principle of the criminal law as it pertains to youth. I
sincerely hope that my bill is drawn and makes it to the floor of
the House during this sitting of parliament.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
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CRIMINAL CODE
Mr. Myron Thompson (Wild Rose, Ref.) moved for leave to
introduce Bill C-254, an act to amend the Criminal Code (using or
operating a stolen motor vehicle in the commission of an offence.
He said: Mr. Speaker, the bill is on the suggestion of the
Canadian Police Commission that is asking for assistance in
dealing with those convicts who steal a car and use the vehicle
in the commission of a crime.
It is asking that this be given special consideration which
would involve consecutive sentencing for that crime. Consecutive
sentencing is a very unusual word to the Liberal government, but
I am sure it will understand the meaning of this document.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
* * *
CRIMINAL CODE
Mr. Myron Thompson (Wild Rose, Ref.) moved for leave to
introduce Bill C-255, an act to amend the Criminal Code (arrest
without warrant).
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He said: Mr. Speaker, once again this bill is being introduced
on the recommendation of the police commission and all police
officers throughout the country. They are asking for the ability
to arrest, without warrant and at the time of wrongdoing, any
person who is visibly seen violating parole or probation. This
bill would enable them to do that.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
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[Translation]
EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE ACT
Mrs. Christiane Gagnon (Québec, BQ) moved for leave to introduce
Bill C-256, an act to amend the Employment Insurance Act, 1999
(qualifying for benefits).
She said: Mr. Speaker, this bill, which seeks to ease the
qualifying rules, is part of a concerted action by the Bloc
Quebecois.
It proposes, among other measures, to correct two inequities
affecting newcomers on the labour market, young people and those
who return to the labour market after two years absence, namely
women who stay at home to raise their children. These people
must work 910 hours, compared to other workers who must work
between 420 and 700 hours, depending on the regional rate. This
creates two categories of unemployed.
The bill also seeks to eliminate the two categories of
unemployed created by the current legislation, namely those who
worked 700 hours and those who worked less than 700 hours. It is
impossible for those who have worked less than 700 hours to
obtain parental leave or sick leave.
This bill is the same as Bill C-298, which I introduced in the
House of Commons on December 8, 1997.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
Mrs. Marlene Jennings: Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I
am seeking the consent of the House to introduce a bill
regarding Louis Riel. It is essentially the same bill that was
referred to as Bill C-417 in the last session.
The Speaker: Does the House give unanimous consent for the
request of the hon. member?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
* * *
LOUIS RIEL ACT
Mrs. Marlene Jennings (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, Lib.) moved for
leave to introduce Bill C-257, an act respecting Louis Riel.
She said: Mr. Speaker, the purpose of this bill, which is
familiar to the House as it was introduced before prorogation,
is to reverse the conviction of Louis Riel for high treason and
to formally recognize and commemorate his role in the
advancement of the Canadian Confederation and the rights and
interests of the Metis people and the people of Western Canada.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
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AUTOMOTIVE POLLUTION REDUCTION ACT
Mr. Clifford Lincoln (Lac-Saint-Louis, Lib.) moved for leave to
introduce Bill C-258, an act to protect human health and the
environment by reducing automotive pollution.
He said: Mr. Speaker, this bill, which was introduced in the
previous session, died on the order paper. Therefore, I
reintroduce it.
The purpose of this bill is to protect human health and the
environment against certain types of harmful or potentially
harmful automotive fuel and to reduce automotive pollution in
Canada.
[English]
The bill would enact a provision requiring that no person shall
produce or import for use or sale in Canada or sell or offer for
sale in Canada any gasoline that has an oxygen content less than
2.7% in weight, any diesel fuel that has an oxygen content less
than 5.25% in weight, or any gasoline that contains MMT.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
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PETITIONS
THE ENVIRONMENT
Mrs. Rose-Marie Ur (Lambton—Kent—Middlesex, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I am pleased to present a
petition that has been certified correct as to form and content.
Petitioners from the Grand Bend, Lucan and Strathroy areas have
signed the said petition.
The petition states that the use of the additive MMT in Canadian
gasoline presents an environmental problem affecting every man,
woman and child in Canada.
The petitioners call upon parliament to set by the end of this
calendar year national clean fuel standards for gasoline with
zero MMT and low sulphur content.
THE SENATE
Hon. Lorne Nystrom (Regina—Qu'Appelle, NDP): Mr.
Speaker, I have a petition signed by a number of people from
Saskatchewan which states that the Senate of Canada is
undemocratic, unelected and unaccountable, that it costs the
taxpayers some $50 million per year, and that the Senate
undermines the work of the elected members of parliament who sit
in the House of Commons.
Therefore the petitioners are calling upon us to begin measures
aimed at the abolition of the Senate. It is a good idea.
THE CONSTITUTION
Mr. John Duncan (Vancouver Island North, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, I have a petition signed by 70 individuals from my
riding of Vancouver Island North.
The petitioners are asking parliament to refrain from enacting
legislation which would remove the name of God from the Canadian
constitution and the charter of rights.
ABOLITION OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS
Mr. Ted McWhinney (Vancouver Quadra, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
pursuant to Standing Order 36, I am pleased to present a petition
signed by 73 residents of British Columbia, duly certified by the
Clerk of Petitions, on the subject of nuclear weapons, asking
parliament to support the initiation and conclusion by the year
2000 of an international convention setting out a binding
timetable for the abolition of nuclear weapons.
WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION
Mr. Ted McWhinney (Vancouver Quadra, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
I am pleased to present a petition signed by 41 residents of
British Columbia, duly certified by the Clerk of Petitions,
calling on the Parliament of Canada to support Taiwan's
membership in the World Health Organization.
AGRICULTURE
Mr. Rick Borotsik (Brandon—Souris, PC): Mr. Speaker, I
have two petitions to present today to the House under Standing
Order 36.
The petitions are signed by residents of Saskatchewan.
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The first petition concerns the inability of the AIDA program to
provide services to agriculture. It suggests that the Minister
of Agriculture and Agri-Food should be replaced with an
individual who has a better understanding of how agriculture is
being affected today and how agriculture should be affected in
the future.
CANADIAN WHEAT BOARD
Mr. Rick Borotsik (Brandon—Souris, PC): Mr. Speaker, the
second petition contains 82 pages of signatures from residents of
Saskatchewan who have asked me to present their petition to the
House of Commons. The petition concerns the Minister responsible
for the Canadian Wheat Board.
The petitioners say that the federal minister responsible for
the Canadian Wheat Board has failed to meet not only with
farmers, but business people and concerned citizens in his
constituency, and has failed to protect the true needs of
Canadian agriculture. They too wish to have the minister
replaced with an individual from the government side who better
understands the issues not only of agriculture, but of the
Canadian Wheat Board.
I would like to file these petitions on behalf of the
petitioners.
THE CONSTITUTION
Mrs. Brenda Chamberlain (Guelph—Wellington, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, I am proud to rise today to table a petition on behalf
of my constituents.
The petition contains over 1,500 signatures from the residents
of Guelph—Wellington and the surrounding area.
The petition calls upon the House of Commons to affirm the
current wording of the charter of rights and freedoms,
recognizing that Canada was founded on the supremacy of God. I
support this petition.
THE SENATE
Mr. John Solomon (Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, NDP): Mr.
Speaker, I am pleased to present on behalf of many constituents
in my district of Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, as well as from
communities like Yellow Grass and Lang, Saskatchewan, a petition
which outlines their concerns about the undemocratic Senate, the
unelected Senate, the unaccountable Senate. They are very
unhappy about the fact that two senators who have been found
guilty of fraud are still senators. They call upon the House of
Commons to abolish the Senate.
INCOME TAX ACT
Mr. John Maloney (Erie—Lincoln, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
pursuant to Standing Order 36, I have the pleasure to present
petitions from residents of the Niagara and Haldimand regions.
The petitioners request parliament to amend section 8(1)(h) and
8(1)(h.1) of the Income Tax Act to allow members of a tradesmen's
union to deduct employment expenses if they have to work out of
town in situations where the contractor is considered local.
THE CONSTITUTION
Mr. Grant McNally (Dewdney—Alouette, Ref.): Mr. Speaker,
it is a pleasure to present several petitions on behalf of the
good people of Dewdney—Alouette and surrounding areas.
I have approximately 1,200 signatures from individuals who are
asking members of parliament to oppose any amendments to the
Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms or any other federal
legislation which would provide for the exclusion of the
reference to the supremacy of God in our constitution and laws,
and I certainly agree.
THE SENATE
Mr. Nelson Riis (Kamloops, Thompson and Highland Valleys,
NDP): Mr. Speaker, it is indeed an honour and a pleasure to
once again stand, pursuant to Standing Order 36, to present a
petition containing thousands of names from residents of Blue
River, Clear Water, Kamloops, Logan Lake, Chase, Savona, Hall
Lake, Red Lake and others, who point out that the Senate of
Canada is an undemocratic institution, composed of unelected
members who are unaccountable to the people, that it costs
somewhere in the neighbourhood of $50 million a year, and that it
undermines the role of the duly elected representatives of the
people of Canada.
There is a need to modernize our parliamentary institutions and
these individuals are calling upon parliament to undertake
measures aimed at abolishing the Senate.
CANADA PENSION PLAN
Mr. Gurbax Singh Malhi (Bramalea—Gore—Malton—Springdale,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36, I have the
honour of presenting the following petition signed by hundreds of
Canadians.
The petitioners call upon parliament to ask the government to
maintain and enhance the public pension system which is our right
and heritage.
THE SENATE
Ms. Wendy Lill (Dartmouth, NDP): Mr. Speaker, I too would
like to present a petition today on behalf of many residents from
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia who are very concerned about the Senate of
Canada and the fact that they believe it is an undemocratic
institution, is composed of unelected officials and is costly.
In fact the constituents believe it is jeopardizing the role of
MPs in the House of Commons and that it should be abolished.
JUSTICE
Mr. Darrel Stinson (Okanagan—Shuswap, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, I have two petitions to table today.
It is my pleasure to table the first petition from people of
Okanagan—Shuswap asking for sweeping changes to the justice
system to provide stiffer penalties for dangerous sex offenders,
pedophiles and other violent offenders.
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They also request measures so that violent criminals serve their
full sentences and that authorities be given more power to get
information they need for a conviction, including blood and
saliva samples, the elimination of defence on the grounds of
insanity, drunkenness or drug impairment, and that the death
penalty be reinstated for first degree murder where there is no
doubt of guilt.
BILL C-309
Mr. Darrel Stinson (Okanagan—Shuswap, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, the second petition is also from the people of
Okanagan—Shuswap asking for the rejection of Bill C-309. This
is cited as equal treatment for persons cohabiting in a
relationship similar to a conjugal relationship.
The petition states that the strength of any society is largely
dependent upon a solid family unit headed by a father and a
mother living in a heterosexual relationship.
The rejection of Bill C-309 will help protect the definition of
marriage in Canada.
* * *
QUESTIONS ON THE ORDER PAPER
Mr. Derek Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): I ask, Mr.
Speaker, that all questions be allowed to stand.
The Speaker: Is it agreed?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
* * *
MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Mr. Derek Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I ask
that all Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers be
allowed to stand.
The Speaker: Is it agreed?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
[English]
PERSONAL INFORMATION PROTECTION AND ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS
ACT
BILL C-6—TIME ALLOCATION MOTION
Hon. Don Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of
Commons, Lib.) moved:
That in relation to Bill C-6, an act to support and promote
electronic commerce by protecting personal information that is
collected, used or disclosed in certain circumstances, by
providing for the use of electronic means to communicate or
record information or transactions and by amending the Canada
Evidence Act, the Statutory Instruments Act and the Statute
Revision Act, not more than one further sitting day shall be
allotted to the consideration of the report stage of the bill and
one sitting day shall be allotted to the third reading stage of
the said bill and, fifteen minutes before the expiry of the time
provided for government business on the day allotted to the
consideration of the report stage and on the day allotted to the
third reading stage of the said bill, any proceedings before the
House shall be interrupted, if required for the purpose of this
Order, and in turn every question necessary for the disposal of
the stage of the bill then under consideration shall be put
forthwith and successively without further debate or amendment.
The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the
motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Speaker: All those in favour of the motion will
please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
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The Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Speaker: In my opinion the yeas have it.
And more than five members having risen:
The Speaker: Call in the members.
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(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Alcock
| Anderson
| Assad
|
Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Bertrand
|
Bevilacqua
| Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
|
Caplan
| Carroll
| Catterall
| Cauchon
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
| Clouthier
|
Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Fry
| Gagliano
| Gallaway
|
Godfrey
| Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
|
Lavigne
| Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
|
Malhi
| Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
|
Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
|
Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mitchell
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
|
Pillitteri
| Pratt
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Sekora
| Serré
|
Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
|
Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
|
Valeri
| Vanclief
| Volpe
| Whelan
|
Wilfert – 141
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Alarie
| Anders
|
Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
| Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Bailey
|
Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
| Borotsik
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Casey
| Casson
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
|
Crête
| Cummins
| Dalphond - Guiral
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desjarlais
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Duceppe
| Dumas
| Duncan
| Elley
|
Epp
| Forseth
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
|
Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
|
Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guay
|
Guimond
| Hart
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Jaffer
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
|
Kerpan
| Konrad
| Lebel
| Lill
|
Lunn
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mancini
| Marceau
|
Mark
| Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
|
McDonough
| McNally
| Ménard
| Mercier
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
|
Nunziata
| Nystrom
| Penson
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
| Proctor
|
Ramsay
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
|
Solomon
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
| Stinson
|
Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
|
Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
| Vellacott
|
Venne
| Wayne
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver) – 112
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Lalonde
| Laurin
|
Loubier
| Marchand
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Milliken
|
Minna
| Normand
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
|
The Speaker: I declare the motion carried.
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[Translation]
REPORT STAGE
The House resumed from October 19, consideration of Bill
C-6, an act to support and promote electronic commerce by
protecting personal information that is collected, used or
disclosed in certain circumstances, by providing for the use of
electronic means to communicate or record information or
transactions and by amending the Canada Evidence Act, the
Statutory Instruments Act and the Statute Revision Act, as reported
(with amendement) from the committee; and of motions in Group No. 1.
Mr. Pierre de Savoye (Portneuf, BQ): Mr. Speaker, let me first
say that I deplore the attitude of this government, which is
imposing today, in only the second week of a new session, a
double gag order regarding the bill on electronic commerce and
personal information protection.
I must say that I had some hopes following the representations
made by the Bloc Quebecois during the previous session, in the
spring, and during the sittings of the industry committee, which
reviewed this bill or, rather, its predecessor, Bill C-54. I had
hopes that, following our representations and those of the
witnesses heard by the committee, the Minister of Industry would
reconsider his decision to impose this bill on Quebec and would
withdraw it, or would at least conduct an in-depth review of this
legislation.
I was wrong.
It was not enough for the industry minister to see that Quebec
as a whole stands united in its rejection of this bill, he is
now denying us the opportunity to explain again what we thought
he had not understood correctly. We were hoping to have a few
more days to re-iterate the arguments we had already presented,
perhaps stating them more simply this time so that he could
understand them. We had hoped we could change the course of this
bill, but today, with this gag order being imposed on us barely
two weeks into the new session, I must face the fact that the
industry minister is giving the shaft to Quebecers.
I am not mincing my words because I am totally outraged by the
way the industry minister is treating Quebec.
I recall that in the last session, in this very House, the
minister gave us the assurance that Quebec would not be subject
to the application of this act since Quebec already has its own
act, and has had it for several years now.
The minister's words were just that, words; nowhere in the bill
can we find the assurance he gave us verbally to the effect that
the act would not apply to Quebec. Obviously, once again, the
minister has decided to ram down the throats of Quebecers a
piece of legislation they do not need.
I must point out that, last Saturday evening, while I was on an
open-line show with listeners in the Vancouver area, one caller
said that it might prove beneficial, in a number of issues, if
other provinces joined Quebec in its protest against the
involvement of the federal government in fields under provincial
jurisdiction.
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I told the caller that this had been tried on numerous occasions
and that, unfortunately, we had always been disappointed. I
must say that today is one more example of the insensitivity,
lack of concern, and arrogance of the federal Liberal government
when it comes to Quebecers.
Already in the early 1990s, Quebec had put the necessary money
into researching, seeking input about and drafting a bill that
is held up throughout the world as a model of what legislation
to protect personal information in the private sector should
look like.
But, rather than turning to Quebec's act for inspiration, the
minister decided to put together a new one completely from
scratch.
This bill in no way meets personal information protection
requirements.
As proof, because time is running out very quickly, I will
recall to the House a number of eloquent statements we heard in
committee that should have caught the attention of the minister,
who is obviously either poorly informed by his officials or not
listening to what we have to say, or perhaps both.
In committee, we looked at the constitutional aspect of the
bill, and basically we can see that the federal government, the
minister, is using e-commerce as an excuse to interfere in
provincial jurisdictions.
One of the people we heard from was Derril McLeod,
Saskatchewan's privacy commissioner.
He said:
It is a surprising attempt by the feds to enact legislation in
an area where it is highly unlikely that they have jurisdiction.
The federal government can enact legislation on matters of
federal jurisdiction, but not on matters of provincial
jurisdiction.
That was Saskatchewan's Privacy Commissioner McLeod speaking.
The Conseil du patronat du Québec also made similar comments on
constitutionality. To quote what they said to us at one of the
sessions of the industry committee:
Given the constitutional jurisdiction assigned to the provinces
by section 92.13 of the British North America Act relating to
the protection of personal information and privacy, and the fact
that the Quebec legislator has already passed legislation in
this area, there is no doubt that a large number of jurisdiction
conflicts will arise.
In other words, the Conseil du patronat is very much aware that
the lawyers will be putting a lot of overtime into trying to get
to the bottom of it, now that the federal government is trying
to get into an area that falls under Quebec jurisdiction.
In the end, the odds are pretty good that Quebec will win out
over the federal government, unless for some reason the supreme
court does not come out on the same side once again.
The area of application of the legislation was also the subject
of a number of concerns expressed by the committee. We should
point out that no federal company has challenged the Quebec
legislation, but if the bill we have before us is passed in its
present form, that will change. The Canadian Bankers
Association confirmed, in fact, in its appearance before the
Industry Committee, that the banks would in future come under
the federal legislation alone.
What will be the reaction of Quebec consumers when such
legislation takes effect? There will then be two systems in
place in Quebec, one that protects people properly, and one that
protects them far less well. The banks will be among the groups
of companies covered by the second regime, and will protect
individuals' information less well.
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This bill does not make any sense, and I will show you a
fundamental difference between the act currently in effect in
Quebec and the legislation proposed by the Minister of Industry.
The Quebec act states that consent must be expressed clearly and
freely, and must be given for a specific purpose. Consent that
is not given in accordance with the first paragraph is null and
void.
The proposed federal act states that “Organizations shall make a
reasonable effort to ensure that the individual is advised of
the purposes for which the information will be used”. What does
“reasonable effort” mean? This is a joke.
It also states that “The form of the consent sought by the
organization my vary, depending upon the circumstances and the
type of information”. I submit that one better not to say
anything than say such platitudes. It states further that “In
obtaining consent, the reasonable expectations of the individual
are also relevant”. This is all Chinese to me. Finally, it says
that “An organization should generally seek express consent when
the information is likely to be considered sensitive. Implied
consent would generally be appropriate when the information is
less sensitive”.
That is enough. The minister is making fun of Quebecers, and I
will just not put up with it.
The Deputy Speaker: It is my duty, pursuant to Standing Order
38, to inform the House that the question to be raised tonight
at the time of adjournment are as follows: the hon. member for
Sackville—Musquodoboit Valley—Eastern Shore, fisheries.
Mrs. Marlene Jennings (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, I am pleased to rise today to speak to Bill C-6 and the
motions in Group No. 1.
Bill C-6 will have exemptions for private sector activities
regulated by provinces that have already adopted legislation
essentially similar to the federal act protecting personal
information.
What does this mean? Let us talk about Quebec. I am from Quebec.
The province of Quebec has already adopted legislation that is
essentially similar to the act proposed by the federal
government. Therefore, the organizations affected by Quebec's
act will be excluded from the application of Bill C-6 with regard
to transactions that are entirely conducted within the province.
The federal act, when it applies to Quebec and the other
provinces, will affect federally regulated businesses—notably
telephone companies, banks, airlines and interprovincial
carriers—as well as all interprovincial and international
personal data exchanges for business purposes.
This is very important, because Quebec's act does not protect
personal information about me when I do business with a company
outside the province of Quebec, or with a company that transfers
personal information about me outside Quebec for business
purposes.
The federal act will complete the protection given by Quebec's
act to consumers of that province, and I am one of them. These
acts will apply to different activities, and the federal act
will fill the gaps still existing in the coverage of the Quebec
act.
In Quebec, the federal act will affect situations where the
activities of an organization are not regulated by the access to
information commission. That relates among others to federal
businesses not regulated by the Quebec act, and to the privacy
protection problems experienced by Quebecers dealing with
businesses outside their province.
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Bill C-6 resolves problems and situations that simply cannot be
handled by provincial legislation, regardless of how carefully
it was drafted.
For example, given that data moves easily
across the borders of the 13 provinces and territories, the
privacy commissioner is in the best position to investigate
transborder problems and resolve them.
A second example will be that of a business with its head office
in Alberta, which gathers information on consumers in Quebec.
Neither province is subject to the authority of the other, a
federal system is necessary.
Quebec businesses transferring personal information within the
province and from one province to another will have no
difficulty complying with the both sets of laws.
We could identify a number of situations in which a company in
one province must act comply with two legal systems. Bill C-6
and Quebec's Bill 68 are perhaps drafted differently, but their
spirit and their effect are quite similar.
The two laws require
the companies to obtain the approval of the individual before
gathering, using or disclosing personal information on him.
Both give the individual access to personal information on him
when it is kept by organizations in the private sector.
Both laws contain provisions concerning surveillance as ensured
by the privacy commissioner and mechanisms of recourse for
individuals who have been adversely affected or believe they
have been adversely affected. But, most importantly, the rights
and obligations set out in the two laws are essentially the
same, because they have the same starting point, namely the
guidelines established by the OECD in 1980.
Naturally, there are differences, but only because of the fact
that the two laws achieve similar ends by different means. If I
want to go to the Ottawa from Montreal, I can take a number of
routes. What counts is: do I reach my destination?
Once Bill C-6 has been passed, Quebecers will have the best
protected private life in Canada, since they live in the only
province that has passed legislation to protect personal
information in the private sector.
[English]
My esteemed colleagues on the other side of the House go on and
on ad infinitum about how Bill C-6 is such a terrible bill and
about how Quebec's Bill 68 is such a great bill. I am a Quebecer
and I am quite pleased the federal government has decided to
adopt legislation that will protect my private life and my
personal information when it leaves the province. Right now I do
not have that protection under Bill 68.
Yes, Bill 68 has a disposition concerning the transfer of
information, but if I attempt to sue a company outside of Quebec
that received my personal information, I will be thrown out of
court. The first thing that will be said is that the provincial
legislation does not apply to a company that exercises its
activities outside the province. As a Quebecer I am very pleased
that my government has decided to protect the personal lives and
the private information of Quebecers, all Quebecers regardless of
their political stripe.
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[Translation]
Mr. Odina Desrochers (Lotbinière, BQ): Mr. Speaker, it is with
great pleasure that I speak on Bill C-6, the Personal
Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act.
Bill C-6, which was introduced by the industry minister on
October 15, is nothing new. It is identical to Bill C-54, which
was introduced by the federal Minister of Industry, on October
1, 1998. It fits in perfectly with the recent throne speech.
This bill, therefore, was part of the recycled material found in
the throne speech.
The government is trying two years later to make new things out
of its old 1997 stuff.
Once again, the government lacks imagination. However, it
certainly is not short on imagination when it wants to interfere
in Quebec's areas of jurisdiction. Last spring and also for the
last few days, the Bloc Quebecois has expressed its opposition
to Bill C-6.
During the fight led by my hon. colleague from Mercier, I had
the opportunity to speak two times. All Quebecers had asked that
Bill C-54 not apply in their province. The Parti Quebecois
government, along with the Conseil du Patronat, the Quebec Bar
Association, the CSN, the Chambre des notaires, and Option
Consommateurs, had asked that the bill be withdrawn. Quebecers
unanimously requested that the bill not apply in Quebec to avoid
confusion and to promote the development of electronic commerce.
It is not complicated. If the government really wanted what is
best for Quebecers, it would withdraw the bill.
I will give a few reasons.
First of all—and this is the federal Liberals' trademark—the
Minister of Industry introduced it without consulting the
provinces. This bill encroaches on provincial jurisdictions, it
is a step backwards for Quebec with regard to the protection of
personal information, and its application in Quebec will create
confusion. It is legally flawed, and it uses electronic commerce
as an excuse to make an incursion into civil law. These six
major arguments that should convince the federal Minister of
Industry to withdraw this bill.
Before my colleagues even had a chance to express their
opposition, before several of my colleagues even had the
opportunity to present their arguments, the government House
leader, true to form, with the support of his colleagues,
decided once again to bring forward a time allocation motion to
curtail debate.
Where is democracy going in this parliament? The Liberals use
this kind of motion on a regular basis to prevent democratically
elected members from speaking freely on important issues, such
as the protection of personal information.
However, many Liberal members who chair committees have
systematically leaked information to the media. Confidential
reports have been disclosed in the newspapers even before being
tabled in the House of Commons. The federal government has no
respect for democracy. It is high time parliamentarians from all
parties addressed this problem.
What are the Liberal members opposite doing to defend Quebec
with regard to Bill C-6? Nothing. They are silent on this issue,
as they are on the Onex proposal, even though 5,000 jobs are
threatened. They have nothing to say on the issue of hepatitis C
victims, on the issue of employment insurance and on the issue
of pay equity.
In 1980, Quebec had 73 Liberal members in Ottawa, 73 out of 75,
and they were also said nothing when the federal government
patriated the Constitution in 1982.
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When the very illustrious Pierre Elliott Trudeau occupied 24
Sussex, he must have said “Way to go, Jean. You are doing a
great job. The members from Quebec are keeping their mouths
shut. You can go on centralizing and doing what you want. You
can keep on walking all over Quebec. Your gang of members has
realized that your way was best”. All this is revolting. It is
revolting to realize that, generation after generation,
throughout the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, the federal Liberal
government has kept to the same party line.
Between 1968 and 1984, with the exception of the brief reign of
the Progressive Conservatives under Joe Clark, and from 1993 to
the present, Liberal members have never broken the silence
imposed on them, particularly when it comes to defending
Quebec's interests.
Fortunately, the Bloc Quebecois is there to defend those
interests. That is the Bloc Quebecois' raison d'être, and I am
proud to be a member of this team of men and women who are
fighting for Quebec.
So, as a good Liberal member, and a good minister from Ontario,
the federal Minister of Industry therefore acted unilaterally
and tabled his bill on personal information and electronic
commerce without waiting for the results of the consultation he
himself initiated.
I give you two examples. On June 12, 1998, at a meeting in
Fredericton, the ministers responsible for the information
highway agreed, and I quote from the press release given out
after the meeting:
On September 21, 1998 the federal Minister of Industry forwarded
a copy of proposed legislation to his provincial counterparts,
asking for their comments on a bill the government was getting
ready to table. But there was no follow-up.
I repeat that this government is doing everything it can to
interfere in areas that are Quebec's jurisdiction alone. The
bill introduced by the Minister of Industry to protect personal
information and electronic commerce was obviously long awaited,
but the result was a big disappointment.
In conclusion, on behalf of Quebecers and all stakeholders in
Quebec who have in turn spoken out against Bill C-54, now Bill
C-6, we are again asking the federal government to show, just
once in this legislation, just once in this Parliament, that it
is listening to Quebec and to Quebecers, and to withdraw Bill
C-6.
The Deputy Speaker: Is the House ready for the question?
Some hon. members: Question.
The Deputy Speaker: The question is on Motion No. 1. Is it the
pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Deputy Speaker: All those in favour will please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Deputy Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Deputy Speaker: In my opinion the nays have it.
And more than five members having risen:
The Deputy Speaker: The recorded division on Motion No. 1 stands
deferred.
Mr. Pierre Brien: Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. To
make your life a bit easier, if there is unanimous consent, we
could proceed on the assumption that all motions in Group No. 1
have been deemed votable and the vote deferred until tonight, as
we just did for the first motion.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed this
way?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Deputy Speaker: A recorded division is deemed to have been
requested on all votable motions and deferred.
I will now put the motions in Group No. 2 to the House.
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Mr. Pierre Brien (Témiscamingue, BQ) moved:
Mr. John Bryden (Wentworth—Burlington, Lib.) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 2, be amended by replacing line 16 on
page 1 with the following:
“character, including the selling, bartering or leasing of donor,
membership or other fundraising lists.”
Mr. Pierre Brien (Témiscamingue, BQ) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 4, be
amended by replacing line 13 on page 4 with the following:
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 4, be amended by replacing lines 14 to
17 on page 4 with the following:
“(3) Every provision of this Part applies despite any
provision, enacted after this subsection comes into force, of any
other Act of Parliament, unless the other Act expressly declares
that that provision operates despite the provision of this
Part.”
Mr. Charlie Penson (Peace River, Ref.) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 6.1, be amended
by replacing line 31 on page 4 with the following:
“6.1 For the purposes of clause 4.2.4 of Schedule 1, the
consent required before information regarding the health of an
individual can be used for a new purpose, despite having been
documented under clause 4.5.1 of that Schedule, must be expressly
stated by the individual after having been given an opportunity
by the organization to either expressly grant or deny the use for
that new purpose.”
Mr. Pierre Brien (Témiscamingue, BQ) moved:
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.) moved:
That
Bill C-6, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing lines 17 to 21 on
page 5 with the following:
“could be useful in the investigation of a contravention of the
laws of Canada, a province or a foreign jurisdiction that has
been, is being or is about to be committed, and the information
is used for the purpose of investigating that contravention;”
Mr. Charlie Penson (Peace River, Ref.) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 7, be amended
(a) by replacing line 25 on page 5 with the following:
“(c) subject to subsection (6), it is used for statistical, or
scholarly”
(b) by replacing line 23 on page 6 with the following:
“(f) subject to subsection (6), for statistical, or scholarly
study or”
(c) by adding after line 10 on page 7 the following:
“(6) For the purposes of paragraph 2(c) or (3)(f), an
organization may not use or disclose personal information
regarding the health of an individual without the knowledge or
consent of the individual unless the organization has obtained
the prior approval of the Commissioner, after having demonstrated
to the Commissioner that the organization has sufficient and
appropriate safeguards in place to ensure that the information is
adequately protected against improper use or disclose”
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.) moved:
That
Bill C-6, in Clause 7, be amended by adding after line 8 on page
6 the following:
(i) it suspects that the information relates to national
security, the defence of Canada or the conduct of international
affairs,
(ii) the disclosure is requested for the purpose of enforcing any
law of Canada, a province or a foreign jurisdiction, carrying out
an investigation relating to the enforcement of any such law or
gathering intelligence for the purpose of enforcing any such law,
or
(iii) the disclosure is requested for the purpose of
administering any law of Canada or a province;”
That
Bill C-6, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing lines 10 to 15 on
page 6 with the following:
(i) has reasonable grounds to believe that the information
relates to a breach of an agreement or a contravention of the
laws of Canada, a province or a foreign jurisdiction that has
been, is being or is about to be committed, or
(ii) suspects that the information relates to national security,
the defence of Canada or the conduct of international affairs;”
That
Bill C-6, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing line 43 on page 6
with the following:
“able and is specified by the regulations;
(h.2) made by an investigative body and the disclosure is
reasonable for purposes related to investigating a breach of an
agreement or a contravention of the laws of Canada or a province;
or”
Mr. Charlie Penson (Peace River, Ref.) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 7, be amended by
replacing line 44 on page 6 with the following:
“(3.1) Despite clause 4.4 of Schedule 1,
(a) the organization shall inform the Commissioner of the
purposes for which information regarding the health of an
individual is collected before the time of collection and the
manner in which and the time within which it is to be collected;
(b) the Commissioner may review the scope of the information
being collected and the time and manner of the proposed
collection, and may limit the collection or the time or manner of
collection if, in the Commissioner's opinion and taking into
account the identified purposes, the scope is not reasonable or
the time or manner is not fair and lawful in the circumstances;
and
(c) any information regarding the health of an individual must
not be collected or used by or disclosed to a financial
institution within the meaning of the Canada Evidence Act.”
That Bill C-6, in Clause 7, be amended by
replacing line 5 on page 7 with the following:
“(4.1) Despite clause 4.3.1 of Schedule 1, where consent
with respect to the use or disclosure of information is sought
after the information has been collected but before use, the
consent obtained by the organizations must be fully informed and
expressly given.”
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.) moved:
That
Bill C-6, in Clause 7, be amended by replacing line 10 on page 7
with the following:
Mr. Charlie Penson (Peace River, Ref.) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 7, be amended by
replacing line 10 on page 7 with the following:
“(6) For the purposes of clause 4.3 of Schedule 1, the
knowledge and consent of an individual that is required in
respect of information regarding the health of the individual is
fully informed consent, whereby the individual has been advised
adequately of the information being collected and of the persons
or group of persons from whom the information is sought, and is
given the right to examine the information before it is used or
disclosed and to withdraw consent previously given.”
That Bill C-6, in Clause 7.1, be amended
by replacing line 10 on page 7 with the following:
“7.1 For the purposes of clause 4.5.3 of Schedule 1, the
guidelines shall be developed and the procedures implemented in a
confidential manner consistent with the sensitivity of the
information.”
Mr. Pierre Brien (Témiscamingue, BQ) moved:
Mr. Charlie Penson (Peace River, Ref.) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing line 7 on
page 8 with the following:
Mr. Pierre Brien (Témiscamingue, BQ) moved:
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 9, be amended by adding after line 32
on page 8 the following:
“(2.1) An organization shall comply with subsection (2.2) if an
individual requests that the organization
(i) any disclosure of information to a government institution or
a part of a government institution under paragraph 7(3)(c),
subparagraph 7(3)(c.1)(i) or (ii) or paragraph 7(3)(d), or
(ii) the existence of any information that the organization has
relating to a disclosure referred to in subparagraph (i), to a
subpoena, warrant or order referred to in paragraph 7(3)(c) or to
a request made by a government institution or a part of a
government institution under subparagraph 7(3)(c.1)(i) or (ii);
or
(a) shall, in writing and without delay, notify the institution
or part concerned of the request made by the individual; and
(b) shall not respond to the request before the earlier of
(i) the day on which it is notified under subsection (2.3), and
(ii) thirty days after the day on which the institution or part
was notified.
(2.3) Within thirty days after the day on which it is notified
under subsection (2.2), the institution or part shall notify the
organization whether or not the institution or part objects to
the organization complying with the request. The institution or
part may object only if the institution or part is of the opinion
that compliance with the request could reasonably be expected to
be injurious to
(a) national security, the defence of Canada or the conduct of
international affairs; or
(b) the enforcement of any law of Canada, a province or a
foreign jurisdiction, an investigation relating to the
enforcement of any such law or the gathering of intelligence for
the purpose of enforcing any such law.
(2.4) Despite clause 4.9 of Schedule 1, if an organization is
notified under subsection (2.3) that the institution or part
objects to the organization complying with the request, the
organization
(a) shall refuse the request to the extent that it relates to
paragraph (2.1)(a) or to information referred to in subparagraph
(2.1)(a)(ii);
(b) shall notify the Commissioner, in writing and without delay,
of the refusal; and
(c) shall not disclose to the individual
(i) any information that the organization has relating to a
disclosure to a government institution or a part of a government
institution under paragraph 7(3)(c), subparagraph 7(3)(c.1)(i) or
(ii) or paragraph 7(3)(d) or to a request made by a government
institution or a part of a government institution under either of
those subparagraphs,
(ii) that the organization notified an
institution or part under paragraph (2.2)(a) or the Commissioner
under paragraph (b), or
(iii) that the institution or part objects.”
Mr. Pierre Brien (Témiscamingue, BQ) moved:
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 17, be amended
“(2) In any proceedings arising from an application made under
section 14 or 15, the Court shall take every reasonable
precaution, including, when appropriate, receiving
representations ex parte and conducting hearings in camera, to
avoid the disclosure by the Court or any person of any
information or other material that the organization would be
authorized to refuse to disclose if it were requested under
clause 4.9 of Schedule 1.”
Mr. Pierre Brien (Témiscamingue, BQ) moved:
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 26, be amended by replacing lines 39 to
41 on page 17 with the following:
“(a) specifying, by name or by class, what is a government
institution or part of a government institution for the purposes
of any provision of this Part;
(a.01) specifying, by name or by class, what is an investigative
body for the purposes of paragraph 7(3)(d) or (h.2);”
Mr. Pierre Brien (Témiscamingue, BQ): moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 26, be amended by replacing lines 3 to
15 on page 18 with the following:
“(2) The Governor in Council may, by order, provide that
this Part is binding on any agent of Her Majesty in right of
Canada to which the Privacy Act does not apply.”
That Bill C-6, in Clause 29, be amended by replacing lines 30 to
32 on page 19 with the following:
“House of Commons that may be designated or established by that
House for that purpose.”
He said: Mr. Speaker, we have now come to Group No. 2 of motions
in amendments to Bill C-6, which replaces former Bill C-54.
First, I would like to say how sorry I am that the government
has imposed closure on this extremely important bill. As we
were about to embark on very important discussions on the group
of amendments before us, the government decided it had had
enough. It did not want to hear about it any more.
Even though the bill is full of holes, duplicates jurisdictions
and creates huge application problems in Quebec, the government
decided yesterday, by means of a time allocation motion, which
we voted on earlier, that there would be essentially no debate
on it and that it would not be debated here any more in the
coming days.
However, this bill is of great concern. Some of the motions we
are currently debating come from the government. Specifically,
they are Motions Nos. 15 and 16, which refer to a very large
elastic to permit the government to be excluded from the
application of the bill.
I will explain. Originally, the bill provided that there could
be exceptions to the protection of personal information, for
bodies investigating offences, for example. These people would
not be required to comply with the law on personal privacy.
During consideration in committee, this became much broader,
going from exempting the people doing the investigations to
exempting people investigating activities suspected of posing a
threat to Canada's security.
At this stage, the committee decided on a much broader
definition of possible exemptions with respect to personal
information. Yet this is a bill that should promote the
protection of personal information. Now, the government is
starting to broaden the definition of possible exceptions.
After consideration in committee, and after the witnesses had
been heard from, the government came up with other amendments.
It is important that this be understood. These are amendments
which witnesses who appeared before the committee were not given
an opportunity to comment on.
The exemptions to the application of this legislation are still
being extended.
As if by chance, the exemption is being further stretched to
take in federal institutions or subdivisions thereof. This
would mean that now they could be exempted from protecting
personal information when they request it for three reasons:
national defence, the conduct of foreign affairs, and national
security.
When there is a suspicion, not when there is an infraction, but
when there is a suspicion. Who is going to define suspicion?
Who is going to get up one fine morning and say that they
suspect sovereignists in Quebec of threatening national security
and that they therefore want particular information about them?
So, federally regulated companies governed by this legislation,
such as a communications company, or CSIS, or just anybody can
announce one day that they want information.
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They request this information from one of these businesses, and
it should provide information on e-mail sent, for example that
relating to other businesses in the transportation field such as
private shipping companies. The federal government could
require a private company to provide a list of deliveries made,
where they were made, and what kind of item was sent.
Who is going to define what suspicion is? Who is going to
define what national security is?
This bill had a definition that was very restrictive to begin
with, and has now become too broad.
Just as we happen to be about to begin discussing these
provisions, here comes another gag order to stop us from doing
so, to limit the time we will have for discussion, to ensure
that the bill is pushed through, while there are still very
legitimate concerns on the table which the government ought to
respond to.
It is all very fine to say that there was a parliamentary
committee, but the last series of amendments came along after
the committee hearing stage. The witnesses did not, therefore,
have access to these amendments when they came to testify. >I am
convinced that a number of groups have reservations, and a
number of individuals have fears as well.
I listened to the Liberal member who said a while ago that now
she would feel better protected.
Not me. I do not feel better protected. In Quebec, I lived
under legislation that was already in place on the protection of
personal information. Now there is duplicate federal
legislation, except that it is full of loopholes and flaws,
which might tempt the government to try some political
manoeuvring with the provisions in its legislation. That is
extremely worrisome.
As well, the government is using different concepts in its
amendments. At one point it speaks of reasonable grounds to
believe, while at other points, such as the one I have just
referred to, it refers merely to suspicion. For infractions,
reasonable grounds are required, while for national security a
mere suspicion would suffice.
CSIS tried to infiltrate the Reform Party because it was deemed
a threat to national security. Where is that going to stop? I
would think Quebec sovereignists have good reasons to believe
this bill could lead to considerable abuse.
For example, if my riding association transfers information to
the national headquarters of our party and sends the membership
list through a company like Bell or Sympatico e-mail, this
information could become available. If they want to get it, they
will have access to it. The organization or individual concerned
would not even know. They would not be informed.
But that is not all.
If an individual thinks some federal organization is looking for
information on him or her and asks a private company whether it
has transferred personal information to that organization, the
authorization of the person who has requested the information
from the company before giving an answer to that individual.
Let me go back to my example. CSIS makes a request to get
information on what I send by e-mail through Bell or Vidéotron. I
then ask the company whether it has given any information to
CSIS. The answer I would get is that they have to get an
authorization from CSIS before they can give me that
information. That is quite something when one realizes this is a
bill that should protect personal information.
The door is wide open. Someone might say “The risk of abuse is
real.
We should take another look at this”. Well, now is the time to
do it, not once the bill is in effect.
This does not change anything to the rest of our complaints
about the fact that there already exists appropriate legislation
in Quebec. The Barreau du Québec, the Chambre des notaires du
Québec, the Conseil du patronat and the CSN, which came to
testify before the committee, all said “Do not create a
duplicate jurisdiction in Quebec, but recognize instead the
primacy of Quebec's law”.
Several of the Bloc Quebecois amendments included in the group
that we are debating seek to confirm the primacy of the Quebec
law in that area. The federal government could easily decide
that in a province—namely Quebec—where legislation protecting
personal information already exists, it applies and even
federally regulated businesses are subject to it.
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This is what the Quebec bar association proposed in its brief.
It said that, rather than do the opposite and come up with its
own legislation to intrude into provincial jurisdictions, the
federal government should recognize what already exists in
Quebec and ensure that the provincial legislation also applies
to federally regulated businesses. That would solve the problem.
But instead, the government is driven by a desire to be more
involved, to have more control, to have its own legislation,
always for noble reasons, such as the fact that no such
legislation exists outside Quebec.
This is not Quebecers' fault. Our legislation is one of the few,
in fact the only one in North America, currently in effect.
If the other provinces take five years to react, it certainly is
not our fault and we do not have to pay for it. This provincial
jurisdiction was already being exercised by one government that
had decided to legislate. As far as I know, the government of
Quebec also plans to improve its law soon. It is already very
good, but it has to be amended to take the fast evolution of
electronic commerce into account.
In closing, I really wonder what the motives of the government
were, when it cut discussion of this bill short. I am convinced
that the government will not respond to what has just been said
on possible abuse and failure to abide by the rules governing
protection of personal information for reasons of national
security or other reasons. I am convinced that the members will
not deal with all those important issues, which deserve a
response.
The government must seek further advice from the stakeholders.
It should do its work properly, not push the bill through by
Friday, thereby preventing in-depth discussion of its provisions.
I am extremely concerned when I see a government that wants to
be seen as protecting personal information but leaves the bill
riddled with loopholes, particularly for its own ends.
If the law is good for everybody, how is it that the government
is trying to be exempt from its provisions or to exempt some of
its components or activities from them?
I think there is reason to be worried.
We will obviously oppose some of the government's amendments in
this group. We urge the House to support our own amendments,
whose purpose is to have the primacy of the Quebec law
recognized and to solve at least this part of the problem raised
by Bill C-6.
[English]
Mr. John Cannis (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of
Industry, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, when it comes to discussing
time, let me point out that plenty of time was allocated to
discuss the bill in the last session.
With respect to discussing the second group of motions, I am
puzzled about how the Bloc can deny all Canadians the opportunity
to provide this privacy protection which they need, have been
asking for and of course deserve. That is why Motion No. 3 must
be rejected.
Motion No. 4 clarifies that even non-profit and charitable
sectors of our economy, when engaged in commercial activities
such as the barter and sale of membership and donor lists, are
covered by the bill. This is a very good motion and one which we
should support. I congratulate my colleague the member for
Wentworth—Burlington for his creativity and insight in bringing
forward this motion.
With Motion No. 6 the Bloc again would have us deny Canadians
the personal information protection they have been calling for.
Therefore we must reject this motion.
Motions Nos. 7 and 46 will undermine the protection that is
given to Canadians by Bill C-6. We will not ignore the needs and
expectations of all Canadians to have their information and
privacy protected with an effective law.
Motion No. 8 will clarify that part 1 of the bill will prevail
over subsequent legislation only unless the subsequent
legislation specifically provides otherwise. It also clarifies
that part 1 prevails over amendments to existing legislation
unless the amending act provides otherwise. I urge members to
support this motion also.
Motions Nos. 11, 14, 18 and 19 introduce a subclass of personal
information. Bill C-6 affords the same level of protection to
all personal information and we must therefore reject these
motions.
Motion No. 12 is clearly a delaying tactic on behalf of the Bloc
and cannot be accepted.
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There are five motions to amend clause 7 of Bill C-6 which are
closely related, Motion Nos. 13, 15, 16, 17 and 20. These
amendments make changes to three existing provisions and
introduce two new provisions in order to ensure that Canadian law
enforcement and other investigatory bodies continue to carry out
their mandate in the manner they currently do.
Motion No. 13 to amend clause 7(2)(a) broadens the type of
offences that organizations can investigate using personal
information without consent where they believe there has been a
contravention of the law.
Motion No. 15 will add new paragraph (c.1) to clause 7(3) to
allow disclosure of personal information without consent to
government institutions which require the information in order to
undertake investigations or enforce or administer laws at the
discretion of organizations. This new paragraph clarifies for
organizations the circumstances under which they may accede at
their discretion to the legitimate requests of government
institutions for personal information, for national security, law
enforcement and administrative purposes where they have lawful
authority. This amendment allows the status quo to continue.
The intent of the bill is to regulate the commercial use of
personal information. For instance, in the case of the publicly
funded health care system, the bill is not intended to impede the
flow of information necessary for the protection of patients'
health and the improvement of the administration of health care.
To clarify this, the minister tabled this amendment on October 15
which specifically addresses the need to share information
without consent when it is necessary for the administration of a
law or a program.
The information highway offers opportunities to improve the
efficiency and accountability of our health care system.
Organizations like the Canadian Institute for Health Information
assists in this endeavour.
Bill C-6 is intended to facilitate these initiatives as it
provides a basic set of fair information practices around which
all stakeholders can harmonize. In the pursuit of a harmonized
privacy protection regime for Canada, we encourage all the
provinces and territories to move swiftly to legislate broadly in
their own jurisdictions.
Motion No. 16 to amend clause 7(3)(d) reflects the previous two
amendments in Motions Nos. 2 and 3 for the purpose of
consistency. It will continue to allow disclosures by
organizations on their own initiative to national security and
law enforcement agencies where the organization has reasonable
grounds to believe there has been a contravention of a law or a
breach of an agreement. This amendment requires a consequential
amendment to clause 7(5) which is contained in Motion No. 20.
I urge members to support Motion Nos. 13, 15, 16, 17 and 20
which merely codify the status quo and allow businesses to
continue to co-operate with law enforcement agencies where
appropriate. These amendments do not grant new powers to
government institutions nor do they create additional burdens on
businesses. I urge members to vote in support of Motion Nos. 13,
15, 16, 17 and 20.
Motion No. 21 must be rejected because Bill C-6 gives all
personal information the same protection. We will not treat one
class differently from another. Motion No. 22 attempts the same
thing and must also be rejected.
With Motions Nos. 23 and 25 the Bloc is continuing with its
delay tactics. Therefore I recommend that these motions be
rejected.
Motion No. 24 must also be rejected because Bill C-6 already
deals with this specific issue.
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Motion No. 26 would amend the bill by detailing the particular
circumstances in which a company would not reveal information to
an individual, following his or her request for access to his or
her personal information, the fact that a national security or
law enforcement agency had contacted the company and the
procedures that must be followed in such instances.
Where a government institution objects to disclosure because an
investigation or national security would be compromised and the
organization denies access of this information to an individual
because an investigation or national security could be
compromised, the organization must notify the privacy
commissioner in writing and without delay of refusal.
These amendments do not provide law enforcement with additional
powers. Moreover, the amendments do not restrict the
individual's access to his or her personal information collected
by the company. These amendments simply safeguard
investigations. For these reasons, these amendments must be
supported by all members.
We must reject Motion No. 34. As I have said before, the Bloc
does not want to give all Canadians the privacy protection they
have called for.
Motion No. 35 will amend clause 17 and will provide that federal
court hearings under part 1 of Bill C-6 be conducted with every
reasonable precaution to avoid disclosure of any information that
an organization could refuse to disclose to an individual. It
clarifies that the court can receive representation ex parte and
conduct hearings in camera in these circumstances. We must
support the motion.
The Bloc is using delay tactics with Motion No. 44 and I
recommend that we reject the motion.
Motion No. 45 to amend clause 26 allows the governor in council
to make regulations specifying, by name or by class, what is a
government institution or part of a government institution for
the purpose of part 1. It also clarifies that the specification
of an investigative body for the purpose of part 1 can also be
done by name or by class.
[Translation]
The Deputy Speaker: I am sorry, but the hon. parliamentary
secretary's time is up.
[English]
Mr. Charlie Penson (Peace River, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I am
happy to take part in the debate today on part 2 amendments to
Bill C-6 which was formerly Bill C-54.
This is a fairly new area for me. I just became the industry
critic for the official opposition about a week ago. The former
critic, my colleague from Edmonton—Strathcona, has done some
excellent work in this area. I know he has the support of a lot
of advocacy groups that would like to see some changes made to
the bill. I will talk about them in a few moments.
When I was following the bill in my capacity as a trade critic
for our party, I thought it would deal essentially with the
e-commerce aspect. If there was to be a privacy bill, I thought
that it would be a stand alone bill. I would have preferred if
that had been the case. We know there is a need to update
Canada's law with regard to electronic commerce. Technology has
passed a lot of things by. There is product moving around the
world on aircraft these days, such as UPS which wants to have
electronic signatures which will speed up the whole area of
getting paid faster and so on.
The bill is essentially divided into two areas, privacy and
electronic commerce. I will deal specifically with the part 2
amendments. We will be supporting the government amendments
because they will clarify the bill, make it easier to understand
and make sure the privacy aspect is respected.
We will not be supporting the Bloc on its amendments because we
see them as a delaying tactic.
However, I do have some sympathy for the Bloc members' concerns
about the federal government again muscling its way into
provincial jurisdiction and not using a co-operative approach. It
is deplorable that it would rather use the stick than the carrot
to achieve its goals. I suggest the government should learn that
we can get a lot further with the carrot approach.
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I have concerns regarding what I would see as provincial
jurisdictions in a few areas that the federal government is
moving into. The federal government has moved, with its
jurisdictional levers in using the hammer approach on the
trade and commerce aspect, by saying that if it cannot get
co-operation it will do it on its own and if they do not put in
legislation within a three year timeframe, federal legislation
will to apply. That is a pretty crude instrument to use.
I am concerned that the provinces will need to introduce privacy
information and legislation in the area of health care and all
the social areas that the public is so concerned about. We need
privacy surrounding medical records and records in terms of who
is on social welfare. Those kind of things need to be introduced
quickly by the provinces to protect that area.
We know the federal government has moved in the area of health
care that is within its jurisdiction. It is nibbling at the
edges, but if the provinces do not put in their own legislation,
it is not clear what will happen in the area of health care
privacy as introduced in the bill.
Quite frankly, a lot of people have good reason to not trust the
government as to what its intentions are. We saw it muscle into
provincial jurisdiction over the years. The Liberal Party has
been in power for 70 years this century. We have seen the amount of
workload and the number of bureaucrats increase. It is partly
because it has muscled into provincial areas of jurisdiction.
The old BNA of 1867 was pretty clear on what that jurisdiction
was and that needs to be respected. I think we would have a lot
stronger country for it. However, because it is not clear, it is
important that the provinces act on their own to protect those
interests.
I am concerned about the use of time allocation again. I know
there is a bit of a filibuster going on by the Bloc members. I
think they have some reason to do that because of this idea of
getting into the area of provincial jurisdiction. However, we
have to remind the Liberal government that it is soon going to be
approaching the Brian Mulroney record of 65 time allocations. I
think this is the 55th time in six years that this Liberal
government has restricted parliament by the use of time
allocation. Mulroney took nine years to get to 65. The Liberals
are going to beat him to it. They sat on this side of the House
when they were in opposition and deplored it, as well they
should, but they are now using the same blunt tactics again.
I want to get to the point about the amendments that my
colleague from Edmonton—Strathcona has introduced which will
help clarify some of the social areas regarding health and health
information. They are Motions Nos. 11, 14, 18, 19, 21, 22 and
24. I will take a moment to outline the general thrust of those
motions.
Those proposed amendments would require organizations to obtain
an individual's fully informed and expressed consent before using
personal health information for a new purpose that is
substantially different from the purpose which the information
which was originally collected. The Liberals may argue that this
protection already exists in the legislation, but our goal is to
make sure that it exists. We think these amendments move to
strengthen that, in particular with respect to health
information.
The proposed amendments will also require that any
non-consensual of disclosure of personal health information for
research and scholarly purposes be approved in advance by the
privacy commissioner. This would provide the necessary balance
between the need for available research data and the right to
privacy. The Liberals may again argue that they do not want to
give the privacy commissioner binding powers.
The proposed amendments would prohibit the outright disclosure
of personal health information to financial institutions. This
is a very strong proposal that would ensure that banks do not
attempt to collect health information that could be used to
refuse mortgages and other financial services. We think that
those amendments will strengthen the legislation.
In principle, we support Bill C-6 and we are going to be
supporting those portions of it that we think are helpful.
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There is a fine balance as we move to the new technologies.
Information technology is advancing very quickly, for example the
Internet. I know that it is a fine balance to try to strike that
there should be open and free discussion, free speech. We do
believe that the government has an obligation to protect the
privacy of our citizens and therefore support the broad thrust of
Bill C-6.
I want to just point out in the time I have left that my
colleague for Edmonton—Strathcona has had pretty broad support
for his amendments. I would urge the government to take that
into account and vote for them this afternoon.
I want to read two endorsements I picked out of several. They
are still referring to the previous title of the bill, Bill C-54,
which is now Bill C-6. Philipa Lawson, a consumer advocate with
the Public Interest Advocacy Centre, who has been closely
following the progress of Bill C-54, which is now Bill C-6,
writes to me saying that the Reform Party deserves to be
congratulated for its important new amendments. He states that
our personal health information is among the most sensitive and
private information about us. It is highly vulnerable to abuse
and therefore deserves special legal protection.
I have another endorsement from Thomas B. Riley, the chair of
the Canada's Coalition for Public Information. He states, “I
am writing to express our support for the amendments to Bill C-54
that Rahim Jaffer, the member of parliament for
Edmonton—Strathcona, is proposing to table in the House of
Commons. We believe in the importance of Bill C-54 and the
importance of adding amendments related to health information”.
I would suggest that there is a number of groups that believe it
is important to strengthen the legislation to make absolutely
sure that health care, health information and the social area
information is not being abused. I believe these amendments
would strengthen it. I would therefore ask that the government
put its support behind these important amendments to strengthen
the legislation.
The Deputy Speaker: I would simply advise hon. members,
and I know the hon. member for Peace River will be particularly
interested, that I myself ran into difficulty when quoting works
with members names in the works. Members cannot quote something
and thereby use a members name when they are not permitted to do
it directly. I would urge hon. members to refrain from
mentioning one another by name and stick with the constituency
name or title as required under the rules.
Mr. John Bryden (Wentworth—Burlington, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, I am very pleased to rise in the debate. I am speaking
to Motion No. 4, an amendment which I put to the legislation.
I am confident that this amendment will have the support of all
sides of the House. I look forward to the report stage vote to
see whether indeed all members support Motion No. 4, if I may
advertise it.
I believe my amendment addresses one of the nastier problems in
society, the problem of fundraising and donor lists being sold
and bartered across various organizations leading to immense
quantities of junk mail that we all receive and everyone is
inflicted with.
I live in a village in central Canada. Just a few weeks ago I
received an unsolicited phone call. It was from a woman asking
me to donate to I think it was the wheelchair handicap society. I
asked her where she was calling from and she said that she was
calling from Halifax. We exchanged a few pleasantries about the
weather, then I asked her how she got my name, seeing that I was
in central Canada, and she said that I was on her list.
My amendment addresses the issue of how I came to be on that
list and how people, how relatives and how senior citizens come
to be on lists where they receive unwanted solicitations,
unsought solicitations and solicitations that often cost them a
great deal of money.
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Now for the evidence, and I have evidence. For instance, I have
here before me an Internet bulletin that was directed toward the
Canadian Direct Marketing Association. It quotes a broker for
direct market lists. This person says that some of the best
lists to get hold of if one wants to sell a product by direct
marketing or telemarketing are for example The Economist,
The Financial Post, Scientific American or Télémédia,
or the Wellness Letter.
We can say fine, the legislation as it exists does cover
organizations such as those because they are commercial
organizations and consequently they will be required to obey the
provisions in this privacy act. However, this individual is
advising fundraising organizations, primarily charities. He went
on to say that he feels that organizations should also consider
renting their donor lists because it is already happening in the
U.S.A. He cites the American Lung Association, Greenpeace and the
March of Dimes.
That article appeared on the Internet in 1995. I can imagine
that a great deal of progress has been made in Canada toward
organizations, charities and non-profit organizations, selling
their lists without, I would point out, the consent of the people
who have contributed to those organizations.
Indeed by coincidence, I have a proposal from a direct marketing
firm in Maryland, U.S.A. to Mothers Against Drunk Driving, which
is a Canadian charity. This is a proposal on how the
organization, if it can get the donor list of MADD Canada, can
sell to that list with various advantages to MADD Canada. In
fact MADD Canada does not have to put up any money. There is a
procedure whereby the telemarketer covers its costs before the
charity receives the benefit of the telemarketing campaign.
There is an interesting clause. This is a letter of intent.
This organization called Creative Direct Response Inc. of
Maryland is proposing to MADD that ownership of a client's donor
file, that is the list of donors, shall be vested exclusively in
MADD Canada at all times. That sounds good. Then it goes on to
say that MADD Canada agrees that while the file is theirs at all
times, CDR has a lien against MADD Canada's donor file until all
mailing lists outlined above are paid up in full. What is a lien?
A lien is possession. It is a payment. It is obtaining
something for pay, for barter. Barter.
I also happen to have a list of some of the Canadian
organizations that have dealt with Creative Direct Response Inc.
of the United States. We have to assume that these organizations
have come to some sort of agreement similar to what was offered
to MADD Canada. It is called the Canadian exchange list summary.
Of course, when we are talking about exchange, we are not
necessarily talking about the exchange of money. We are talking
about the exchange of lists for the purposes of making money. I
think the term that would cover that is barter. They are
bartering something.
Here is an example of some of the organizations that have bought
into this arrangement with Creative Direct Response Inc. of the
United States. We have here the Canadian Association of the
Deaf, the Canadian Blind Sports Association, the Canadian Centre
for Victims of Torture, the Canadian Civil Liberties Association
and the Canadian Corporate Donors. I wonder how they got that
list and I wonder if the corporate donors know they are on the
list. There is also the Canadian Environmental Defence Fund the
Canadian Federation of Humane Societies and so on.
And what do we have here? We have the B.C. NDP as well, and if
I turn the page, we have the Ontario NDP. Those are two
political parties. I have to be fair here because we can also
find the Ontario Liberals. We have to be careful that we do not
throw stones around here, because I think if one examined the
donor lists, the exchange lists of other telemarketing
organizations, one would find pretty well all the political
parties.
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The point of all this is that these names are appearing on these
lists without the knowledge of the people who are actually
contributing to the organizations. The situation is that one may
give money or take out a membership in a union or a political
party or some other type of organization and that organization
may be selling that list to other organizations. Indeed they may
be selling that list abroad to the United States.
I must hasten to add incidentally that MADD Canada did not go
through with the deal. That is very praiseworthy of Mothers
Against Drunk Driving. I would only wish that the many
organizations on this list I was citing had shown the same type
of prudence, shall we say, and responsibility as MADD Canada and
not gotten into this type of arrangement.
At any rate with the bill itself, I am going to explain briefly
how my amendment works. If we look through the bill we will find
that clause 16 gives the penalties that exist in the bill.
Basically, it says the court has the option of awarding damages
to whoever complains under the conditions of the bill, including
damages for humiliation the complainant has suffered. That may
be very important when it comes to unwanted solicitations.
We are working backward. The next section that is relevant is
schedule 1 in the bill. It describes principally what the bill
does. It states what the terms of privacy are that must be
fulfilled by the various organizations covered by the bill. I
think the most important principle in this bill that is covered
in schedule 1 is the idea that when organizations use personal
information, they must get the consent of the people they are
getting that information from. That is very clearly spelled out
in schedule 1, section 4.3.1.
The section just above that also stresses in the case of mailing
lists, which is what I was just talking about, organizations
providing the list should be expected to obtain consent before
disclosing the list of personal information to other
organizations.
Then we come to my amendment. It amends in clause 2 the
definition “commercial activity” which means any particular
transaction, act or conduct that is of a commercial character and
adds the words “including the selling, bartering or leasing of
donor, membership or other fundraising lists”. Checkmate.
Mr. Nelson Riis (Kamloops, Thompson and Highland Valleys,
NDP): Mr. Speaker, I am delighted to speak this afternoon to
this group of motions.
I want to say from the very start that the New Democrats
actually applaud the efforts of the Reform members of parliament
to strengthen Bill C-6 to protect medical privacy. We believe
these motions are extremely important because medical records
contain the most intimate, personal, potentially embarrassing and
stigmatizing information that is ever collected about us, Mr.
Speaker. You know that situation from your own experience. It
affects all of us since at some point in our lives we all seek
medical care of one kind or another.
These motions are extremely important because medical
information is very vulnerable to abuse, which I suppose is the
quiet theme throughout Bill C-6. We must remember that the
primary purpose for collecting personal medical information from
the patient is for the clinical diagnosis and treatment of that
patient. This is the reason we confide information to our
physician in the first place. If we cannot trust our physicians
or medical clinics to keep highly sensitive and personal facts
confidential, a crucial foundation of the relationship between
the patient and the doctor is undermined. If that happens,
patients will be less willing to divulge personal information and
this could affect the diagnosis and treatment.
These motions before us underline exactly what is at stake for
patients in this debate. The decisions we take on these motions
as policymakers could have a profound impact on the delivery and
quality of health care in our country. We New Democrats believe
that there can be no trade-offs in this debate. There can be no
balancing of medical privacy with other competing interests.
Trade-offs do not serve the patients or the medical establishment
at all. Patients are owed the right of confidentiality and we
must ensure that this is enforced.
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We support the Reform motions that seek to guarantee each
patient in the country the right to medical privacy.
We strongly support Motion No. 18 which prohibits financial
institutions from obtaining the personal medical information of
citizens. They do not need this information and can only very
weakly attempt to argue that they need access to this type of
personal information about Canadian individuals.
New Democrats believe that simply because of changes in
technology, in other words the computerization of medical
records, patient privacy or values should not be compromised.
We will support the Reform motions that make a significant
effort toward strengthening the provisions of Bill C-6 in respect
of medical privacy.
I now refer to some of the Liberal motions. I know you study
the motions carefully, Mr. Speaker. These motions respond to a
concern raised by government and law enforcement agencies in
respect to investigations. We support these motions because they
are needed in order to maintain the status quo when it comes to
government and law enforcement investigative procedures.
Earlier today we expressed concern about this because we have
heard that the funding for the RCMP investigation branch in
British Columbia is woefully short of money. It is to the point
where a spokesperson for RCMP Division E on the west coast of
Canada said they would have to call off police investigations
because they simply did not have the financial resources to
proceed.
This sends a very inappropriate signal to those in society who
we consider to be unscrupulous people, people who are con artists
or swindlers of one kind or another. Basically it says that in
British Columbia if people who are participating in some illegal
or fraudulent activity, stock market manipulations or swindling
get caught, which is highly unlikely, even then probably nothing
will happen to them because the RCMP simply does not have the
resources to proceed with an investigation.
As members of parliament we have to listen to this RCMP
spokesperson. We all know RCMP officers or members of their
families. They are reluctant to complain publicly about anything
to do with their effectiveness as police officers or their
ability to enforce the law. Therefore when a spokesperson for the
Royal Canadian Mounted Police writes a letter and makes it public
to say that he is sorry that they cannot uphold the law in that
part of Canada, then there is something terribly wrong. That is
an RCMP officer's way of screaming to the public. We would think
that writing a letter is still pretty quiet but for the RCMP this
is a major statement that they are in serious financial trouble.
I know you are deeply concerned, Mr. Speaker. I know that you
are often troubled about these sorts of issues, but let us face
it. It is something that we have to take a lot more seriously.
I urge the solicitor general to give this more thought.
Going back to the Liberal motions before us, I want to make it
very clear that the New Democrats will support these motions.
They are needed in order to maintain the situation now when it
comes to investigative police work. These motions basically mean
that private groups must disclose, without consent, personal
information on citizens to government and law enforcement
agencies when they are requested to do so for investigative
purposes in the interest of national security.
Ideally, to be fair, New Democrats would prefer that if law
enforcement agencies ask for personal information on citizens
that they be required to obtain a search warrant and establish
reasonable grounds for both the need and the purpose of obtaining
the personal information. However, in this case we believe it is
more important that Bill C-6 be passed now and that consumers be
given the privacy protection they deserve which in our judgment
is what this bill does. We would like to see it a lot tougher
but it is not a perfect world.
We will certainly not be an obstacle to law enforcement agencies
carrying out their responsibilities. I want to make it clear
that while we support the Reform and Liberal motions, we would
like to see the bill strengthened in a number of areas to ensure
greater privacy protection on behalf of Canadians. However, it
is a significant step in the right direction.
We are dealing here with what can only be described as the
modern day version of the industrial revolution.
We are changing the way Canadians do business. We are changing
the way we as individuals conduct our business affairs.
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When it comes to electronic commerce, where on a daily basis we
are seeing seven people signing every second of the day on to the
Internet, there is a small but very significant revolution taking
place before us. I suppose like most revolutions we often do not
know they are taking place until they are kind of over and we
realize there has been a major revolution or a major change in
the way things have occurred.
We are in one of these processes. As we attempt to become one
of or perhaps the most electronically connected country in the
world, providing leadership to other countries in terms of what
to do, Bill C-6 is a major step in that direction. It indicates
as a priority the need to protect the privacy of information and
to ensure people feel secure that when they provide information
electronically they will not be revealing anything they are not
intending to reveal.
Mr. Jim Jones (Markham, PC): Mr. Speaker, on behalf of
the PC Party of Canada I am pleased to speak to this group of
amendments to Bill C-6, the personal information and electronic
documents act.
Before I comment on this group of motions, I would like to
welcome the member for Kamloops, Thompson and Highland Valley as
the new NDP member, the member for Peace River as the Reform
member and the member for Témiscamingue as the new Bloc member of
the industry committee. I know we share many political views. In
a lot of ways we do not agree, but I look forward to their active
involvement and participation in the committee.
Unlike the Group No. 1 motions which consisted exclusively of
amendments of my Bloc colleague, Group No. 2 motions comprise
amendments of a variety of members both from the government and
the opposition. I will try to address as many of the amendments
as possible during my 10 minutes.
I should like to differentiate from the Bloc on one of its
amendments. Motion No. 51 would amend clause 29 which deals with
a mandatory review of the act every five years. On a side note,
I find it interesting that the Liberal government would support
this clause when the government House leader recently expressed
his discomfort with mandatory statutory reviews.
Motion No. 51 from the member for Témiscamingue would delete the
reference to a statutory review by a committee of both houses of
parliament, opting instead for a committee exclusively of the
House of Commons. This is just the latest example of needless
Senate bashing.
Senators have made valuable contributions to joint committees,
the latest example being the joint committee on child custody and
access. Were it not for the battle waged by Conservative
senators and courageous Liberal senators like Senator Anne Cools
during the last parliament, we would not have had the review of
the Divorce Act as it relates to child custody and access.
I therefore do not feel that we should tie the hands of future
members of parliament and future governments by not allowing them
to review their statutes with their colleagues in the upper
house.
Nobody disagrees that the Senate as currently constituted needs
to be changed, but until that happens let us not prevent senators
from making meaningful contributions to our system of government.
For example, the House Standing Committee on Industry heard from
three noted constitutional law experts: Roger Tassé, Jacques
Frémont, and Claude Massé. With all due respect to my committee
colleagues, we would have benefited from having a noted
constitutional law expert like Conservative Senator Gérald
Beaudoin asking questions of these benefits. Let us oppose
Motion No. 51 to keep the door open for Senate expertise on
statutory review.
I commend my Reform colleague from Peace River for the
amendments he brought forward under Group No. 2. They reflect a
concern expressed by several health care organizations, several
of which I had the pleasure of meeting prior to their appearance
before the industry committee. The amendments clarify the
definition of personal information and disclosure as they relate
to the health care field.
I recognize that the Ontario government would prefer this
definition to be left with provincial governments. I agree, but
I worry what will happen to medical practitioners if this law
passes without some guidance as to their use of personal
information.
The PC Party of Canada will offer guarded support to Motions
Nos. 11, 18, 19, 21, 22 and 24.
This position is not my first choice. The federal government
should have sat down with the provinces and territories to
negotiate a harmonized definition of personal information as it
relates to health care, but by and large the Liberals refuse to
compromise or co-operate. As I did during my remarks on Group
No. 1, I will give credit where credit is due to the government
on its amendments in Group No. 2.
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Many in the insurance and law enforcement community objected to
the overrestrictive provisions on the disclosure and use of
personal information. They were concerned this would seriously
hamper efforts to fight crime or cases of insurance fraud. I was
pleased to reinforce the concerns expressed by organizations such
as the Insurance Bureau of Canada. With this in mind I trust
with these amendments we have struck a better balance for all
concerned parties.
We in the PC Party believe in the need for personal privacy
legislation, but we do not feel the government has adequately
taken into account the views and concerns of the Ontario and
Quebec governments. We do not feel it has adequately considered
the cost impact of the new regulatory regime of Bill C-6 on the
private sector.
In many ways this is a frustrating process for the simple reason
that we in the Progressive Conservative caucus support the aims
and principles of what Bill C-6 is trying to accomplish. However
it cannot be lost to even the casual observer that the Liberal
government is zealously attempting to buck the reality of our
economy. The reality is that our neighbour to the south is our
biggest trading partner. No amount of wishful thinking on the
part of xenophobic colleagues across the way will change that.
Our tax regime is oppressive when compared to that of the United
States. Thus foreign investment dollars end up south of the 49th
parallel.
On the brain drain which the government has ridiculed as being a
figment of our imagination, it was refreshing to see that it woke
up long enough to address it in the throne speech last week.
Brain drain is another natural consequence of Canadian politics
being out of step with that of our American colleagues. It is
simple cause and effect. That is why I have tried in vain to
convince my Liberal colleagues on the industry committee that by
pushing through the electronic commerce bill, a bill modelled on
the European approach and in direct opposition to the American
approach, we are headed for a competitive headache.
Foolishly I had hoped that the long summer break and extended
delay caused by the prorogation of the House would have motivated
the minister to take the time to try to improve Bill C-6.
Unfortunately we still have a bill that deliberately antagonizes
Quebec, Ontario and the United States as well as scores of
associations whose well-intentioned submissions to our committee
were ignored. Arrogance remains the order of the day.
Ms. Susan Whelan (Essex, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I am pleased
to speak to the Group No. 2 proposed amendments to Bill C-6, the
personal information protection and electronic documents act. The
majority of the Standing Committee on Industry of which I was
chair in the last session strongly supported Bill C-54, which is
now Bill C-6.
In the last session from December 1, 1998 to March 18, 1999 the
committee held 28 hearings and heard from more than 70
organizations, producing over 45 hours of testimony outlining the
merits and deficiencies of the bill. Bill C-54, as it was
referred to in the last session, was then deliberated in
committee on three separate occasions for more than eight hours.
The committee put forth more than 50 improvements to the bill and
passed these amendments on March 25, 1999. I had the privilege
to report the bill back to the House as amended on Tuesday, April
13, 1999,
The privacy commissioner was one of many witnesses who told us
why the bill was so important. In his first appearance at
committee he noted:
I support and my office supports this bill. It is in my opinion,
long overdue. If fills a necessary gap in the protection of data
in the Canadian community. It recognizes the necessity to
establish legal privacy rights for citizens of this country, no
matter where they live or in what particular activity they are
engaged. It puts Canada close to the same level of privacy
recognition and data protection that now exists in almost all of
western industrialized Europe and various other jurisdictions. It
puts us ahead of the game with the United States.
Bill C-6 is intended to protect personal information in the
private sector and to give electronic signatures a basis in law.
It provides clear ground rules for business and helps improve
consumer confidence, resulting in an environment that will foster
the growth of electronic commerce in Canada.
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The purpose of the bill is to establish rules to govern the
collection, use and disclosure of personal information in a
manner that recognizes the right of privacy of all individuals
and the need of organizations to collect, use or disclose
personal information for a reasonable purpose. This is necessary
in an era in which technology increasingly facilitates the
collection and exchange of information.
As I mentioned earlier, the purpose of the committee's hearings
was to listen to expert witnesses from various sectors of
industry to determine how the bill could be improved to ensure
the individual's right to protective privacy and industry's
ability to make an honest living.
Consequently many changes and suggestions were made. To begin
the committee added the definition of commercial activity to
subclause 2(1). The committee heard from Anne Cavoukian, the
privacy commissioner of Ontario, that the definition was
necessary to distinguish commercial activities from
non-commercial activities.
The B.C. Civil Liberties Association and the Public Interest
Advocacy Centre stated that such a definition was necessary. As
the Public Interest Advocacy Centre indicated in its submission,
some activities by private sector enterprises may or may not be
considered commercial, for example data processing within the
organization for administrative purposes, data sharing among
businesses for the purpose of detecting bad credit risks,
collection and use of personal data by professional bodies.
Where provinces fail to act there will be an incentive for data
users to characterize their activities as non-commercial so as to
avoid application of the legislation. It would therefore be
helpful to define the term commercial activity so as to provide
more certainty for both data users such as academics, researchers
and non-profits and data subjects.
Several witnesses including the Insurance Crime Prevention
Bureau, the Insurance Bureau of Canada, the Canadian Medical
Association, the Canadian Pharmacists Association, the Canadian
Institute for Health Information and the Canadian Bar Association
asked for or provided suggested wording to define commercial
activity, and commercial activity is now defined in terms of the
nature of the transaction itself rather than the activity of the
organization per se.
Therefore commercial activity means any particular transaction,
act or conduct, or any regular course of conduct that is of a
commercial character. The definition of personal information was
modified in subclause 2(1). Several witnesses such as the
Association of Canadian Archivists, the Writers' Union, the
Western Forum of Credit & Financial Executives and the Alliance
of Manufacturers and Exporters criticized the definition as being
too broad. Others such as Public Interest Advocacy Centre,
Valerie Steeves, the Ontario privacy commissioner, the Canadian
Institute for Health Information and the Canadian Medical
Association wanted it to be more specific with reference to data
elements such as health records, anonymized records and
biological tissue samples. The proposed definition will
therefore capture all personal information about an identifiable
individual, except business addresses and phone numbers.
The committee also heard strong arguments as to why the
definition of use should be deleted from the bill. In
recommending this change Telus and the Canadian Chamber of
Commerce testified that they wanted to ensure companies would be
able to transfer information from one division to another within
an organization. The committee listened and acted on this
request. Principle 5 of the schedule will however ensure that
information transferred within an organization is used only for
the purposes for which it was collected.
The purpose clause of the bill was also amended, clause 3. The
original purpose clause attributed the right to privacy to
Canadians. It was felt that this was too restrictive since we
wish to assure our trading partners that their information is
protected. It was important to recognize this international
aspect and afford the bill's protection to all personal data
coming into Canada. It will also assist in meeting the adequacy
test found in the EU directive on protection of personal data.
It also avoids complications regarding non-Canadian residents,
tourists and landed immigrants. As the privacy commissioner
commented, Bill C-54 represents a significant step toward filling
in the gaps in the patchwork of laws and policies that offer data
protection in Canada. It promises to bring Canada into line with
international data protection norms. This advance is long
overdue. Most European countries and many other jurisdictions
around the world long ago extended the right to the protection of
personal information held by the private sector.
Today we are also talking about changes to clause 7. Several
changes were made to clause 7 at committee stage. Several groups
came to us and talked about other changes that should be made.
Regrettably at committee stage we did not have everything in
front of us.
Because of the complex issues we are now able to make an
amendment and Motion No. 17 would allow organizations to disclose
information to the private sector investigative bodies which
are listed in the regulations in order to investigate breaches of
agreements or contravention of laws.
This addresses a number of the concerns of witnesses,
particularly in the insurance industry. This new section will
allow these listed investigative bodies to share information.
The amendment completes the exception that was provided for in
clause 7(1)(b) for collection without consent for fraud detection
by extending it to disclosure.
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There are many things to talk about today with respect to this
bill and how important it is as we move forward. I would like to
let members know that the committee felt that because of the
importance of the privacy provisions of the bill, and the need to
assess the impact and workability of the provisions, Part 1 of
the bill should be reviewed every five years. That is good news.
In her second appearance before the committee the Ontario
Privacy Commissioner, Anne Cavoukian, welcomed this change. She
stated:
I am pleased that the bill calls for a mandatory five year review
as a means of judging the overall effectiveness of the
legislation in practice. This review, to analyse the working of
the law in practice, both on a national level and a provincial
level would note which provinces, aside from Quebec, have adopted
corresponding legislation where any gaps or omissions may appear
in the country's privacy coverage.
I would like to thank all members of the committee for their
hard work on this bill. I believe that the amendments put forth
both at committee and in the motions presented today by the
government forge a stronger bill for all Canadians.
As the Privacy Commissioner said in his first appearance at
the committee:
It is not a perfect bill. I cannot recall in my own experience,
in one capacity or another, ever seeing what could be described
as a perfect bill. But it goes a long way toward doing what has
to be done.
With that the Privacy Commissioner predicted that various
suggestions would occur during the hearings for the bill's
improvement. They did and the bill was improved. Today there
are further motions which improve the bill even more.
Regardless, though, I think Mr. Phillips' opening comments as
Privacy Commissioner speak to the significance of this bill. He
stated:
I want to make it clear now that I would be very sorry to see
this bill fail because of what I consider to be minor
deficiencies. It recognizes the basic principle that people have
a right to some control over their personal information no matter
where it is being used in the Canadian community. That is the
first and most important principle of good privacy protection.
It embodies the notion of consent for usage. It embodies the
notion of transparency in its usage. It embodies the notion of
knowledge of things that are being done with people's personal
information. It is a good bill in that respect.
I hope that all members of the House support the government's
motions and amendments today and will support Bill C-6.
[Translation]
Mr. Pierre de Savoye (Portneuf, BQ): Mr. Speaker, I would very
much like, following the remarks by our colleague from the
Liberal Party, to say “The Bloc Quebecois will support this
bill”. But you know that the Bloc Quebecois will not support
this bill, not because it would not provide good services to our
Canadian friends, but because it, unfortunately, is being forced
on Quebec by the Minister of Industry, and Quebec has already
had, for many years, a law in effect, which is effective and
meets our needs.
I am perhaps in a somewhat special position, because, if I go
back to 1992, before I became a member, I was the president of
the Association de sécurité informatique de la région de Québec.
As such, I had the opportunity to submit a brief from our
association to a parliamentary committee of the National
Assembly on the subject of the establishment of a law to protect
personal information in private enterprise, a Quebec law.
The Liberal government in office at that point, that of Mr.
Bourassa, introduced the legislation. It was passed, it took
effect and it is recognized worldwide as one of the best laws to
protect personal information in private enterprise.
When we see the bill that is before us today, we are pleased
that, seven years after Quebec, Canada has finally decided to
provide personal information protection for Canadians. However,
as an expert on these issues, I dare say that the bill proposed
by the minister is rather weak compared to the law that has been
in effect in Quebec for quite a few years now.
The Minister of Industry could have used the Quebec experience
as a model. Instead, as is unfortunately too often the case, he
chose to ignore it and, worse still, he wants to impose his
legislation on Quebecers.
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The Standing Committee on Industry heard a number of witnesses
state their concerns. I want to mention one such concern
expressed by the Confédération des syndicats nationaux, the CSN,
which is a well-known central labour body.
The CSN said:
This bill is likely to create a problem by establishing two
systems, depending on whether the information is used outside
Quebec or not. Indeed, a business could be subject to the Quebec
law but, as soon as the information was transferred outside the
province, the federal legislation would come into effect. And it
would not be easy for an ordinary citizen to know where his
information is gone.
As members can see, the Minister of Industry's bill creates a
problem because the minister wants to impose his legislation on
Quebec. This means that Quebec businesses, which already
invested money in 1993 and 1994 to comply with the requirements
of the Quebec law, will have to spend money again to comply with
the federal law, whose requirements are different, sometimes
significantly. In any case, the federal law will provide less
protection than the Quebec law.
This is a major problem. Quebec businesses have already taken
measures to ensure the protection of personal information. Now,
they will have to comply with a new law, and this means
additional costs.
Worse yet, some Quebec businesses that have until now been
subject to the Quebec legislation will be able to withdraw from
the Quebec legislation because they come under federal
jurisdiction—I have the banks in particular in mind. The Quebec
legislation is stringent, but it treats people fairly. Instead,
they will be covered by the federal legislation, which is less
stringent, and less protective of the individual.
In such a context, the effect in Quebec of Bill C-54—or Bill C-6
now, since its number change—will be the opposite of what was
intended. The bill we have before us is intended to inspire
consumer confidence in e-commerce, yet the perception in Quebec
is likely to be very different.
In Quebec we know that legislation has been in place for seven
years, legislation that inspires trust. Now certain sectors of
activity which make considerable use of e-commerce, such as the
banks, an important sector, a strategic sector, will be covered
by legislation that is not as good as the Quebec legislation.
In such a context, what are the consumers going to do? They are
going to exercise more caution, they will be more hesitant to
use electronic resources. This is the exact opposite of what
the bill is intended to do.
What would the elegant solution have been? The Minister of
Industry referred to it when he stated that Quebec, and any
other province that would like to have its own similar
legislation, would be exempted from application of the federal
act.
That was a noble intention; it would have allowed the Bloc
Quebecois to support with pleasure the fact that Canadians are
acquiring legislation to protect personal information.
Under the circumstances, however, we cannot in any way accept
this duplication of legislation. While I am at it, I will quote
Ian Lawson, an independent expert who testified before the
Standing Committee on Industry precisely on this issue.
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He said “In order to resolve this problem of double legislation,
the people of Quebec and the lawyers of Quebec will have a lot
of work to do”.
Why will lawyers in Quebec have so much work? Because
businesses will have trouble knowing where they stand. Things
will be very difficult to sort out.
The Standing Committee on Industry had every possible
opportunity to inform the minister about the impact on Quebec of
this legislation, although it is good news in the rest of
Canada. The Minister of Industry chose to ignore that advice.
But there is worse, even for the rest of Canada. The bill
exempts from the authority of parliament entire, important
sections explaining how this legislation will apply to Canadians
and Quebecers.
In fact, the very terms that will be used in the related
regulations are contained in a schedule which can be amended at
will by the present or any future minister.
Michael Geist, a law professor at the University of Ottawa, told
the Standing Committee on Industry “I have a problem with the
fact that the code of the CSA”, which is a standardizing body,
“is simply attached as a schedule. The principles of the code
should have been incorporated into the legislation itself. I
fail to understand why it was not felt advisable to try to use
them as a point of departure for drafting legislation that meets
the needs of Canadians in several respects where the Code,
which, as you know is a compromise, might not be up to the
task”.
Here we have a university professor telling us that the bill,
despite its good intentions, has a entire section on which the
regulations will be based that will not come under the authority
of Parliament.
The Canadian legislation, the bill proposed by the minister, is
weak. Quebec has much tougher legislation that is a far better
response to the needs of consumers. The Bloc Quebecois cannot
support such a bill, because it is nothing less than
interference in Quebec's jurisdiction, and I am therefore glad
indeed that sovereignty is on the horizon. That will exempt us
from all these kinds of problems.
[English]
Mr. Rahim Jaffer (Edmonton—Strathcona, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, I know my time is very limited, given that we have
pulled time allocation on this particular debate, but I want to
address the bill very quickly.
The official opposition is supporting the bill, as was mentioned
by my colleague from Peace River. My colleague from Essex
earlier stood to talk about the merits of the bill. However, she
did say that the bill was far from perfect, although a number of
amendments put forward by the government would bring it closer.
I would argue that if the government chose to support the
amendments put forward by the official opposition, the bill would
be even closer to being perfect.
I encourage my colleagues opposite to support the motions. I
will read them into the record. They are Motions Nos. 11, 14,
18, 19, 21 and 22.
Sitting through the industry committee hearings during the last
session I had the time to hear from many different witnesses, a
number of whom were from the health care profession. Some of
them were health care service providers who had a lot of concern
about privacy when it comes to the transfer of documents,
especially documents of a personal nature pertaining to health
care.
Because I do not have time to expand on the motions, I want to
read a quick summary of what the motions deal with, especially in
the case of pertinent health care documentation.
The proposed amendments should require organizations to obtain
an individual's fully informed and express consent before using
personal health information for a new purpose that is
substantially different from the purpose for which the
information was originally collected.
The Liberals may argue that this protection already exists in
the legislation, but our goal is to strengthen the legislation,
with respect to health information in particular.
This is not to come into conflict with the fact that health care
is a provincial domain, but just to set the tone in order to
strengthen information pertaining to health care and the privacy
issues surrounding that particular information.
The proposed amendments would also require that any—
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The Deputy Speaker: It being 6.15 p.m., it is my duty,
pursuant to order made earlier today, to interrupt the
proceedings and put forthwith every question necessary to dispose
of the report stage of the bill now before the House.
[Translation]
Mr. Pierre Brien: Mr. Speaker, to speed up the process, I
believe that, should you ask, you would find unanimous consent
to say that the questions on all the votable motions before us
are deemed to have been put and the recorded division deferred
until tonight.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to deem that all
motions in Group No. 2, now before the House, have been put and
the recorded division deferred?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Deputy Speaker: The recorded division on the motions in
Group No. 2 stands deferred.
We will now proceed to the motions in Group No. 3.
Shall I read them now or is there consent to consider them as
read?
Mr. Pierre Brien: Mr. Speaker, I believe you would find there is
unanimous consent to deem the motions in Group No. 3 to have
been moved, the questions put and the recorded division deferred
until tonight.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there consent to proceed this way?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
[English]
Mr. Pierre Brien (Témiscamingue, BQ) moved:
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 30, be amended by replacing lines 2 to
12 on page 20 with the following:
“organization in respect of personal information that it
collects, uses or discloses within a province whose legislature
has the power to regulate the collection, use or disclosure of
the information, unless the organization does it in connection
with the operation of a federal work, undertaking or business or
the organization discloses the information outside the province
for consideration.”
Mr. Pierre Brien (Témiscamingue, BQ) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 30, be amended by replacing lines 3 to
6 on page 20 with the following:
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 31, be amended by replacing line 35 on
page 20 with the following:
“Parliament or a prerogative of the Crown, other than an
instrument issued, made or established under the Yukon Act, the
Northwest Territories Act or the Nunavut Act.”
Mr. Pierre Brien (Témiscamingue, BQ) moved:
That Bill C-6 be amended by adding after line 29 on page 21 the
following new clause:
“32.1 Where there is any inconsistency or conflict between
this Part or the provisions of the other Parts of this Act that
relate to this Part and other applicable laws of a province,
particularly with respect to
(a) a signature, the law of contracts or other non-contractual
forms not requiring a signature, formal requirements for entering
into a contract or rules determining the place where the contract
was entered into;
(b) proof of a document, the determination of whether it is an
original or a copy, the retention of a document or the
establishment of its legal significance; or
(c) proof and admissibility in evidence of any matter and the
administration of those laws, the laws of the province prevail
over this Part and those provisions to the extent of the
inconsistency or conflict.”
Mr. Jim Jones (Markham, PC) moved:
That Bill C-6, in Clause 72, be amended by replacing line 6 on
page 40 with the following:
The Deputy Speaker: Call in the members.
1845
(The House divided on Motion No. 1, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 1 lost.
I therefore declare Motions Nos. 2,
5, 9, 10, 27 to 33, 36 to 43, 47 to 49, 57, 59 to 97 and 100 to
157 lost.
[Translation]
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, I believe you would find consent to
apply the results of the previous vote to Motions Nos. 7, 55, 58
and 98.
[English]
I believe you would also find consent to apply the results of
that same vote, but in reverse to the following motions: Motions
Nos. 8, 13, 16, 17, 20, 26, 35 and 56.
[Translation]
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed this
way?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
[English]
(The House divided on Motion No. 7, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 55, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 58, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 98, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 8, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 13, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 16, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 17, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 20, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 26, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 35, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 56, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Penson
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
|
Wilfert – 213
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motions Nos. 7, 55, 58 and
98 lost. I also declare Motions Nos. 8, 13, 16, 17, 20, 26,
35 and 56 carried.
[Translation]
The question is on Motion No. 3. If Motion
No. 3 is negatived, the question on Motion No. 4 will have to be
put.
[English]
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, if the House would agree, I
would propose that you seek unanimous consent that members who
voted on the previous motion be recorded as having voted on the
motion now before the House, with Liberal members voting nay.
1850
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed
in this fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Mr. Chuck Strahl: Mr. Speaker, Reform Party members
present vote no to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, the members of the Bloc will
vote in favour of this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, members of the NDP this
evening vote no to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, the members of the Conservative
Party vote yes on this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Nunziata: Mr. Speaker, my constituents would
want me to vote no to this motion.
[Translation]
(The House divided on Motion No. 3, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Borotsik
|
Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casey
|
Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Muise
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Wayne – 49
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
| Casson
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
|
Davies
| Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
|
Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
|
Hart
| Harvard
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Kerpan
|
Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Konrad
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
|
Proctor
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 200
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 3 negatived.
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, I believe you would find unanimous
consent to apply the results of the vote just taken to Motions
Nos. 6, 12, 23, 25, 34, 44, 46, 50 and 52.
The Deputy Speaker: Does the House agree to proceed in such a
fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
[English]
(The House divided on Motion No. 6, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Borotsik
|
Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casey
|
Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Muise
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Wayne – 49
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
| Casson
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
|
Davies
| Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
|
Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
|
Hart
| Harvard
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Kerpan
|
Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Konrad
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
|
Proctor
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 200
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 12, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Borotsik
|
Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casey
|
Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Muise
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Wayne – 49
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
| Casson
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
|
Davies
| Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
|
Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
|
Hart
| Harvard
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Kerpan
|
Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Konrad
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
|
Proctor
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 200
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 23, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Borotsik
|
Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casey
|
Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Muise
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Wayne – 49
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
| Casson
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
|
Davies
| Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
|
Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
|
Hart
| Harvard
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Kerpan
|
Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Konrad
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
|
Proctor
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 200
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 25, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Borotsik
|
Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casey
|
Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Muise
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Wayne – 49
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
| Casson
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
|
Davies
| Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
|
Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
|
Hart
| Harvard
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Kerpan
|
Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Konrad
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
|
Proctor
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 200
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 34, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Borotsik
|
Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casey
|
Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Muise
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Wayne – 49
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
| Casson
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
|
Davies
| Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
|
Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
|
Hart
| Harvard
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Kerpan
|
Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Konrad
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
|
Proctor
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 200
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 44, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Borotsik
|
Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casey
|
Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Muise
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Wayne – 49
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
| Casson
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
|
Davies
| Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
|
Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
|
Hart
| Harvard
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Kerpan
|
Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Konrad
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
|
Proctor
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 200
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 46, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Borotsik
|
Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casey
|
Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Muise
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Wayne – 49
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
| Casson
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
|
Davies
| Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
|
Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
|
Hart
| Harvard
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Kerpan
|
Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Konrad
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
|
Proctor
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 200
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 50, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Borotsik
|
Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casey
|
Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Muise
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Wayne – 49
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
| Casson
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
|
Davies
| Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
|
Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
|
Hart
| Harvard
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Kerpan
|
Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Konrad
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
|
Proctor
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 200
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 52, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Borotsik
|
Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casey
|
Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Muise
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Wayne – 49
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
| Casson
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
|
Davies
| Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
|
Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
|
Hart
| Harvard
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Kerpan
|
Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Konrad
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
Mayfield
| McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
|
Proctor
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 200
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motions Nos. 6, 12, 23, 25,
34, 44, 46, 50 and 52 lost. The next question is on Motion No.
4.
[Translation]
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, I think you will find unanimous
consent to have members who voted on the previous motion
recorded as having voted on the motion now before the House,
with Liberal members voting yea.
The Deputy Speaker: Does the House agree to proceed in this
fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
[English]
Mr. Chuck Strahl: Mr. Speaker, Reform Party members
present vote yes to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, members of the Bloc vote no
to this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, NDP members present this
evening vote no to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, the members of the Conservative
Party vote yes on this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Nunziata: Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the
residents of York South—Weston, I would vote no.
[Translation]
(The House divided on Motion No. 4, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
|
Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
|
Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
|
Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
| Cauchon
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
| Clouthier
|
Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Cullen
| Cummins
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
|
Johnston
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
| Manley
|
Mark
| Marleau
| Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| Mayfield
| McCormick
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Meredith
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Mitchell
| Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
| Pettigrew
|
Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
| Price
|
Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
|
Reed
| Richardson
| Ritz
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
|
Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Solberg
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Jacques
| St - Julien
|
Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
|
Strahl
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Vautour
| Vellacott
| Volpe
|
Wappel
| Wayne
| Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
|
White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 198
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
| Brien
|
Canuel
| Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
|
Davies
| de Savoye
| Debien
| Desjarlais
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Lill
| Mancini
| Marceau
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
|
McDonough
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Nunziata
|
Nystrom
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
|
Proctor
| Riis
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
|
Sauvageau
| Solomon
| St - Hilaire
| Stoffer
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 51
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 4 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 11.
1855
[English]
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, if the House would agree, I
would propose that you seek unanimous consent that members who
voted on the previous motion be recorded as having voted on the
motion now before the House with Liberal member's voting nay.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed
in this fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Mr. Chuck Strahl: Mr. Speaker, Reform Party members
present vote yes. This is a good amendment.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, members of the Bloc
Quebecois will be voting no on this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, members of the NDP present
vote yes to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, Progressive Conservative members
will be voting yes on this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Nunziata: Mr. Speaker, I would vote yes to this
motion.
(The House divided on Motion No. 11, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Anders
| Bailey
|
Benoit
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Blaikie
| Borotsik
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Casey
| Casson
|
Cummins
| Davies
| Desjarlais
| Duncan
|
Elley
| Epp
| Forseth
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Hart
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Jaffer
| Johnston
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Konrad
|
Lill
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Mancini
| Mark
| Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
|
Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
| Meredith
|
Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
| Nunziata
|
Nystrom
| Penson
| Price
| Proctor
|
Ramsay
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
St - Jacques
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Vautour
| Vellacott
| Wayne
|
White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver) – 74
|
NAYS
Members
Adams
| Alarie
| Alcock
| Anderson
|
Assad
| Assadourian
| Asselin
| Augustine
|
Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
|
Beaumier
| Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bellehumeur
|
Bellemare
| Bennett
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Bigras
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brien
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
|
Canuel
| Caplan
| Cardin
| Carroll
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Clouthier
| Coderre
|
Collenette
| Comuzzi
| Copps
| Crête
|
Cullen
| de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duceppe
| Duhamel
|
Dumas
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
|
Folco
| Fontana
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gallaway
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Guarnieri
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Kraft Sloan
|
Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lebel
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marceau
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Ménard
| Mercier
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mitchell
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Perron
| Peterson
| Pettigrew
|
Phinney
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Pillitteri
| Plamondon
|
Pratt
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
|
Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
| Rocheleau
|
Saada
| Sauvageau
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Hilaire
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
| Volpe
|
Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert – 175
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 11 lost.
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, I believe you would find
consent to apply the results of the vote just taken to Motions
Nos. 18, 19 and 21.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed
in this way?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
(The House divided on Motion No. 18, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Anders
| Bailey
|
Benoit
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Blaikie
| Borotsik
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Casey
| Casson
|
Cummins
| Davies
| Desjarlais
| Duncan
|
Elley
| Epp
| Forseth
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Hart
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Jaffer
| Johnston
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Konrad
|
Lill
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Mancini
| Mark
| Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
|
Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
| Meredith
|
Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
| Nunziata
|
Nystrom
| Penson
| Price
| Proctor
|
Ramsay
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
St - Jacques
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Vautour
| Vellacott
| Wayne
|
White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver) – 74
|
NAYS
Members
Adams
| Alarie
| Alcock
| Anderson
|
Assad
| Assadourian
| Asselin
| Augustine
|
Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
|
Beaumier
| Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bellehumeur
|
Bellemare
| Bennett
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Bigras
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brien
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
|
Canuel
| Caplan
| Cardin
| Carroll
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Clouthier
| Coderre
|
Collenette
| Comuzzi
| Copps
| Crête
|
Cullen
| de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duceppe
| Duhamel
|
Dumas
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
|
Folco
| Fontana
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gallaway
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Guarnieri
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Kraft Sloan
|
Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lebel
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marceau
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Ménard
| Mercier
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mitchell
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Perron
| Peterson
| Pettigrew
|
Phinney
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Pillitteri
| Plamondon
|
Pratt
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
|
Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
| Rocheleau
|
Saada
| Sauvageau
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Hilaire
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
| Volpe
|
Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert – 175
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 19, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Anders
| Bailey
|
Benoit
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Blaikie
| Borotsik
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Casey
| Casson
|
Cummins
| Davies
| Desjarlais
| Duncan
|
Elley
| Epp
| Forseth
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Hart
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Jaffer
| Johnston
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Konrad
|
Lill
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Mancini
| Mark
| Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
|
Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
| Meredith
|
Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
| Nunziata
|
Nystrom
| Penson
| Price
| Proctor
|
Ramsay
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
St - Jacques
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Vautour
| Vellacott
| Wayne
|
White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver) – 74
|
NAYS
Members
Adams
| Alarie
| Alcock
| Anderson
|
Assad
| Assadourian
| Asselin
| Augustine
|
Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
|
Beaumier
| Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bellehumeur
|
Bellemare
| Bennett
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Bigras
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brien
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
|
Canuel
| Caplan
| Cardin
| Carroll
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Clouthier
| Coderre
|
Collenette
| Comuzzi
| Copps
| Crête
|
Cullen
| de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duceppe
| Duhamel
|
Dumas
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
|
Folco
| Fontana
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gallaway
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Guarnieri
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Kraft Sloan
|
Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lebel
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marceau
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Ménard
| Mercier
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mitchell
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Perron
| Peterson
| Pettigrew
|
Phinney
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Pillitteri
| Plamondon
|
Pratt
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
|
Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
| Rocheleau
|
Saada
| Sauvageau
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Hilaire
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
| Volpe
|
Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert – 175
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
(The House divided on Motion No. 21, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Anders
| Bailey
|
Benoit
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Blaikie
| Borotsik
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Casey
| Casson
|
Cummins
| Davies
| Desjarlais
| Duncan
|
Elley
| Epp
| Forseth
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Hart
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Jaffer
| Johnston
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Konrad
|
Lill
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Mancini
| Mark
| Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
|
Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
| Meredith
|
Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
| Nunziata
|
Nystrom
| Penson
| Price
| Proctor
|
Ramsay
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
St - Jacques
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Vautour
| Vellacott
| Wayne
|
White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver) – 74
|
NAYS
Members
Adams
| Alarie
| Alcock
| Anderson
|
Assad
| Assadourian
| Asselin
| Augustine
|
Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
|
Beaumier
| Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bellehumeur
|
Bellemare
| Bennett
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Bigras
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brien
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
|
Canuel
| Caplan
| Cardin
| Carroll
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Clouthier
| Coderre
|
Collenette
| Comuzzi
| Copps
| Crête
|
Cullen
| de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duceppe
| Duhamel
|
Dumas
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
|
Folco
| Fontana
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gallaway
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Guarnieri
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Kraft Sloan
|
Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lebel
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marceau
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Ménard
| Mercier
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mitchell
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Perron
| Peterson
| Pettigrew
|
Phinney
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Pillitteri
| Plamondon
|
Pratt
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
|
Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
| Rocheleau
|
Saada
| Sauvageau
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
|
St - Hilaire
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
| Volpe
|
Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert – 175
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motions Nos. 18, 19 and 21
lost.
The next vote is on Motion No. 14.
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, if the House would agree, I
would propose that you seek unanimous consent that members who
voted on the previous motion be recorded as having voted on the
motion now before the House with Liberal members voting nay.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed
in this way?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Mr. Chuck Strahl: Mr. Speaker, Reform Party members
present vote yes to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, members of the Bloc
Quebecois will be voting no on this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, NDP members present this
evening vote nay.
[Translation]
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, Progressive Conservative members
will be voting yes on this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Nunziata: Mr. Speaker, I would support the
Reform Party on this motion and vote yes.
(The House divided on Motion No. 14, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Anders
| Bailey
|
Benoit
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Borotsik
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
|
Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Casey
| Casson
| Cummins
|
Duncan
| Elley
| Epp
| Forseth
|
Goldring
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Hart
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Jaffer
| Johnston
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Konrad
|
Lowther
| Lunn
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mark
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Mayfield
| McNally
| Meredith
|
Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
| Nunziata
|
Penson
| Price
| Ramsay
| Ritz
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Strahl
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Vautour
|
Vellacott
| Wayne
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver) – 60
|
NAYS
Members
Adams
| Alarie
| Alcock
| Anderson
|
Assad
| Assadourian
| Asselin
| Augustine
|
Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
|
Beaumier
| Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bellehumeur
|
Bellemare
| Bennett
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Bigras
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brien
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Canuel
| Caplan
| Cardin
|
Carroll
| Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Clouthier
|
Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Crête
| Cullen
| Davies
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desjarlais
| Desrochers
| DeVillers
|
Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
|
Drouin
| Duceppe
| Duhamel
| Dumas
|
Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gallaway
|
Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Guarnieri
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Kraft Sloan
|
Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lebel
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Mancini
| Manley
| Marceau
|
Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Ménard
| Mercier
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mitchell
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Peric
| Perron
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Pillitteri
|
Plamondon
| Pratt
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
|
Riis
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
|
Saada
| Sauvageau
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solomon
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Hilaire
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stoffer
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
|
Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
Whelan
| Wilfert – 189
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 14 lost.
Mr. John Nunziata: Mr. Speaker, is there any reason why
all these members of parliament are sitting here this evening? I
would ask that you seek unanimous consent to allow members of
parliament to leave and allow the whips to continue on with the
voting.
The Deputy Speaker: While I am sure the hon. member for
York South—Weston has struck a cord and cheered the hearts of
many, it appears there may not be consent for the proposition. I
see some heads nodding no.
The next question is on Motion No. 15.
1900
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, I believe you would find
consent to apply the results of the vote just taken to the
following: Motions Nos. 22, 24 and 99.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed
in this way?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
(The House divided on Motion No. 22, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Anders
| Bailey
|
Benoit
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Borotsik
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
|
Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Casey
| Casson
| Cummins
|
Duncan
| Elley
| Epp
| Forseth
|
Goldring
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Hart
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Jaffer
| Johnston
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Konrad
|
Lowther
| Lunn
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mark
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Mayfield
| McNally
| Meredith
|
Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
| Nunziata
|
Penson
| Price
| Ramsay
| Ritz
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Strahl
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Vautour
|
Vellacott
| Wayne
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver) – 60
|
NAYS
Members
Adams
| Alarie
| Alcock
| Anderson
|
Assad
| Assadourian
| Asselin
| Augustine
|
Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
|
Beaumier
| Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bellehumeur
|
Bellemare
| Bennett
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Bigras
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brien
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Canuel
| Caplan
| Cardin
|
Carroll
| Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Clouthier
|
Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Crête
| Cullen
| Davies
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desjarlais
| Desrochers
| DeVillers
|
Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
|
Drouin
| Duceppe
| Duhamel
| Dumas
|
Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gallaway
|
Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Guarnieri
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Kraft Sloan
|
Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lebel
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Mancini
| Manley
| Marceau
|
Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Ménard
| Mercier
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mitchell
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Peric
| Perron
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Pillitteri
|
Plamondon
| Pratt
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
|
Riis
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
|
Saada
| Sauvageau
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solomon
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Hilaire
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stoffer
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
|
Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
Wilfert – 189
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 22 lost.
(The House divided on Motion No. 24, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Anders
| Bailey
|
Benoit
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Borotsik
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
|
Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Casey
| Casson
| Cummins
|
Duncan
| Elley
| Epp
| Forseth
|
Goldring
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Hart
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Jaffer
| Johnston
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Konrad
|
Lowther
| Lunn
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mark
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Mayfield
| McNally
| Meredith
|
Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
| Nunziata
|
Penson
| Price
| Ramsay
| Ritz
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Strahl
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Vautour
|
Vellacott
| Wayne
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver) – 60
|
NAYS
Members
Adams
| Alarie
| Alcock
| Anderson
|
Assad
| Assadourian
| Asselin
| Augustine
|
Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
|
Beaumier
| Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bellehumeur
|
Bellemare
| Bennett
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Bigras
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brien
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Canuel
| Caplan
| Cardin
|
Carroll
| Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Clouthier
|
Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Crête
| Cullen
| Davies
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desjarlais
| Desrochers
| DeVillers
|
Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
|
Drouin
| Duceppe
| Duhamel
| Dumas
|
Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gallaway
|
Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Guarnieri
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Kraft Sloan
|
Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lebel
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Mancini
| Manley
| Marceau
|
Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Ménard
| Mercier
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mitchell
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Peric
| Perron
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Pillitteri
|
Plamondon
| Pratt
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
|
Riis
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
|
Saada
| Sauvageau
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solomon
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Hilaire
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stoffer
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
|
Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
Wilfert – 189
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 24 lost.
(The House divided on Motion No. 99, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Anders
| Bailey
|
Benoit
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Borotsik
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
|
Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Casey
| Casson
| Cummins
|
Duncan
| Elley
| Epp
| Forseth
|
Goldring
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Hart
| Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Jaffer
| Johnston
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Konrad
|
Lowther
| Lunn
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mark
|
Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Mayfield
| McNally
| Meredith
|
Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
| Nunziata
|
Penson
| Price
| Ramsay
| Ritz
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Strahl
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Vautour
|
Vellacott
| Wayne
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver) – 60
|
NAYS
Members
Adams
| Alarie
| Alcock
| Anderson
|
Assad
| Assadourian
| Asselin
| Augustine
|
Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
|
Beaumier
| Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bellehumeur
|
Bellemare
| Bennett
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Bigras
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brien
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Canuel
| Caplan
| Cardin
|
Carroll
| Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Clouthier
|
Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Crête
| Cullen
| Davies
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desjarlais
| Desrochers
| DeVillers
|
Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
|
Drouin
| Duceppe
| Duhamel
| Dumas
|
Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gallaway
|
Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Guarnieri
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Kraft Sloan
|
Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lebel
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Mancini
| Manley
| Marceau
|
Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Ménard
| Mercier
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mitchell
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Peric
| Perron
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Pillitteri
|
Plamondon
| Pratt
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
|
Riis
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
|
Saada
| Sauvageau
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Shepherd
| Solomon
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Hilaire
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stoffer
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
|
Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
Wilfert – 189
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 99 lost.
The next question is on Motion No. 15.
[Translation]
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, you will find unanimous consent for
the members voting on the preceding motion, except for the
member for Windsor West, being recorded as having voted on the
motion currently before the House, with the Liberal members
voting yes.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed in
this fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
[English]
Mr. Chuck Strahl: Mr. Speaker, Reform Party members
present vote no to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, members of the Bloc
Quebecois will be voting no on this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, members of the NDP present
vote yes on this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, Progressive Conservative members
will be voting yes on this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Nunziata: Mr. Speaker, on this motion I will
support the government.
(The House divided on Motion No. 15, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Alcock
| Anderson
| Assad
|
Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
|
Caplan
| Carroll
| Casey
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Davies
| Desjarlais
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goodale
| Graham
|
Guarnieri
| Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
|
Jennings
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
|
Lavigne
| Lee
| Leung
| Lill
|
Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
| Longfield
| MacAulay
|
MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Mancini
| Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
| McCormick
| McDonough
|
McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mitchell
| Muise
|
Murray
| Myers
| Nault
| Nunziata
|
Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
|
Pratt
| Price
| Proctor
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
|
Riis
| Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
|
Scott
(Fredericton)
| Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Jacques
|
St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
|
Stoffer
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vautour
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Wayne
|
Whelan
| Wilfert – 166
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Alarie
| Anders
|
Asselin
| Bailey
| Bellehumeur
| Benoit
|
Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
|
Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
|
Casson
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| Cummins
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
|
Dumas
| Duncan
| Elley
| Epp
|
Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
|
Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
| Gouk
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guay
| Guimond
|
Hart
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
|
Jaffer
| Johnston
| Kerpan
| Konrad
|
Lebel
| Lowther
| Lunn
| Marceau
|
Mark
| Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
| Mayfield
| McNally
|
Ménard
| Mercier
| Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Morrison
| Penson
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Ramsay
| Ritz
| Rocheleau
|
Sauvageau
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
|
St - Hilaire
| Stinson
| Strahl
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vellacott
|
White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver) – 82
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 15 agreed to.
The next question is on Motion No. 45.
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, if the House would agree, I
would propose that you seek unanimous consent that members who
voted on the previous motion be recorded as having voted on the
motion now before the House, with Liberal members voting yea.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed
in this way?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Mr. Chuck Strahl: Mr. Speaker, Reform Party members will
vote yes to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, members of the Bloc
Quebecois will be voting no on this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, members of the NDP present
vote yes to Motion No. 45.
[Translation]
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, Progressive Conservative members
will be voting yes on this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Nunziata: Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the
residents of York South—Weston I would support Motion No. 45. I
would vote yes.
1905
(The House divided on Motion No. 45, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Borotsik
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Casson
| Catterall
|
Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
| Davies
|
Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Elley
|
Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
| Fontana
|
Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Goldring
|
Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
| Grewal
|
Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
| Harvard
|
Harvey
| Herron
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
|
Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kerpan
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
| Kraft Sloan
|
Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
| Leung
|
Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
| Mancini
|
Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
| Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
|
Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
| Mayfield
|
McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Meredith
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Mitchell
|
Morrison
| Muise
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Pettigrew
| Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
|
Price
| Proctor
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Ramsay
| Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
|
Riis
| Ritz
| Robillard
| Robinson
|
Saada
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
|
Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Solberg
|
Solomon
| Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Jacques
|
St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Torsney
|
Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
| Vautour
|
Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Wayne
|
Whelan
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 212
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Guay
| Guimond
| Lebel
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
St - Hilaire
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp – 36
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 45 agreed to.
The next question is on Motion No. 51.
[Translation]
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, I think you will find that there is
unanimous consent to say that members who voted on the previous
motion be recorded as having voted on the motion now before the
House, with Liberal members voting nay.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed in
this fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
[English]
Mr. Chuck Strahl: Mr. Speaker, Reform Party members
present vote yes to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, of course, members of the
Bloc Quebecois support this excellent motion by our colleague
from Témiscaminque.
[English]
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, members of the NDP present
this evening vote yes on Motion No. 51.
[Translation]
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, the Progressive Conservative
members vote nay.
[English]
Mr. John Nunziata: Mr. Speaker, Motion No. 51 would
prevent the Senate from participating in a five year statutory
review. I would support that motion.
(The House divided on Motion No. 51, which was negatived on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Alarie
| Anders
|
Asselin
| Bailey
| Bellehumeur
| Benoit
|
Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brien
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Casson
| Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
|
Cummins
| Davies
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desjarlais
| Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Elley
| Epp
| Forseth
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
| Gouk
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guay
| Guimond
|
Hart
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
|
Jaffer
| Johnston
| Kerpan
| Konrad
|
Lebel
| Lill
| Lowther
| Lunn
|
Mancini
| Marceau
| Mark
| Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Ménard
| Mercier
| Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Morrison
| Nunziata
| Nystrom
| Penson
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Proctor
|
Ramsay
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Hilaire
| Stinson
|
Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
|
Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vellacott
| White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
|
White
(North Vancouver)
– 97
|
NAYS
Members
Adams
| Alcock
| Anderson
| Assad
|
Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
|
Bonwick
| Borotsik
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Caccia
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Carroll
| Casey
| Catterall
| Cauchon
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
| Clouthier
|
Coderre
| Collenette
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Gallaway
| Goodale
| Graham
|
Guarnieri
| Harvard
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
|
Jennings
| Jones
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
|
Lavigne
| Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| MacAulay
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
| Manley
|
Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
| McCormick
|
McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mitchell
| Muise
|
Murray
| Myers
| Nault
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Peric
| Peterson
| Pettigrew
|
Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
| Price
|
Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
| Scott
(Fredericton)
|
Sekora
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Jacques
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
|
Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Vanclief
| Vautour
| Volpe
| Wappel
|
Wayne
| Whelan
| Wilfert
– 151
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 51 lost.
The next question is on Motion No. 53. If Motion No. 53 is
negatived, there will be a vote on Motion No. 54.
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, if the House would agree, I
would propose that you seek unanimous consent that members who
voted on the previous motion be recorded as having voted on the
motion now before the House with Liberal members voting yea.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed
in this way?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Mr. Chuck Strahl: Mr. Speaker, Reform Party members
present vote yes to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, members of the Bloc
Quebecois are against this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, members of the NDP present
this evening vote yes to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, the Progressive Conservative
members vote nay.
[English]
Mr. John Nunziata: Mr. Speaker, I would vote yes to
Motion No. 53.
(The House divided on Motion No. 53, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
| Casson
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
|
Davies
| Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
|
Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
|
Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
| Mancini
|
Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
| Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
|
Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
| Mayfield
|
McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Meredith
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Mitchell
|
Morrison
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
| Pettigrew
|
Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
| Proctor
|
Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
|
Reed
| Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
|
Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
|
Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
|
Shepherd
| Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 199
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Borotsik
|
Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casey
|
Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Muise
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Wayne – 49
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 53 agreed to.
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.) moved that
the bill, as amended, be concurred in.
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, I believe you would find
consent to apply the results of the vote just taken to the motion
for concurrence.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed
in this fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Abbott
| Ablonczy
| Adams
| Alcock
|
Anders
| Anderson
| Assad
| Assadourian
|
Augustine
| Axworthy
(Winnipeg South Centre)
| Bailey
| Baker
|
Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
| Bélair
|
Bélanger
| Bellemare
| Bennett
| Benoit
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blaikie
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Caccia
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Carroll
| Casson
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Coderre
| Collenette
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cullen
| Cummins
|
Davies
| Desjarlais
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Duncan
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Elley
| Epp
| Finlay
| Folco
|
Fontana
| Forseth
| Gallaway
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Goldring
| Goodale
| Gouk
| Graham
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Guarnieri
| Hart
|
Harvard
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
|
Hubbard
| Ianno
| Iftody
| Jackson
|
Jaffer
| Jennings
| Johnston
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Kerpan
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Konrad
|
Kraft Sloan
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Lill
| Limoges
(Windsor – St. Clair)
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| Lowther
| Lunn
| MacAulay
|
Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
| Mancini
|
Manley
| Mark
| Marleau
| Martin
(Esquimalt – Juan de Fuca)
|
Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Matthews
| Mayfield
|
McCormick
| McDonough
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McNally
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Meredith
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Mitchell
|
Morrison
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
Nunziata
| Nystrom
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Penson
| Peric
| Peterson
| Pettigrew
|
Phinney
| Pillitteri
| Pratt
| Proctor
|
Proud
| Provenzano
| Ramsay
| Redman
|
Reed
| Richardson
| Riis
| Ritz
|
Robillard
| Robinson
| Saada
| Schmidt
|
Scott
(Fredericton)
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Sekora
| Serré
|
Shepherd
| Solberg
| Solomon
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Vanclief
|
Vellacott
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
White
(Langley – Abbotsford)
| White
(North Vancouver)
| Wilfert – 199
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Borotsik
|
Brien
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casey
|
Chrétien
(Frontenac – Mégantic)
| Crête
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Duceppe
| Dumas
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Guay
| Guimond
| Harvey
| Herron
|
Jones
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Ménard
| Mercier
| Muise
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| St - Hilaire
| St - Jacques
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Wayne – 49
|
PAIRED
Members
Bachand
(Saint - Jean)
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Gagliano
|
Lalonde
| Laurin
| Loubier
| Marchand
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| Minna
| Normand
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Rock
| Venne
| Wood
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare the motion agreed to.
ADJOURNMENT PROCEEDINGS
1910
[English]
A motion to adjourn the House under Standing Order 38 deemed to
have been moved.
FISHERIES
Mr. Peter Stoffer (Sackville—Musquodoboit Valley—Eastern
Shore, NDP): Mr. Speaker, I rise today on the late show to
clarify the question I had last week for the Minister of
Fisheries and Oceans.
Since the Marshall decision was handed down by the supreme
court, the lobster fishery in the maritime region has been thrown
into absolute chaos. It has pitted families against families,
workers against workers and fishermen against fishermen. It has
also raised the issue of racism between non-natives and native
groups. The reason is the lack of leadership by the federal
government.
For years and years previous Conservative and Liberal
governments and the current Liberal government have denied the
aboriginal people traditional and proper access to natural
resources. Every single time the aboriginal people came to the
House of Commons or to the government to negotiate those
outstanding treaties, the government of the day told them to
pound sand and take their case to court.
After the Delgamuukw decision, after the Sparrow decision and
now after the Marshall decision, the government is like a deer
caught in the headlights on an oncoming semi truck. It stands
there and says “Duh, what do we do now”. The unfortunate part
is the people of Atlantic Canada do not have time to wait.
Back in April the Auditor General of Canada released a very
damning report toward the DFO. It stated quite clearly that the
shellfish industry was in serious trouble. Last April the
auditor general clearly said that DFO was managing the shellfish
industry exactly the same way it managed the groundfish industry
prior to the 1992 collapse of the cod stocks. On top of that,
there is the collapse of the salmon stocks. Now there is the
collapse of the lobster, shrimp, scallops and crab stocks and
every other species that is out there because of the lack of
proper enforcement by the government.
My question is quite clear. We had a solution that we presented
to the minister 34 days ago. It is now day 35 of the Marshall
decision and there still has been no clear action from the
government. The fishermen of lobster fishing area number 33 are
meeting tonight because people from the Burnt Church Indian
reserve are laying traps in the Halifax harbour which will lead
to more conflict and more confusion. There is still no
leadership from the government.
We are saying to the government loud and clear that the Minister
of Fisheries and Oceans and the Minister of Indian Affairs and
Northern Development must get their butts out of Ottawa and down
to Nova Scotia. They must start talking to these people instead
of sending other people to do their work for them. They must
take a leadership role. They must go down and resolve this
situation immediately. If they do not, I fear for the lobster
stocks themselves.
1915
Mr. David Iftody (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of
Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
I thank the member for his question. I know his legitimate and
ongoing interest in these matters. Therefore I am pleased to
provided those answers on behalf of my colleague, the Minister of
Fisheries and Oceans.
The House knows of the recent Marshall decision, the
consequences emanating from that decision and the policy
responses of the government to deal with the problem of bringing
the two disputed parties together for a negotiated settlement.
In that vein, Mr. James Mackenzie, our chief federal
representative, has been very active in making contact with both
aboriginal leaders and representatives of the commercial fishing
industry. Mr. Mackenzie has been making initial contact in
following up with both aboriginal leaders and representatives of
the commercial fishing organizations since he was first appointed
on October 15, 1999.
Mr. Mackenzie is currently in the maritimes holding meetings
with commercial sector representatives. He met yesterday in
White Point, Nova Scotia, with representatives of the commercial
fishing industry. He is continuing to meet with commercial
representatives in their towns and fishing communities to lay the
groundwork for agreements that will facilitate the orderly
operation of the fishery next season. Mr. Mackenzie is holding
discussions with commercial representatives and seeking their
views on an appropriate role in the process.
Commercial representatives can be assured that they will be
fully consulted. Once a process is designed the government will
be looking at funding these needs.
The Minister of Fisheries and Oceans has made the development of
a short and long term strategy, which is responsive to the
supreme court decision and takes into account the interest of the
commercial fishing sector, his number one priority. He has
indicated his continued willingness to meet with commercial
fishing representatives and to listen to their concerns.
In addition, we are meeting with the aboriginal fishers and my
own minister has done so. We will continue to look for a
negotiated and peaceful settlement that is fair to all.
[Translation]
The Deputy Speaker: The motion to adjourn the House is now
deemed to have been adopted. Accordingly, the House stands
adjourned until tomorrow at 10 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order
24(1).
(The House adjourned at 7.17 p.m.)