36th Parliament, 2nd Session
EDITED HANSARD • NUMBER 69
CONTENTS
Wednesday, March 22, 2000
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| STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS
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| WORLD WATER DAY
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| Ms. Jean Augustine |
| BILL C-23
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| Mr. Leon E. Benoit |
| THE HON. MICHAEL STARR
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| Mr. Alex Shepherd |
| GREEK INDEPENDENCE DAY
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| Ms. Eleni Bakopanos |
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| PAKISTAN
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| Mr. Paul Bonwick |
| CORRECTIONAL SERVICE CANADA
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| Mr. Myron Thompson |
| AMATEUR SPORT
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| Mrs. Marlene Jennings |
| YOUNG OFFENDERS
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| Mr. Michel Bellehumeur |
| RICHMOND HILL
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| Mr. Bryon Wilfert |
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| KASHMIR
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| Mr. Gurmant Grewal |
| ATLANTIC CANADIANS
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| Mr. Lawrence D. O'Brien |
| HOME CARE
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| Mrs. Michelle Dockrill |
| BILL C-20
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| Mr. Daniel Turp |
| TAIWAN
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| Mr. Ted McWhinney |
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| ST. FRANCIS XAVIER X-MEN
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| Mr. Peter MacKay |
| ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
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| HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
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| Mr. Preston Manning |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Mr. Preston Manning |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Mr. Preston Manning |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
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| Miss Deborah Grey |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Miss Deborah Grey |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Mr. Gilles Duceppe |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Mr. Gilles Duceppe |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Mr. Paul Crête |
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| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Mr. Paul Crête |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| HEALTH CARE
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| Ms. Alexa McDonough |
| Right Hon. Jean Chrétien |
| Ms. Alexa McDonough |
| Right Hon. Jean Chrétien |
| THE ECONOMY
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| Mr. Peter MacKay |
| Hon. Paul Martin |
| Mr. Peter MacKay |
| Hon. Paul Martin |
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| HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
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| Mrs. Diane Ablonczy |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Mrs. Diane Ablonczy |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Mr. Michel Gauthier |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Mr. Michel Gauthier |
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| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| EXPORT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
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| Mr. Monte Solberg |
| Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew |
| Mr. Monte Solberg |
| Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew |
| HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
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| Mrs. Christiane Gagnon |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Mrs. Christiane Gagnon |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| EXPORT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
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| Mr. Deepak Obhrai |
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| Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew |
| Mr. Deepak Obhrai |
| Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew |
| CINAR
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| Mr. Stéphane Bergeron |
| Hon. Sheila Copps |
| NATIONAL DEFENCE
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| Mrs. Sue Barnes |
| Hon. Arthur C. Eggleton |
| EXPORT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
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| Mr. Keith Martin |
| Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew |
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| Mr. Keith Martin |
| Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew |
| HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
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| Ms. Libby Davies |
| Right Hon. Jean Chrétien |
| Mr. Pat Martin |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Mr. Jean Dubé |
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| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| Mr. Jean Dubé |
| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| THE ENVIRONMENT
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| Mr. Joe Jordan |
| Ms. Paddy Torsney |
| EXPORT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
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| Mr. Charlie Penson |
| Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew |
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| GASOLINE PRICING
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| Mr. Pierre Brien |
| Hon. John Manley |
| Mr. John Solomon |
| Hon. Ralph E. Goodale |
| NATIONAL PARKS
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| Mr. Mark Muise |
| Hon. Sheila Copps |
| JEUX DE LA FRANCOPHONIE
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| Mr. Mac Harb |
| Hon. Don Boudria |
| ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
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| EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE
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| Hon. Jane Stewart |
| GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO PETITIONS
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| Mr. Derek Lee |
| COMMITTEES OF THE HOUSE
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| Procedure and House Affairs
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| Mr. Derek Lee |
| CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION
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| Mr. Joe Fontana |
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| Public Accounts
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| Mr. John Richardson |
| OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF CANADA ACT
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| Bill C-451. Introduction and first reading
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| Mrs. Brenda Chamberlain |
| MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY ACT
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| Bill C-452. Introduction and first reading
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| Mrs. Brenda Chamberlain |
| CRIMINAL CODE
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| Bill C-453. Introduction and first reading
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| Mr. Peter MacKay |
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| CONTROLLED DRUGS AND SUBSTANCES ACT
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| Bill C-454. Introduction and first reading
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| Mr. Bill Gilmour |
| ELECTORAL BOUNDARIES READJUSTMENT ACT
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| Bill C-455. Introduction and first reading
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| Mr. Richard Marceau |
| ELECTORAL BOUNDARIES READJUSTMENT ACT
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| Bill C-456. Introduction and first reading
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| Mr. Odina Desrochers |
| IMMIGRATION ACT
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| Bill C-457. Introduction and first reading
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| Ms. Sophia Leung |
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| COMPETITION ACT
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| Bill C-458. Introduction and first reading
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| Mr. Gilles Bernier |
| PETITIONS
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| Mammography
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| Mr. Ovid L. Jackson |
| Canada Post
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| Mr. Ovid L. Jackson |
| Immigration
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| Mr. Gurmant Grewal |
| Old Age Security
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| Mr. Gurmant Grewal |
| Child Pornography
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| Mr. Gurmant Grewal |
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| Canada Post
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| Mr. Peter Adams |
| The Senate
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| Hon. Lorne Nystrom |
| Mammography
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| Mr. Clifford Lincoln |
| Falun Gong
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| Mr. Clifford Lincoln |
| Marriage
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| Mr. Gilles Bernier |
| Child Pornography
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| Mr. Janko Peric |
| Goods and Services Tax
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| Mr. Nelson Riis |
| The Constitution
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| Mr. Nelson Riis |
| Criminal Code
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| Mr. Nelson Riis |
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| Chemical Pesticides
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| Mr. Irwin Cotler |
| Child Pornography
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| Ms. Beth Phinney |
| Mammography
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| Ms. Beth Phinney |
| Child Poverty
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| Mr. Jake E. Hoeppner |
| The Constitution
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| Mr. Jake E. Hoeppner |
| Canada Post
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| Mrs. Karen Redman |
| Child Pornography
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| Mrs. Karen Redman |
| Marriage
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| Mr. Peter Stoffer |
| Fisheries
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| Mr. Peter Stoffer |
| Child Poverty
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| Mr. Paul Szabo |
| QUESTIONS ON THE ORDER PAPER
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| Mr. Derek Lee |
| MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
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| Mr. Derek Lee |
| NOTICE PAPER
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| The Deputy Speaker |
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| GOVERNMENT ORDERS
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| SUPPLY
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| Allotted Day—Transportation
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| Ms. Val Meredith |
| Motion
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| Mr. Jim Karygiannis |
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| Mr. René Canuel |
| BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE
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| Mr. Derek Lee |
| Motion
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| SUPPLY
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| Allotted Day—Transportation
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| Motion
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| Mr. Deepak Obhrai |
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| Mr. Stan Dromisky |
| Mr. Gérard Asselin |
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| Mr. Stan Dromisky |
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| Ms. Val Meredith |
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| Mr. Peter Mancini |
| Hon. Martin Cauchon |
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| Ms. Val Meredith |
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| Mr. René Canuel |
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| Mr. Gérard Asselin |
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| Mr. Stan Keyes |
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| Mr. René Canuel |
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| Mr. John Solomon |
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| SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (B), 1999-2000
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| Concurrence in Vote 10b—Human Resources Development
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 1
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(Division 1171)
| Motion No. 1
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| Concurrence in Vote 1b—Justice
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 2
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1800
(Division 1172)
| Motion No. 2 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 1b—Human Resources Development
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 3
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(Division 1173)
| Motion No. 3 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 1b—Privy Council
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 4
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(Division 1174)
| Motion No. 4 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 10b—Privy Council
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 5
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(Division 1175)
| Motion No. 5 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 40b—Privy Council
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 6
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(Division 1176)
| Motion No. 6
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| Concurrence in Vote 50b—Privy Council
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 7
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(Division 1177)
| Motion No. 7 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 10b—Solicitor General
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 8
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(Division 1178)
| Motion No. 8 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 15b—Solicitor General
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 9
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(Division 1179)
| Motion No. 9 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 25b—Solicitor General
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 10
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(Division 1180)
| Motion No. 10 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 30b—Solicitor General
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 11
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(Division 1181)
| Motion No. 11 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 45b—Solicitor General
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 12
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(Division 1182)
| Motion No. 12 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 10b—Agriculture and Agri-food
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 13
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(Division 1183)
| Motion No. 13 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 15b—Human Resources Development
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 14
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(Division 1184)
| Motion No. 14 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 25b—Human Resources Development
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 15
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(Division 1185)
| Motion No. 15 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 35b—Human Resources Development
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
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(Division 1186)
| Motion No. 16 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 5b—Justice
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 17
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(Division 1187)
| Motion No. 17 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 1b—Parliament
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 18
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(Division 1188)
| Motion No. 18 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 1b—Environment
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 19
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(Division 1189)
| Motion No. 19 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 5b—Environment
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 20
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(Division 1190)
| Motion No. 20 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 10b—Environment
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 21
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(Division 1191)
| Motion No. 21 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 15b—Environment
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 22
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(Division 1192)
| Motion No. 22 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 1b—National Defence
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 23
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(Division 1193)
| Motion No. 23 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 5b—National Defence
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 24
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(Division 1194)
| Motion No. 24 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote L11b—National Defence
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 25
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(Division 1195)
| Motion No. 25 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 1b—Industry
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 26
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(Division 1196)
| Motion No. 26 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 5b—Industry
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 27
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(Division 1197)
| Motion No. 27 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 20b—Industry
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 28
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(Division 1198)
| Motion No. 28 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 25b—Industry
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 29
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(Division 1199)
| Motion No. 29 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 45b—Industry
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 30
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(Division 1200)
| Motion No. 30 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 75b—Industry
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 31
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(Division 1201)
| Motion No. 31 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 80b—Industry
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 32
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(Division 1202)
| Motion No. 32 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 90b—Industry
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 33
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(Division 1203)
| Motion No. 33 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 95b—Industry
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 34
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(Division 1204)
| Motion No. 34 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 100b—Industry
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 35
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(Division 1205)
| Motion No. 35 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 1b—Public Works and Government Services
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 36
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(Division 1206)
| Motion No. 36 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 5b—Public Works and Government Services
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 37
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(Division 1207)
| Motion No. 37 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 6b—Public Works and Government Services
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 38
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(Division 1208)
| Motion No. 38 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 25b—Public Works and Government
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 39
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(Division 1209)
| Motion No. 39 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 26b—Public Works and Government
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 40
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(Division 1210)
| Motion No. 40 agreed to
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| Concurrence in Vote 30b—Public Works and Government
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion No. 41
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(Division 1211)
| Motion No. 41 agreed to
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion for concurrence
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(Division 1212)
| Motion agreed to
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| Bill C-29. First reading
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| Second reading
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(Division 1213)
| Motion agreed to
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| Mr. Philip Mayfield |
| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion for concurrence
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(Division 1214)
| Motion agreed to
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| Third reading
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(Division 1215)
| Motion agreed to
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| INTERIM SUPPLY
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| Hon. Lucienne Robillard |
| Motion for concurrence
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(Division 1216)
| Motion agreed to
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| Second reading
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(Division 1217)
| Mr. Philip Mayfield |
| Motion for concurrence
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(Division 1218)
| Motion agreed to
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| Third reading
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(Division 1219)
| Motion agreed to
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| PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS
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| ACT OF INCORPORATION OF THE BOARD OF ELDERS OF THE CANADIAN
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| Mr. Dale Johnston |
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| Motion
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| Mr. Mark Muise |
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| GOVERNMENT ORDERS
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| SUPPLY
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| Allotted Day—Transportation
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| Motion
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| Mr. John Solomon |
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| Ms. Val Meredith |
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| Mr. Rick Casson |
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| Mr. Grant McNally |
| Mr. Mark Muise |
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| Mr. Stan Dromisky |
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| Mr. Dale Johnston |
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| Ms. Val Meredith |
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| Mr. Rick Casson |
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| Mr. Lynn Myers |
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| Mr. Lee Morrison |
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| Mr. Howard Hilstrom |
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| Mr. Jim Gouk |
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| Mr. John Duncan |
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| Mr. Howard Hilstrom |
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| Mr. Chuck Cadman |
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| Mr. Gurmant Grewal |
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EDITED HANSARD • NUMBER 69
HOUSE OF COMMONS
Wednesday, March 22, 2000
The House met at 2 p.m.
Prayers
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The Speaker: As is our practice on Wednesday we will now
sing O Canada, and we will be led by the hon. member for
Burlington.
[Editor's Note: Members sang the national anthem]
STATEMENTS BY MEMBERS
[English]
WORLD WATER DAY
Ms. Jean Augustine (Etobicoke—Lakeshore, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, today is World Water Day.
In 1993 the United Nations declared March 22 as a special day
for water, with the aim of sensitizing people to the declining
quality and quantity of the world's water supply.
Water constitutes one of the very basic needs of human beings,
yet in many parts of the world, especially in Asia, people do not
have access to a clean and safe supply of water. Today over one
billion people are without access to clean water and over three
billion people are without sanitation facilities.
Though 9% of the world's renewable fresh water is found within
Canada, our water supplies are vulnerable to global pollution and
climate change.
Unsafe or scarce water results in food shortages and serious
health problems, such as diarrhea, skin diseases and hepatitis.
I commend the Government of Canada for its efforts to improve
access to safe water in communities across Canada and abroad
through CIDA projects and the Canada-wide six year green
infrastructure program.
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BILL C-23
Mr. Leon E. Benoit (Lakeland, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, Bill
C-23, the Liberal bill which is before the House, will grant the
same spousal benefits to same sex partners as those granted to
married couples.
My office has been flooded with letters, e-mails and phone calls
from people who strongly oppose this legislation. These are
people who understand the importance of building and maintaining
strong families.
There are two strongly opposed aspects of the bill. First, that
the definition of marriage, which was reconfirmed by the House
when a Reform motion was passed just a few months ago as the
union of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others, is
not included in the bill. This is quite a surprise, considering
that the Liberal Party defeated a motion recognizing same sex
marriages at its convention this past weekend.
Second, my constituents and many others oppose basing
eligibility for benefits on whether couples have sex.
The fact that the government has tabled and will pass a bill
which shows so little commitment to the family leaves no doubt
about the value this government places on marriage and on the
family.
* * *
THE HON. MICHAEL STARR
Mr. Alex Shepherd (Durham, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I was
saddened last weekend to hear of the passing of one of Canada's
great parliamentarians, the Hon. Michael Starr.
Mr. Starr represented part of my riding and I met with him on a
number of occasions.
This feisty Ukrainian was first elected to the House on May 26,
1952.
Mr. Starr's compassion for the underdog elevated him to the
position of Minister of Labour from 1957 to 1963. He later
became interim leader for the opposition during the Diefenbaker
years.
The appointment of Mr. Starr as Minister of Labour made him the
first Canadian of Ukrainian descent to be appointed to the
federal cabinet.
I can tell the House that I have run into a lot of his
supporters on my rounds, and they all have a story to tell. I
think the most interesting was when Mr. Starr went down to the
Unemployment Insurance Commission and got in line with a lot of
GM workers to see what it would be like. In short order he
bellowed out from the end of the line that if it did not start
moving, somebody would lose their job.
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[Translation]
GREEK INDEPENDENCE DAY
Ms. Eleni Bakopanos (Ahuntsic, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, March 25 is
Greek Independence Day. For all Canadians of Hellenic origin,
and all Hellenes throughout the world, this national holiday
commemorates the most significant day in our history.
[English]
March 25 reunites all Hellenes around the world, including the
300,000 living in Canada, reminding us that we should be proud of
our heritage and of our ancestors.
Our Hellenic ancestors fought for justice, for liberty, for
democracy and for freedom of a nation, the same rights guaranteed
by Canada's charter of rights and freedoms.
They found the courage and the strength to say “Enough. We will
free our spirits, our children and the memory of all our brothers
and sisters who did not survive to see an independent Greece”.
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I invite all parliamentarians and all Canadians to celebrate
with Canadians of Hellenic origin.
[Editor's Note: Member spoke in Greek]
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[English]
PAKISTAN
Mr. Paul Bonwick (Simcoe—Grey, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I am
extremely proud to announce that March 23 is Pakistan's Republic
Day. Celebrations will be held throughout Canada and Pakistan
recognizing that on this day in 1940 the Muslims of the
British-ruled subcontinent adopted a resolution to strive for an
independent country which we know as Pakistan.
During the struggle for freedom the concept of an independent
Pakistan was presented by the famous intellectual and poet Sir
Mohammad Iqbal. His work and its underlining thought motivated
the masses.
The political leadership of this movement was entrusted to
Mohammad Ali Jinnah, or Qaid-e-Azam, meaning the great leader.
His unwavering commitment, statesmanship, sincerity and belief in
his cause won him the undivided support of Muslims in Pakistan.
It is for this reason I ask Canada's parliament to join me in
recognizing and congratulating Pakistanis both here at home and
in their native land on their special day, March 23, the day on
which a great nation was born.
My friends, Pakistan Zinda Bad—long live Pakistan.
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CORRECTIONAL SERVICE CANADA
Mr. Myron Thompson (Wild Rose, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, amid
multimillion dollar deficits and cutbacks to our frontline
correction officers, Correctional Service Canada came up with an
ingenious idea of producing a glossy millennium calendar for our
inmates and parolees.
If Correctional Service Canada is willing to waste $78,000 on
calendars for inmates, then what is next?
I am very concerned that the commissioner has gone new age and
we will soon seen mud baths, herbal wraps and yogi flying at the
Kingston pen.
I honestly do not think the solicitor general knows what has
been spent. From documents I have obtained I know that on
October 12, 1999 his department needed $75,000, but was short
$30,000, which was diverted from other areas to complete the
project. To add insult to injury, no one wants the darn things.
I have a box of returned calendars for the solicitor general.
Lesson No. 5 is a little fatherly advice for the solicitor
general: get control over the commissioner or face my next
lesson on basic government management. He knows the part. It
says that cabinet ministers outrank department heads.
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[Translation]
AMATEUR SPORT
Mrs. Marlene Jennings (Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, the Canadian government has just announced that the
carding system for financial assistance to amateur athletes will
be simplified.
Senior carded athletes will receive allowances
of $13,200 annually, compared to the previous amount, which
ranged between $6,720 and $9,720. Development carded athletes
will receive $6,000 annually.
The government has also announced its intention to create a
national training centre in Quebec City.
Finally, starting in June, the minister responsible for amateur
sport will begin a series of regional consultations leading up
to a National Summit on Sport in February 2001 and to the
development of a national sport policy.
Things are on the move in the world of amateur sport. With this
good news, our government is showing its faith in Canadian
athletes.
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YOUNG OFFENDERS
Mr. Michel Bellehumeur (Berthier—Montcalm, BQ): Mr. Speaker, the
Coalition pour la justice des mineurs, a group of major Quebec
organizations working with young offenders, asked this question:
How will the 197 clauses of Bill C-3, this array of principles
and objectives on tens of subsections, paragraphs and
subparagraphs, these countless references to the Criminal Code,
these 70 pages guiding the judge in determining the sentence and
the custody provisions, these complex calculations about the
release of an offender, in short this cumbersome semantic and
legal document, help establish a more transparent judicial
process?
What is the response of the Quebec federal Liberals to this
question asked by coalition members? Are federal Liberal members
blindly condoning a bill that is both complex and dangerous?
When will federal Liberals from Quebec support the stakeholders
who, for the past 30 years, have been working so hard to make
our communities safer?
There is still time for them to wake up.
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[English]
RICHMOND HILL
Mr. Bryon Wilfert (Oak Ridges, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I rise
today to congratulate the budget team of the town of Richmond
Hill. The town recently received the Distinguished Budget
Presentation Award from the Government Finance Officers
Association of the United States and Canada.
In order to receive the award, the town fulfilled nationally
recognized guidelines for effective budget presentation. These
guidelines assessed how well the town's budget served as a policy
document, a financial plan, an operations guide and a
communications device.
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Having worked with these financial professionals before coming
to this place, I know that they are very deserving of this award.
I would like to offer the town staff my congratulations on a job
very well done.
* * *
KASHMIR
Mr. Gurmant Grewal (Surrey Central, Ref.): Mr. Speaker,
Canadians lament the murder of 36 innocent Sikh villagers killed
in Kashmir.
The sovereignty over the Kashmir territory between India and
Pakistan is the oldest pending border dispute in the world and
the most dangerous place on earth, according to U.S. President
Clinton.
Canada lost influence in the region when this government had a
knee-jerk reaction and hastily imposed sanctions on India and
Pakistan after their nuclear tests in 1998. This weak Liberal
government is doing nothing to support the American initiative.
Canadians are concerned that the conflict between these two
nuclear powers should not only be contained but resolved.
Both India and Pakistan should respect the line of control they
agreed to in 1972.
Canada has spent billions of dollars trying to cure conflict in
the world, but the Liberals do not have the political will to
prevent conflicts. Canadians want the government to be concerned
and proactive before it is too late.
* * *
ATLANTIC CANADIANS
Mr. Lawrence D. O'Brien (Labrador, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
Atlantic delegates came to the Liberal biennial convention this
past weekend to put the ideas of Atlantic Canadians on the
national stage. The delegates worked together to voice their
priorities for the future of our great region with keen
determination.
Their success was shown by many key priorities of Atlantic
Canadians being adopted, concerning such matters as the Port of
Halifax, P.E.I. potato inspection fees and employment insurance.
Additionally, the convention unanimously endorsed a resolution
calling for the adoption of the economic strategies outlined in
“Catching Tomorrow's Wave”.
I would like to thank Geoff Regan, John O'Brien, Jack Graham,
Sandra Kromm, Lisa Lacenaire, Melissa MacInnis and Scott Andrews,
who offered their candidacy for numerous voluntary positions
within the Liberal Party of Canada.
Finally, congratulations are also in order for the Dalhousie
Young Liberals who—
The Speaker: The hon. member for Bras d'Or—Cape Breton.
* * *
HOME CARE
Mrs. Michelle Dockrill (Bras d'Or—Cape Breton, NDP): Mr.
Speaker, last month the government released a damning report of
its own lack of a comprehensive policy on home care. The report
released by Status of Women states that there is an extreme
gender imbalance in all aspects of home care. The study further
condemns the government's inactions by stating that this
government's policies and practices have a negative financial
impact on women as home care recipients and as providers, whether
paid or unpaid.
The report indicates that poverty is not uncommon among female
home care providers, recipients and their families.
While the government is cutting back on health care, it is also
causing enormous difficulties for those who are dependent on home
care.
It is unthinkable that the government should continue policies
which so clearly cause increased economic, social and medical
suffering to so many women. Comprehensive standards for home
care and home care providers must be developed now. At the
beginning of the new millennium it is unthinkable that the
government should allow conditions for an extreme gender
imbalance—
The Speaker: The hon. member for Beauharnois—Salaberry.
* * *
[Translation]
BILL C-20
Mr. Daniel Turp (Beauharnois—Salaberry, BQ): Mr. Speaker,
yesterday, the group Pro-démocratie launched an awareness and
information campaign under the theme “With C-20 nothing holds any
more”.
This action by the civil society is in the wake of the measures
taken by Quebec political parties, both here in this parliament
and at the Quebec National Assembly. The objective of the
campaign is to bring the federal government back to its senses,
so that it will withdraw this contemptuous legislation.
But instead of giving up Bill C-20, the Liberal Party appears to
be in the process of ditching its leader.
The Pro-démocratie spokesperson views Bill C-20 as an attack
against Canada's democratic institutions. Gérald Larose and
André Tremblay are saying that “the target today is Quebec, but
when the federal government tampers with the democratic rules,
it is the freedom of all Canadians that is being jeopardized”.
When will the Liberal leadership contenders pledge to withdraw
Bill C-20 and restore Canadian democracy?
* * *
[English]
TAIWAN
Mr. Ted McWhinney (Vancouver Quadra, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
the presidential elections in Taiwan offer concrete proof of the
success of the constitutional amendments adopted in Taiwan in
1994, introducing direct presidential election.
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After half a century in power, the original founding political
party will be replaced in the presidency by the main opposition
party. The verdict of the popular vote has been accepted. There
will be a full constitutional succession in an atmosphere of
political peace and goodwill.
The constitutional rules of the game, whose observance is vital
for a free democratic society, will be respected in their full
spirit as well as their letter.
* * *
ST. FRANCIS XAVIER X-MEN
Mr. Peter MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough, PC):
Mr. Speaker, I rise today with pride to congratulate the St.
Francis Xavier X-Men on winning the CIAU men's basketball title.
Sunday's 61-60 victory was a tightly contested match between the
University of Brandon Bobcats and the X-Men, but for the second
time in less than a decade, the X-Men came away with the national
championship.
St. FX all-Canadian forward Fred Perry was named game MVP, while
Randy Nohr, whose last second shot won the game for the X-Men,
was the tournament MVP.
I invite all X-Men fans to join the thousands of St. FX students
and alumni at today's rally in Antigonish to honour the champs.
Time and time again the young men who wear the X-Men basketball
jersey have proven they are a class act on the court, in the
classroom and in the community of Antigonish. This stems from
strong mentoring from head coach Steve Konchalski.
The X-Men are number one. So is St. FX university as it
continues to excel academically, athletically and spiritually as
a world class institution of higher learning.
Hail and health to the national champs, an extraordinary effort.
ORAL QUESTION PERIOD
[English]
HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
Mr. Preston Manning (Leader of the Opposition, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, millions of dollars of taxpayers' money has been
funnelled into the human resources minister's riding even though
Brantford does not qualify for transitional jobs fund grants.
For months the minister has been saying that there were pockets
of unemployment that justified giving these grants. Yesterday,
Mel Cappe, the minister's former deputy, told a committee of this
House there were no explicit guidelines for directing these funds
to pockets of unemployment. The question is very simple. Who is
misleading us?
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, again, there is no contradiction between
what the clerk said and what we have been saying in the House for
a number of weeks now. There are four clear criteria that guided
the transitional jobs fund. There was also flexibility to ensure
that we could make investments in regions in every part of this
country.
Mr. Preston Manning (Leader of the Opposition, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, why is it that the minister has so much difficulty
answering this very simple question? Either there were
guidelines for directing funds to pockets of unemployment or
there were not. The former deputy minister says there were not.
The minister repeatedly implies that there were. Who is wrong?
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, it is the hon. member who is wrong.
As we have said on a number of occasions, it is thanks to that
flexibility that allowed us to invest in areas where there was
less than 12% unemployment, including the Reform ridings of
Kootenay—Columbia, Nanaimo—Alberni, Nanaimo—Cowichan,
Okanagan—Coquihalla and there are more. Perhaps the hon. member
would like to ask his own colleagues why we made those
investments in their ridings.
Mr. Preston Manning (Leader of the Opposition, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, there is a more likely explanation but the minister will
not give it. That is that there are no fixed criteria for
allocating these grants because the government likes it that way.
Under the guise of flexibility, the government can dole out
grants not only to legitimate recipients but also to its friends
and donors regardless of whether or not they qualify.
When the minister says that flexibility is her guideline, is she
not really saying that the door is open to a political and
patronage directed granting system?
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, absolutely not.
Let me just point out again for the record that party keeps
casting aspersions on communities that had difficulties where
unemployment levels were so very high. Those members are casting
aspersions on the individuals who are benefiting from this money.
I think Canadians are starting to wonder what it is that that
party does stand for.
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Miss Deborah Grey (Edmonton North, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I
think we are casting aspersions on the programs that are
absolutely illegitimate and politically motivated.
The Prime Minister said yesterday “Probably I should offer an
apology to the people of Alberta because if we did not have
flexibility in the program, not one cent would have gone to that
province”. It turns out that it was so flexible that the
justice minister got $2.5 million in her riding. The 24 Reform
ridings combined got $1 million.
Why is the Prime Minister's flexibility limited to dishing out
cash in cliffhanger Liberal seats?
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, let me point out that one of the very
important projects funded in the province of Alberta went to the
Canadian Paraplegic Association. It has come out on record
supporting this undertaking in these investments and indicated
that without this money there are men and women paraplegics in
the province of Alberta, the hon. member's own riding, who would
not be working.
Miss Deborah Grey (Edmonton North, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I
think every paraplegic in the country is every bit as concerned
about the mismanagement of funds by this government.
The Liberals sure do have flex appeal. It is like this, “There
are rules, but we can be flexible”, or how about “Sure the
Treasury Board says we have to do this, but we can be flexible”,
or how about, “The Financial Administration Act, do not worry
about it. It is flexible”.
Why is it that when the Prime Minister talks about flexibility,
he really means flipping cash for Liberal seats?
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I would ask why is it that party over
there does not take the time to talk to its own members who have
benefited from the investments of the Government of Canada. They
have seen constituents in their ridings working where they would
not otherwise be working. Why does the member not take the time
to talk to the member for Okanagan—Shuswap who as recently as
last week came over to me with a letter from the mayor of one of
his communities encouraging me to approve a Canada jobs fund
project in that riding?
[Translation]
Mr. Gilles Duceppe (Laurier—Sainte-Marie, BQ): Mr. Speaker, as
justification for payment of the $1.2 million grant to Placeteco,
the minister said she had received invoices indicating that jobs
had been created or maintained.
What sort of invoices is the minister talking about and how much
of the $1.2 million did her department pay out?
[English]
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, again I want to make it clear that the
invoices we received were sufficient to cover the expenses and
the costs that were invested by the Government of Canada in this
project. I say again that our choice was to continue to ensure
that the opportunities were there for those men and women working
at Placeteco, at Techni-Paint because from our point of view,
making sure that they continue to have work was the right thing
to do.
[Translation]
Mr. Gilles Duceppe (Laurier—Sainte-Marie, BQ): Mr. Speaker, so
the minister is telling us that she received invoices for
$1.2 million. We know that $1 million was used to pay off a
National Bank of Canada loan. That leaves $200,000 unaccounted
for.
Exactly what sort of invoices were they, for what purposes, and
is she prepared to table them here in the House so that we may
see what became of the $200,000? Because we know where the
first $1 million went: not into creating or maintaining jobs but
into paying off a National Bank of Canada loan.
[English]
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, again I would say that we have been
working with the sponsors in this project. We have reviewed the
files in both Placeteco and Techni-Paint. I would remind the
House that this was an undertaking supported by the Government of
Quebec because in this region of high unemployment, it was viewed
to be appropriate and the correct way to invest.
[Translation]
Mr. Paul Crête (Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup—Témiscouata—Les Basques,
BQ): Mr. Speaker, since the minister is still refusing to launch
an investigation into the Placeteco affair, we have no other
choice but to ask questions so that taxpayers may know what the
$1.2 million grant was used for.
What we are asking for is not unreasonable. All we wish to know
is what kind of invoices were supplied to the minister to
justify payment of the grant to Placeteco.
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[English]
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, in this particular case the money went to
salaries, to supplies. It went to an undertaking in the
community of Shawinigan and also in the community of
Trois-Rivières. Some 170 people are working. That was the
intent of this program and it is working.
[Translation]
Mr. Paul Crête (Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup—Témiscouata—Les Basques,
BQ): Yet it is simple, Mr. Speaker.
The minister tells us there were invoices justifying the payment
of the grant. Can she tell us whether the money went to pay a
$1 million debt to the National Bank?
[English]
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I say again that the invoices were for
salaries and overhead. They were not used for a banker payment.
* * *
HEALTH CARE
Ms. Alexa McDonough (Halifax, NDP): Mr. Speaker, Alberta
admits that Bill 11 is based on a secret deal with the Liberals.
Let me quote the memo that confirms it:
Without Health Canada's agreement on the principle that it is
acceptable for physicians to work in both the public and private
sectors, the existing private clinic policy would not have been
possible to implement.
Why does the Prime Minister not admit the obvious, that Ottawa
acquiesced to privatization in the Alberta principles and that
the government must now repeal this deal if the spread of two
tier private medicine is to be stopped?
Right Hon. Jean Chrétien (Prime Minister, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, the minister and I have been very clear that the five
conditions of medicare will be respected in all circumstances. In
1997 I understand there was correspondence between officials
dealing with this problem but there was no agreement by the
federal government. The document to which the member referred
refers to directives by the Alberta government.
Ms. Alexa McDonough (Halifax, NDP): Mr. Speaker,
apparently the government's narrow notion of defending the Canada
Health Act does not actually include taking any action to stop
the spread of two tier private medicine.
Action is needed now. The Prime Minister is going to Alberta
this week. Will he move beyond the empty speeches? Will he
repeal his secret deal which paves the way for a parallel, for
profit health care system right across the country?
Right Hon. Jean Chrétien (Prime Minister, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, there is absolutely no secret deal, absolutely none. I
will tell the premier when I meet him tomorrow very clearly that
Alberta, like any other provincial government, is obliged to
respect the five conditions of medicare. If it does not do that,
we will do what we have done previously against the Government of
Alberta, keep the money because it is not doing what it ought to
do.
* * *
THE ECONOMY
Mr. Peter MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough, PC):
Mr. Speaker, fuel prices across the nation have hit an all-time
high threatening to ripple through the economy in the form of
higher prices on goods and services. Today the Bank of Canada
raised its key lending rate by a quarter point setting off a rise
in the interest rates Canadians and businesses pay for loans and
mortgages.
Can the Minister of Finance tell us what his plans are to
prevent a potentially crippling round of inflation in Canada?
Hon. Paul Martin (Minister of Finance, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, most economists will tell us while there is no doubt
that rising fuel prices do place undue impact on families, on
those who are driving cars, that in fact the current situation is
not inflationary. The output gap in Canada remains such that
while we must always be vigilant about inflation, it is well
within check.
Mr. Peter MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough, PC):
Mr. Speaker, that indicates that the Minister of Finance seems
totally oblivious to the signs of economic trouble. It is
ordinary Canadians who will pay the price for his indifference
through escalating costs for consumer prices and high interest
rates.
What is the minister doing to prevent the kind of economic
meltdown that we experienced during the Trudeau years? I remind
him he has been there seven years.
Hon. Paul Martin (Minister of Finance, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, the hon. member first of all has the wrong years. They
were much more recent than that.
What the hon. member ought to understand, and perhaps the
question he might want to address, is that in the Tories' tax
plan brought down about a month and a half ago, not once did they
mention rising fuel prices. Not once did they mention the plight
of ordinary Canadians.
It is members on this side of the House who have led the fight
to make sure we take care of them.
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HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
Mrs. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, we know there was flexibility in HRDC. Things were so
flexible people did not even have to apply to get the public's
money from the government.
This is not about flexibility but about a document appearing
when there should be none. The then deputy minister said
yesterday that there were no explicit guidelines about pockets.
However, the minister recently distributed a document to back up
her claims that there were explicit guidelines.
Why did the minister write down policy that apparently existed
only in her own mind?
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, again, when we look at the transitional
jobs fund, the whole point was to help communities with areas of
high unemployment to provide opportunities where they would not
otherwise be found.
I have talked about this on a number of occasions. Originally
75% of the funds were to go to areas where unemployment levels
were above 12%, and 25% for areas below 12%.
In over half the cases where the unemployment levels were less
than 12%, we find the investments in opposition ridings.
Mrs. Diane Ablonczy (Calgary—Nose Hill, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, that answer has nothing to do with the question. The
question is: Why did the deputy minister say that nothing was
written down and the minister produced a document? Obviously
they cannot both be right. Either there are no explicit
guidelines or there are explicit guidelines. Who is telling the
truth in this matter? We need to have an answer?
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the document to which the hon. member
refers outlines exactly how the investments were made in every
region of the country in areas of less than 12% unemployment.
I remind the House that time and again investments were made in
Reform ridings because we believed it was the right thing to do
and because we knew that the people in those areas of northern
British Columbia, for example, needed the support of the
Government of Canada to provide opportunities to diversify
economies.
We know that members on that side of the House think a trickle
down economy will solve the world's problems and the problems
here in our country. We know that is just not so.
[Translation]
Mr. Michel Gauthier (Roberval, BQ): Mr. Speaker, the minister
has just told the House that the $1.2 million in funding was at
no time used to pay back the National Bank.
I have here in front of me the articles of agreement between
Claude Gauthier and René Giguère and the National Bank, and its
subclause 3.2.2 states that “the bridging loan of $1,060,000
will be repaid as the Human Resources Development Canada funding
is received, up to the limit of $1,060,000”. It is further
indicated that any additional amounts received by Placeteco in
connection with the grant could be allocated to its working
capital.
How can the Minister of Human Resources Development say what she
has just—
The Speaker: The hon. Minister of Human Resources Development.
[English]
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, it is not for me to comment on the
transaction of a particular business outside the relationship
that we have with the transitional jobs fund.
What I can say, as I have said on a number of occasions, is that
the invoices that we received from the company for salaries and
supplies were appropriate under the conditions of the
transitional jobs fund program. They were of a value that was
equivalent to the moneys that were allowed.
Some hon. members: Oh, oh.
The Speaker: Order, please. I would invite hon. members
to please stop yelling at one another when the question is being
asked or when the answer is being given. The hon. member for
Roberval.
[Translation]
Mr. Michel Gauthier (Roberval, BQ): Mr. Speaker, the minister's
answers on the two previous cases are disconcerting. Lots of
people are watching us. We have the proof here in front of us
that, out of the $1.2 million, $1,061,000 was used to pay the
National Bank. The minister tells us it was used to pay
invoices.
What I am asking her is to tell us the truth. What invoices were
paid with this money? Did the money get paid to the bank, yes
or no, as the agreement I have just disclosed states? That is
what we want to know. We want to know the truth. Where did the
taxpayers' money go? That is what we want to know.
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The Speaker: When a member from any side speaks to the House,
the truth is what we are going to get. This must never be
challenged.
[English]
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, despite the hon. member's huffing and
puffing, the answer remains the same. After reviewing the
circumstances with the sponsor, we received invoices for salaries
and for overheads that were equivalent to the amounts of money
that were invested through the transitional jobs fund.
* * *
EXPORT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
Mr. Monte Solberg (Medicine Hat, Ref.): Mr. Speaker,
yesterday, in typical Liberal fashion, the international trade
minister only told us half the story about EDC loans.
In the last six years taxpayers have had to reach into their
wallets and bail out just one arm of EDC to the tune of $640
million. That is how much money EDC has lost in bad loans to
foreign countries, loans that were made so that foreign countries
would buy products from some of Canada's biggest and most
profitable corporations.
Why does the government think that Main Street should have to
bail out Bay Street?
Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I know the Reform Party does not like
good news, but I will begin by informing the House that
Statistics Canada reported yesterday that our January exports
exceeded $33 billion and up 2% just last month. This is more
proof that Canada is a country largely dependent on trade and
that EDC is an essential tool for our Canadian exporters.
Mr. Monte Solberg (Medicine Hat, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, that
has more to do with the Canadian peso than anything.
If we give someone a loan but there is no interest paid on it
and there is no requirement to pay it back, is it really a loan
or is it just a giveaway of taxpayer money? Six hundred and
forty million dollars was written off in bad EDC loans and who
had to pay for it? The working people of Canada.
Is it not true that anyone could make a profit if they could
shuffle their losses off to the taxpaying public just like EDC
does?
Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, EDC has made more than $500 million over
the last five years in terms of profit. It is helping Canadian
companies to do very well on international markets. Indeed, the
EDC works with two accounts. It has a corporate account with 98%
of the transactions that describe exactly that.
The member keeps coming back to the Canada account which
represents less than 2% and is there to help Canadian exporters
on distorted markets. It respects every OECD rule and every OECD
country has similar tools.
* * *
[Translation]
HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
Mrs. Christiane Gagnon (Québec, BQ): Mr. Speaker, yesterday, at
the standing committee on human resources development, Mel
Cappe, who was appointed to the highest position in Canada's
public service by the Prime Minister, said in answer to
questions from the opposition that the internal audit reports
for 1991, 1994 and 1997 cannot be released because they have not
yet been translated.
Are we to understand that the highest public servant in the
country is using the Official Languages Act to hide the
administrative mess for which he is responsible?
[English]
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): No, Mr. Speaker. I understand the translation will be
completed shortly and the documents will be available soon.
[Translation]
Mrs. Christiane Gagnon (Québec, BQ): Mr. Speaker, does the
minister find it normal that reports that are nine, six and
three years old have yet to be translated?
[English]
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, they are being translated and they will
be made available as soon as possible.
* * *
EXPORT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Calgary East, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, from
1977 to 1984 the EDC provided specific information on its
transactions listing the borrowing bank, the product, the
Canadian exporter and the amount. In those years Canadians could
track EDC loans for individual projects. Today none of this
information is available to parliament or to Canadians. Why the
secrecy?
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Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, on any EDC transaction all parties
involved have to agree to release any information on the terms.
It is a matter of commercial confidentiality.
Would the member appreciate it if his banker revealed what was
in his bank account or if Revenue Canada shared information? The
permission of the parties, both the seller and the purchaser of
the goods, is needed in order to release information.
Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Calgary East, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, let
me give the minister an example of information found in an 1983
statistic review of the EDC: Country: Egypt; Borrower: Emac
International; Products financed: aluminum form work and shoring
equipment; Principal exporter: Aluma Systems Incorporated;
Amount: $458,000.
If this information was available in 1983, why the secrecy now?
Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, on both the accounts we have described—I
understand they do not want to understand because this is such
good news—the EDC is trying to provide a level playing field for
Canadian exporters on distorted markets, which every other
country is doing. We on this side of the House want to promote
the national and commercial interests of Canadians. We want to
create jobs and export Canadian technologies around the world. We
will continue to do so.
* * *
[Translation]
CINAR
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron (Verchères—Les-Patriotes, BQ): Mr. Speaker,
the serious allegations against Micheline Charest in the CINAR
case are well known.
We also know that, in the past, she presided a fundraising
dinner for the Liberal Party of Canada.
My question is for the Prime Minister. In light of these facts,
does he not agree that common decency requires him to ignore his
buddies and demand that Micheline Charest withdraw from the
board of directors of the Millennium Scholarship Foundation?
Hon. Sheila Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, I already said many times that the member is making
allegations that weigh very heavily on the whole industry.
If he wants to make allegations, he should go to the RCMP, as we
have suggested to him at least ten times.
* * *
NATIONAL DEFENCE
Mrs. Sue Barnes (London West, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, my question is
for the Minister of National Defence.
[English]
One of the most disturbing security issues facing the world
today is the plight of war affected children. According to the
UN, over 300,000 young girls and boys are taking part in armed
conflicts as soldiers.
How will Canada now strengthen its position to help with this
international issue of children in armed conflict?
Hon. Arthur C. Eggleton (Minister of National Defence,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, yesterday in the Senate a bill was
introduced as an amendment to the National Defence Act, which
entrenches, in law, a practice that we have carried out for a
number of years, and that is that no one under the age of 18 can
be deployed to an area of hostilities in the name of the Canadian
forces.
That helps to set a good, strong example of leadership for
Canada to participate with other countries at the UN in dealing
with the problem of war affected children. I am pleased to be
working with my colleague in Foreign Affairs and International
Co-operation to reduce the plight against war affected children.
* * *
EXPORT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
Mr. Keith Martin (Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, the U.S. company Amtrak has been losing billions of
dollars for many years. What happens? This government takes a
billion dollars of taxpayer money and loans it secretly to this
company.
My question is very simple. Why is this government lending
billions of Canadian taxpayer dollars to a failed U.S. company?
[Translation]
Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I should perhaps repeat this answer in
French, because Reformers seem not to understand their own
language.
The Export Development Corporation does not give grants. The
Export Development Corporation does not use taxpayers' money.
It funds grants from its own budget, from its own funds, and its
transactions are strictly commercial.
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[English]
Mr. Keith Martin (Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, this is an issue of using Canadian taxpayer money
wisely. Canadians who have cancer are waiting more than 14 weeks
for the treatment they require because we do not have the money.
My question is simple. Why is the government lending taxpayer
money to a failed U.S. company, a company that the U.S.
government would not touch with a 10 foot pole, instead of
spending it here in Canada for Canadians?
Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the EDC's corporate account does not use
Canadian taxpayer money for these loans. Can I be any more clear
than that?
It has received in the last 56 years $1 billion which is in its
equity. The $40 billion it uses to help Canadian exporters comes
from its own coffers, profits it has made—
Some hon. members: Hear, hear.
The Speaker: Order, please. Perhaps the hon. Minister
for International Trade has not finished.
Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew: Mr. Speaker, I think it is
important to realize that we have a corporation which has helped
to leverage more than $300 billion of exports on international
markets over its history. This is an extraordinary contribution.
Members of the Reform Party should ask the business sector what
it thinks of this remarkable contribution.
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HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
Ms. Libby Davies (Vancouver East, NDP): Mr. Speaker,
instead of fighting off talk of who his successor will be the
Prime Minister should focus his time on finding a successor for
his human resources minister.
Testimony yesterday by the former deputy minister clearly
contradicts her statements about the loose rules for the
so-called poverty pockets and transitional job funds. It is
pretty clear the minister cannot even manage the cover-up that
the government concocted.
Some hon. members: Oh, oh.
The Speaker: Order, please. Go directly to the question,
please.
Ms. Libby Davies: Mr. Speaker, will the Prime Minister
admit that the loopholes were built into the program purposely,
not to help the unemployed but to help bolster Liberal fortunes?
Right Hon. Jean Chrétien (Prime Minister, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, I am sorry because, yes, we have to have some
flexibility. Twenty-five per cent of the money was used for
flexibility in the ridings of Esquimalt—Juan de Fuca, Kelowna,
Kootenay—Columbia, Nanaimo—Alberni, Nanaimo—Cowichan,
Okanagan—Shuswap, Vancouver Island North,
Kootenay—Boundary—Okanagan and so on.
They are Reform ridings and some on the list are NDP ridings, but
there is a good chance that they will be Liberal ridings after
the next election.
Mr. Pat Martin (Winnipeg Centre, NDP): Mr. Speaker, it
can be very frustrating, just when you learn the game, that they
change the rules on you.
The riding of Winnipeg Centre was told in no uncertain terms
that it did not qualify for any TJF money. Only now that the
program is over do we learn about flexibility, pockets of
unemployment and all this stuff.
Could the minister explain to the people of Winnipeg Centre why
pockets of unemployment in her riding qualify for millions and
millions of dollars and pockets of unemployment which are all too
real in my riding qualify for not one cent of TJF money?
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, what I will explain is that we have made
huge investments in the riding of the hon. member, huge
investments that have been there to assist—
Some hon. members: Oh, oh.
The Speaker: Order, please. We heard the question. Now
we will hear the answer, please.
Hon. Jane Stewart: There were huge investments under
grants and contributions from the Department of Human Resources
Development Canada. If the hon. member would like to return
them, it would be up to him.
[Translation]
Mr. Jean Dubé (Madawaska—Restigouche, PC): Mr. Speaker, this week
the senior public servant in the land flatly contradicted the
Minister of Human Resources Development on the issue of pockets
of poverty.
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Will the minister explain to us what a pocket of poverty is? Is
it three Liberals in an apartment on Main Street in her riding?
The Speaker: Only the first part of the question is in order.
The hon. Minister of Human Resources Development.
[English]
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, again the hon. member is incorrect. The
clerks and I are not disagreeing on how the transitional jobs
fund moneys were invested.
I would remind the House again that in areas where unemployment
was less than 12%, the majority of the money, the majority of the
projects is found in opposition ridings.
Mr. Jean Dubé (Madawaska—Restigouche, PC): Mr. Speaker,
when the government introduced TJF after the reform to employment
insurance why were there no specific guidelines to protect
taxpayers' very important money? Why were there no special
guidelines to protect them from the very mismanagement we have
before us today?
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, again with regard to the transitional
jobs fund there were 40 criteria. Those were applied across the
country.
There was also thankfully the opportunity to be flexible so that
we could make investments in regions across the country that
needed help. That included opportunities in northern British
Columbia. That included opportunities in Alberta, Manitoba and
Saskatchewan.
From our point of view ensuring that we had the opportunity to
support aboriginal communities, Canadians with disabilities and
areas, as I say, in northern British Columbia where they needed
to diversify the economy, was absolutely the right thing to do.
* * *
THE ENVIRONMENT
Mr. Joe Jordan (Leeds—Grenville, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
today is World Water Day, a day recognized throughout the world
to draw attention within the international community to the
urgent need for the sustainable use of water resources.
Could the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of the
Environment tell the House what Canada is doing to protect its
own fresh water resources?
Ms. Paddy Torsney (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of the
Environment, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the government is leading
the way with initiatives to restore, to conserve and to protect
major Canadian watersheds and ecosystems, to clean up our water
and to protect this most precious resource.
It is the Minister of the Environment who is working with his
provincial and territorial colleagues, leading the way on a
Canada-wide strategy and accord by prohibiting bulk water
removals. Furthermore—
Some hon. members: Oh, oh.
The Speaker: Order, please. The hon. parliamentary
secretary.
Ms. Paddy Torsney: Mr. Speaker, although members opposite
did not seem to notice, the most recent budget included an extra
$133 million to ensure we meet our target, to ensure that we have
a cleaner environment for all Canadians.
* * *
EXPORT DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION
Mr. Charlie Penson (Peace River, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, the
Minister for International Trade said that EDC does not give
grants, but we know it gives interest-free loans for up to 55
years. They are not payable for that time.
Public accounts show that the Export Development Corporation has
lent Venezuela $24 million. Venezuela is one of the original
members of OPEC, the international oil cartel which is
responsible for the high gas prices that Canadians pay currently
at the pumps.
Why does EDC feel it is necessary to lend money to a country
whose policies are distorting international oil prices and which
are directly hitting Canadians in their wallets every time—
The Speaker: The hon. Minister for International Trade.
Hon. Pierre S. Pettigrew (Minister for International Trade,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I think it is quite important to
understand the role of the Canada account. It can take the form
of insurance, guarantees or financing. There is nothing new
here. Canada has been using the Canada account for more than 30
years.
Virtually every other OECD country does the same thing to help
their exporters on distorted markets. The United States, for
example, has a $500 million war chest that it uses to help its
firms match financing. Every other country does exactly the
same.
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[Translation]
GASOLINE PRICING
Mr. Pierre Brien (Témiscamingue, BQ): Mr. Speaker, the Minister
of Industry has announced with great pomp and circumstance that
he would, at the cost of $600,000, give the conference board the
responsibility for looking into the rising prices of gasoline,
whereas in a report published in June 1998, 47 members of his
party voiced their concern for the recent tendency of the
federal government to turn to outside bodies for data and
figures on the oil industry.
How can the minister justify such an expenditure, when the
taxpayers are already paying $25 million yearly for the
Competition Bureau to carry out this type of inquiry?
Hon. John Manley (Minister of Industry, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the
matters to be examined by the conference board are broader than
just competition. We are trying to determine a variety of
information on a variety of subjects, including the relationship
between the prices of gasoline and other market factors.
The role of the Competition Bureau is limited to matters
relating solely to competition, based on evidence submitted to
it.
[English]
Mr. John Solomon (Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, NDP): Mr.
Speaker, the government's three quarter of a million dollar gas
price study does nothing for people coping with high energy
prices. This is buck passing at its worst. All it does is
transfer hard earned cash from consumers to consultants.
By the time the conference board reports, soaring energy costs
will eat up every penny of the farm aid package, all future tax
cuts, and many more truckers will have gone bankrupt.
Crude prices are dropping but consumers have not seen any relief
at the pumps. I ask the Prime Minister if this is all we can
expect from his government. Where is his action plan to protect
Canadian consumers from soaring energy costs?
Hon. Ralph E. Goodale (Minister of Natural Resources and
Minister responsible for the Canadian Wheat Board, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, I will quote from the Regina Leader Post of
yesterday:
One of the industry's most persistent critics (the hon. member
for Regina who has just spoken) praised the announcement by his
Liberal counterpart. “The study is a good idea. I think there's
some value in it”.
He called upon us to proceed with it right away. The member is
talking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time.
* * *
NATIONAL PARKS
Mr. Mark Muise (West Nova, PC): Mr. Speaker, tomorrow Mr.
Jacques Gérin will be releasing a scathing report on the state of
our national parks. Is the timing of the release orchestrated to
justify the government's economic development restrictions
contained in Bill C-27?
Hon. Sheila Copps (Minister of Canadian Heritage, Lib.):
Mr. Speaker, I think the hon. member is speaking of the report
that will be released by Mr. Jacques Gérin tomorrow. I think the
report will have some very pertinent information for the
government in terms of ensuring the ecological integrity of the
park system.
I know, because of the strong support that the budget gave to
the whole issue of the environment, it is very important that
ecological integrity be included at the top of the issue of
parks. Those will hopefully be the points made in Mr. Gérin's
report tomorrow, which I know will be supported by all members of
the House.
* * *
[Translation]
JEUX DE LA FRANCOPHONIE
Mr. Mac Harb (Ottawa Centre, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, it is with
great pride that the Ottawa-Hull region will host the Jeux de la
Francophonie in July 2001.
Could the minister, who chairs the games' steering committee,
tell us what progress has been made regarding the use of both
official languages at these games?
Hon. Don Boudria (Leader of the Government in the House of
Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to tell this House
that the linguistic issue at the Jeux de la Francophonie has
indeed been settled.
Recently, at a conference held in Beirut, all the participants,
including Quebec, endorsed the following proposal from Canada
“First, the Jeux de la Francophonie will essentially be held in
French; the games will have a francophone image and there is
absolutely no intention of anglicizing these games”.
These games will be a success. The Government of Canada is
committed. They will be the best Jeux de la Francophonie so far.
ROUTINE PROCEEDINGS
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[English]
EMPLOYMENT INSURANCE
Hon. Jane Stewart (Minister of Human Resources Development,
Lib.): Mr. Speaker, pursuant to paragraph 3(3) of the
Employment Insurance Act, I am pleased to table two copies, in
both official languages, of the annual employment insurance
monitoring and assessment report for the year 1999.
* * *
GOVERNMENT RESPONSE TO PETITIONS
Mr. Derek Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
pursuant to Standing Order 36, I have the honour to table, in
both official languages, the government's response to six
petitions.
* * *
COMMITTEES OF THE HOUSE
PROCEDURE AND HOUSE AFFAIRS
Mr. Derek Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I
have the honour to present the 21st report of the Standing
Committee on Procedure and House Affairs regarding the membership
of the Standing Committee on Industry; that of Mr. Lowther for
Mr. Schmidt. If and when the House gives its unanimous consent,
I would move concurrence in this 21st report either later this
day or at a subsequent sitting.
* * *
CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION
Mr. Joe Fontana (London North Centre, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
I have the honour to present, in both official languages, a bona
fide copy of the second report of the Standing Committee on
Citizenship and Immigration entitled “Refugee Protection and
Border Security: Striking a Balance”.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank committee members
for their hard work and good work, the witnesses who appeared
before the committee who gave us their wisdom and thoughts, and
the minister and the officials who also provided us good counsel
and advice. The report contains some 46 recommendations.
We want to assure Canadians that not only is our border secure,
but we want a fair and equitable refugee determination system,
and I believe we have that.
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Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee requests that the
government table a comprehensive response to this report.
[Translation]
PUBLIC ACCOUNTS
Mr. John Richardson (Perth—Middlesex, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
pursuant to Standing Order 108, the Standing Committee on Public
Accounts has the honour to table its sixth report.
After considering the report on the performance of the Office of
the Auditor General of Canada for the period ending March 31,
1999, the Standing Committee on Public Accounts has agreed to
report it.
[English]
Mr. Speaker, in accordance with Standing Order 108(3)(e), the
Standing Committee on Public Accounts has the honour to present
its seventh report. After considering chapter 21 of the November
1999 report of the Auditor General of Canada, entitled “Financial
Information Strategy: Departmental Readiness”, the committee has
agreed to the report.
* * *
OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF CANADA ACT
Mrs. Brenda Chamberlain (Guelph—Wellington, Lib.) moved
for leave to introduce Bill C-451, an act to establish an oath of
allegiance to the flag of Canada.
She said: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise today to table my
private member's bill, an act to establish an oath of allegiance
to the flag of Canada. Many of my hon. colleagues and
constituents will remember that I originally introduced this bill
a few years ago; however, it died on the order paper, so I am
pleased to have the opportunity to reintroduce it today.
This bill calls on a parliamentary committee to work with
Canadians to draft an oath of allegiance to our flag. The oath
would not be mandatory, but would be a way for Canadians to
express their love for our flag and all that it represents.
I look forward to working with my hon. colleagues on both sides
of the House to help make this bill a reality.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
* * *
MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY ACT
Mrs. Brenda Chamberlain (Guelph—Wellington, Lib.) moved
for leave to introduce Bill C-452, an act to amend the Motor
Vehicle Safety Act (ignition security switches).
She said: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to table my private
member's bill this afternoon, entitled an act to amend the Motor
Vehicle Safety Act, which concerns ignition security switches.
Auto theft in this country poses a problem not only in terms of
loss of property but also because stolen cars are often involved
in high speed chases. This bill proposes to amend the Motor
Vehicle Safety Act, making it mandatory for vehicles bearing the
national safety mark to be fitted with a so-called kill switch, a
device which prevents the vehicle from being started without an
ignition key. By making it impossible to hot-wire a car this
would reduce vehicle theft and as a result the number of high
speed chases, resulting in safer roads for all Canadians.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
* * *
CRIMINAL CODE
Mr. Peter MacKay (Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough, PC)
moved for leave to introduce Bill C-453, an act to amend the
Criminal Code (attempting to disarm a peace officer).
He said: Mr. Speaker, I have the pleasure to table, in both
official languages, a bill which, as stated, would amend the
Criminal Code of Canada with respect to attempts to disarm a
police officer.
This bill would make it an indictable offence for any individual
to attempt or to successfully disarm a police officer or a peace
officer or to interfere with their protective equipment. This
offence would carry a maximum term of imprisonment of five years.
The offence would also be included within a list of offences over
which a provincial court judge would have absolute jurisdiction.
There is a similar bill before the House, but I would
respectfully submit that this would be a very worthwhile
amendment to the criminal code. It has received broad support
from those within the policing community and those in the
Canadian Police Association.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
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CONTROLLED DRUGS AND SUBSTANCES ACT
Mr. Bill Gilmour (Nanaimo—Alberni, Ref.) moved for leave
to introduce Bill C-454, an act to to amend the Controlled Drugs
and Substances Act (trafficking in a controlled drug or substance
within five hundred metres of an elementary school or a high
school).
He said: Mr. Speaker, I thank the House for the opportunity to
table my private member's bill, an act to amend the Controlled
Drugs and Substances Act. The bill would provide greater
protection for our youth against the illegal drug trade which is
undermining our society.
My bill proposes to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances
Act to impose a minimum prison term of one year for the first
offence and two years for further offences in cases where a
person is convicted of trafficking in a controlled or restricted
drug or narcotic within five hundred metres of an elementary
school or a high school.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
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[Translation]
ELECTORAL BOUNDARIES READJUSTMENT ACT
Mr. Richard Marceau (Charlesbourg, BQ) moved for leave to
introduce Bill C-455, an act to change the name of the electoral
district of Charlesbourg.
He said: Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure for me today to
introduce in the House a bill to change the name of the riding
of Charlesbourg to Charlesbourg—Jacques-Cartier following
consultation with all the inhabitants, as well as the principal
organizations, of Charlesbourg, including the municipalities.
The name selected by the citizens of Charlesbourg is
Charlesbourg—Jacques-Cartier.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
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ELECTORAL BOUNDARIES READJUSTMENT ACT
Mr. Odina Desrochers (Lotbinière, BQ) moved for leave to
introduce Bill C-456, an act to change the name of the electoral
district of Lotbinière.
He said: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to introduce today a bill to
change the name of the electoral district of Lotbinière to
Lotbinière—L'Érable, which, I think, will be more representative
of the whole district.
The purpose of this change is to give more visibility to the RCM
of L'Érable which, like the RCM of Lotbinière, lies totally
within the boundaries of the new federal electoral district of
Lotbinière. The other RCMs that are part of the electoral
district of Lotbinière are already identified in the names of
neighbouring federal electoral districts.
Moreover, the French word “érable” means maple tree, which is
the most common tree in the area and one of the natural
resources that characterize all the municipalities included in
the electoral district.
In closing, I would like to point out that Plessisville in the
RCM of L'Érable is the maple capital of the world.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
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[English]
IMMIGRATION ACT
Ms. Sophia Leung (Vancouver Kingsway, Lib.) moved for
leave to introduce Bill C-457, an act to amend the Immigration
Act.
She said: Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to introduce my private
member's bill, an act to amend the Immigration Act. The bill
specifically increases the fines and the jail terms for persons
involved in human trafficking and others who break our
immigration laws.
I hope that all members will support this bill in order to
toughen the penalties for those involved in human trafficking.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
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COMPETITION ACT
Mr. Gilles Bernier (Tobique—Mactaquac, PC) moved for
leave to introduce Bill C-458, an act to amend the Competition Act
(contest, lottery or game of chance).
He said: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased today to introduce a private
member's bill to amend the Competition Act. The purpose of this
bill is to prohibit the production or distribution of printed
material that contains a game of chance or where prior payment of
money is required before a prize can be collected. The bill is
designed to protect Canadian consumers from a specific type of
mail fraud. I hope that all members of the House will support
the bill.
(Motions deemed adopted, bill read the first time and
printed)
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PETITIONS
MAMMOGRAPHY
Mr. Ovid L. Jackson (Bruce—Grey, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
pursuant to Standing Order 36, I have the honour to present four
petitions. The first three hail from Hanover, Walkerton,
Meaford, Owen Sound and Elmwood in the riding of Bruce—Grey.
The petitions deal with the subject of mammography. The
petitioners ask that parliament establish an independent
governing body to help implement and enforce uniform and
mandatory mammography quality assurance and control standards in
Canada.
CANADA POST
Mr. Ovid L. Jackson (Bruce—Grey, Lib.): The fourth
petition, Mr. Speaker, is on behalf of rural mail couriers. The
rural mail couriers ask that the Parliament of Canada and Canada
Post make sure that rural mail couriers have all the benefits and
wages that are due to them and to make sure that they are covered
for things like gas prices and so on. I would like to table that
petition.
IMMIGRATION
Mr. Gurmant Grewal (Surrey Central, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I
am honoured to present a petition containing about 75 signatures
of concerned Canadians, mostly from my riding of Surrey Central.
The petitioners feel that the illegal immigrants who arrived on
the Vancouver shores are causing undue hardship for bona fide,
honest refugees. They maintain that our immigration laws
encourage international people smugglers to target Canada.
They are calling on parliament to enact immediate changes to
Canada's immigration laws governing refugees. They want to allow
for the deportation of those who are obviously and blatantly
abusing the system.
OLD AGE SECURITY
Mr. Gurmant Grewal (Surrey Central, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I
am also honoured to present two petitions with about 135
signatures of concerned Canadians, mostly from Ontario. They are
drawing the attention of the House to the discrimination they
declare is caused by Canada's old age security system.
The act discriminates against seniors from certain countries.
Therefore, the petitioners call on parliament to grant old age
security benefits to all seniors over the age of 65 years
irrespective of their country of origin.
However, we know that the weak Liberal government, like the head
tax, continues to discriminate against immigrants from certain
parts of the world. It only follows that the Liberal government
would discriminate against immigrants by—
The Deputy Speaker: The hon. member knows he is to give a
short summary of the petition and not make a speech. I would
invite him to comply with the rules in that regard. If he has
other petitions, I will hear them, otherwise we will move on.
CHILD PORNOGRAPHY
Mr. Gurmant Grewal (Surrey Central, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I
am honoured to present six petitions with just over 500
signatures on them. These signatures are by concerned Canadians,
mostly from my constituency of Surrey Central again.
The petitioners are asking why parliament was not recalled
immediately to invoke section 33 of the Canadian Charter of
Rights and Freedoms, the notwithstanding clause to override the
B.C. court decision and ensure that the possession of child
pornography in B.C. is illegal.
We know that this government will not—
The Deputy Speaker: We will move on.
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CANADA POST
Mr. Peter Adams (Peterborough, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I
present a petition on behalf of rural route mail couriers. These
couriers often earn less than minimum wage and their working
conditions are not good. They have not been allowed to bargain
collectively, yet private sector workers who deliver mail in
rural areas are allowed to do the same, as, of course, are Canada
Post employees who deliver mail in urban areas.
Therefore, these petitioners call on parliament to repeal
section 13(5) of the Canada Post Corporation Act.
THE SENATE
Hon. Lorne Nystrom (Regina—Qu'Appelle, NDP): Mr.
Speaker, I have a petition signed by people from St. Catharines,
Thorold and other parts of Ontario, the city of Saskatoon in
Saskatchewan and so on.
The petitioners say that the Senate of Canada is an undemocratic
institution. They are saying that it is composed of non-elected
members who are unaccountable to the people of this country and
that it costs the taxpayers of the country some $50 million a
year. Because of that, Mr. Speaker, you would be surprised to
note, that they want to make sure that we take the measures now
to abolish the Senate.
MAMMOGRAPHY
Mr. Clifford Lincoln (Lac-Saint-Louis, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, I have two petitions. The first one was signed by 124
members of the London and region chapter of the Breast Cancer
Society of Canada.
The petitioners ask parliament to enact legislation to establish
an independent governing body to develop, implement and enforce
uniform and mandatory mammography quality assurance and quality
control standards in Canada.
[Translation]
FALUN GONG
Mr. Clifford Lincoln (Lac-Saint-Louis, Lib.): I would like to
present a second petition signed by several people from my
region in Quebec. The petitioners are calling upon the
Parliament of Canada to continue urging the Chinese government
to release all arrested Falun Gong practitioners in China
immediately, to lift the ban on Falun Gong practice, to withdraw
the international arrest warrant for Mr. Li Hongzhi and to
achieve a peaceful resolution through open dialogue.
[English]
MARRIAGE
Mr. Gilles Bernier (Tobique—Mactaquac, PC): Mr. Speaker,
I rise today in the House to present a petition.
The petitioners say that whereas the majority of Canadians
understand the concept of marriage as only the voluntary union of
a single male and a single female and whereas it is the duty of
parliament to ensure that marriage, as it has always been known
and understood in Canada, be preserved and protected, they call
on parliament to enact legislation such as Bill C-225 so as to
define in statute that a marriage can only be entered into
between a single male and single female.
CHILD PORNOGRAPHY
Mr. Janko Peric (Cambridge, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, it is
about time. Pursuant to Standing Order 36, I have the privilege
to present to the House a petition with 167 signatures from
concerned citizens of my riding of Cambridge.
The petitioners are horrified by the existence of pornography
that depicts children and are shocked by legal determinations
that possession of such pornography is not criminal.
For this reason, the petitioners call on the Parliament of
Canada to take all necessary measures to protect the most
vulnerable members of our society from sexual abuse. The
petitioners request that parliament take steps to ensure that the
possession of child pornography remains a serious criminal
offence and that police forces be directed to enforce this law
for the protection of Canadian children.
Mr. Speaker, I know you do not agree, but I do support my
constituents.
The Deputy Speaker: The hon. member knows it is improper
for him to say whether he agrees or not and he may wait much
longer the next time if he persists. That is two days in a row.
GOODS AND SERVICES TAX
Mr. Nelson Riis (Kamloops, Thompson and Highland Valleys,
NDP): Mr. Speaker, I have 27 petitions but I have narrowed
them down to three for today.
The first one contains almost 45,000 signatures. The petitioners
are primarily concerned about the hideous GST tax. They suggest
that the Government of Canada take action to phase out this tax
as a very progressive tax measure.
THE CONSTITUTION
Mr. Nelson Riis (Kamloops, Thompson and Highland Valleys,
NDP): Mr. Speaker, the second petition is from people in
Kamloops who are concerned about keeping God in our constitution
and have a very strong case to make. I will pass it along to you
later to have a look at, Mr. Speaker. Basically they want to
keep God in the constitution.
CRIMINAL CODE
Mr. Nelson Riis (Kamloops, Thompson and Highland Valleys,
NDP): Mr. Speaker, the last petition I have is from people
who are very concerned about changes to the Criminal Code of
Canada, and they want to amend the code to prevent persons
convicted of serious crimes from being released from custody
pending the hearing of their appeal except in very exceptional
circumstances.
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CHEMICAL PESTICIDES
Mr. Irwin Cotler (Mount Royal, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I am
honoured to present a petition on behalf of the constituents of
Mount Royal calling for an immediate moratorium on the cosmetic
use of chemical pesticides, having regard for the serious and
demonstrable evidence of the risk to the health of Canadians from
coast to coast as a result of the use of these pesticides.
This moratorium is to last until such time as their use has been
scientifically proven to be safe and the long term consequences
of the application are known.
CHILD PORNOGRAPHY
Ms. Beth Phinney (Hamilton Mountain, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
in my first petition, the petitioners are asking parliament to
ensure that the possession of child pornography remains a serious
criminal offence and that police forces be directed to give
priority to enforcing this law for the protection of children.
MAMMOGRAPHY
Ms. Beth Phinney (Hamilton Mountain, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
in my second petition, the petitioners are calling on parliament
to enact legislation to establish an independent governing body
to develop, implement and enforce uniform and mandatory
mammography quality assurance and quality control standards in
Canada.
CHILD POVERTY
Mr. Jake E. Hoeppner (Portage—Lisgar, Ind. Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, I have three petitions.
Two of the petitions urge parliament to fulfill the promise of
the 1989 House of Commons resolution to end child poverty by the
year 2000.
THE CONSTITUTION
Mr. Jake E. Hoeppner (Portage—Lisgar, Ind. Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, in the second petition, the petitioners pray that
parliament refrain from enacting legislation to remove references
to the name of God or to the supremacy of God from the Canadian
Constitution or the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
CANADA POST
Mrs. Karen Redman (Kitchener Centre, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
I rise today to table two petitions in the House on behalf of my
constituents of Kitchener Centre.
The first petition is from the rural route couriers who believe
they are being discriminated against. They call on parliament to
repeal section 13(5) of the Canada Post Corporation Act.
CHILD PORNOGRAPHY
Mrs. Karen Redman (Kitchener Centre, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
the second petition requests that parliament take all necessary
steps to ensure that the possession of child pornography remains
a criminal offence and that police forces be directed to give
priority to enforcing this law for the protection of our
children.
MARRIAGE
Mr. Peter Stoffer (Sackville—Musquodoboit Valley—Eastern
Shore, NDP): Mr. Speaker, you have saved the best for last.
The first petition I have is from my riding of Lower Sackville.
The petitioners pray that parliament withdraw Bill C-23, affirm
the opposite sex definition of marriage in legislation and ensure
that marriage is recognized as a unique institution.
FISHERIES
Mr. Peter Stoffer (Sackville—Musquodoboit Valley—Eastern
Shore, NDP): Mr. Speaker, I have three other petitions from
the fabulous provinces of Nova Scotia and Prince Edward Island.
The petitioners call on parliament to investigate the powers and
the undemocratic actions of the unelected Canada-Nova Scotia
Offshore Petroleum Board and the National Energy Board and remove
NS98-2—Parcel 1 off the western coast of Cape Breton Island
from the very hazardous conditions of our fragile lobster and
fishery sites.
CHILD POVERTY
Mr. Paul Szabo (Mississauga South, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I
am pleased to present a petition on poverty.
The petitioners, from right across Canada, including from my own
riding of Mississauga South, want to draw to the attention of the
House that one in five children live in poverty in Canada.
The petitioners remind us that in 1989 the House passed a
resolution to seek to achieve the elimination of poverty by the
year 2000. Therefore, the petitioners call on parliament to use
budget 2000 to introduce a multi-year program to improve the
well-being of Canada's children. As we all saw, there were
important steps taken in that budget.
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QUESTIONS ON THE ORDER PAPER
Mr. Derek Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I ask
that all questions be allowed to stand.
The Deputy Speaker: Is that agreed?
Some hon. Members: Agreed.
* * *
MOTIONS FOR PAPERS
Mr. Derek Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker,
Notice of Motion for the Production of Papers No. P-4, in the
name of the Hon. member for Brandon—Souris, is acceptable to the
government with the reservation stated in the reply, and the
documents are tabled immediately.
That a humble Address be presented to Her
Excellency praying that she will cause to be laid before the
House copies of all documents, reports, minutes of meetings,
notes, e-mails, memos and correspondence between the Minister of
Agriculture, the Minister of International Trade, the United
States Trade Representative's Office and the United States
Agriculture Secretary concerning agricultural trade irritants and
the World Trade Organization complaints, specifically with
respect to State Trading Enterprises and supply management.
The Deputy Speaker: Subject to the reservations or
conditions expressed by the parliamentary secretary, is it the
pleasure of the House that Motion No. P-4 be deemed to have been
adopted?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
(Motion agreed to)
Mr. Derek Lee: Mr. Speaker, I ask that the remaining
Notices of Motions for the Production of Papers be allowed to
stand.
The Deputy Speaker: Is it agreed?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
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[Translation]
NOTICE PAPER
The Deputy Speaker: I wish to inform the House that there
are some errors in today's Notice Paper under the heading of
Business of Supply.
[English]
On page IV, Motion No. 2, in the name of Mr. John McKay,
Scarborough East under Supplementary Estimates (B), Opposed
Votes, should stand in the name of Mr. Peter MacKay,
Pictou—Antigonish—Guysborough.
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[Translation]
On pages XII and XIII, Motions Nos. 36, 37, 38 and 41 which are
listed under the name of Mr. Lebel (Chambly) in the English text
of Supplementary Estimates (B) should be listed under that name
in the French text, and not that of Mr. Brien (Témiscamingue).
[English]
A corrigendum to that effect is available at the table. I
regret any inconvenience or embarrassment this may have caused
hon. members.
Since today is the final allotted day for the supply period
ending March 31, 2000, the House will go through the usual
procedures to consider and dispose of the supply bills. In view
of recent practice, do hon. members agree that the bills be
distributed now?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
[English]
SUPPLY
ALLOTTED DAY—TRANSPORTATION
Ms. Val Meredith (South Surrey—White Rock—Langley, Ref.)
moved:
That, in the opinion of
this House, the government should provide the necessary
leadership to develop a safe, seamless, integrated transportation
system, by working in conjunction with the other levels of
government and the private sector, to plan, implement and fund
such a system.
She said: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased on behalf of the official
opposition to bring this very important motion to the House and
to debate it before the Canadian public. It is very apparent to
most of us who sat and heard the budget released by the finance
minister that the government places very little importance on the
transportation system in Canada.
We in the official opposition believe that with a country the
size of Canada transportation is critical and crucial. Much of
the history of our country relates and has been developed by
transportation with the train system from coast to coast. Today
our economy depends on a very good seamless transportation
system.
I am not just talking about trucks and highways. Nor am I just
talking about trains and rail, airplanes and airports, or ships
and ports. I am talking about how all these modes of
transportation interconnect in a safe, seamless, integrated
transportation system.
Canada has done exceptionally well over the last number of years
and the government has taken every opportunity to take credit for
it. However our international trade has grown at an incredible
rate and the United States has been responsible for most of that
economic growth, due mainly to the free trade agreement and to
the NAFTA.
I remind Liberals across the floor that they were opposed to
both these agreements that are responsible for the economic
growth the country has faced. Exports to the United States grew
by almost 70% between 1994 and 1999. Today, on average, over
$1.5 billion worth of goods cross the Canada-U.S. border each and
every day. Despite the massive increase in traffic there has
been no corresponding increase in transportation infrastructure.
In fact the federal government spends far fewer dollars on
transportation infrastructure today than it did in 1994.
I will be splitting my time with the member for Calgary East and
opposition members will be splitting their time throughout the
debate.
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As I was saying, the government has not made any commitment to
supporting transportation infrastructure. Although the federal
government has jurisdiction over trade and commerce, the Liberals
have completely abandoned the federal government's role in
interprovincial and international transportation.
There is a growing and existing need for a safe, seamless,
integrated transportation plan, not just a national or a
continental strategy. This is one instance where the federal
government should be playing a leading role but it has completely
removed itself from that discussion and that debate.
We could ask ourselves why there is need for a central plan for
a national continental strategy. We need to develop consistent
transportation regulations with the provinces and with the United
States. I am not just talking about reregulating the industry.
That is not what we want. We do not want the federal government
to reregulate transportation.
There should be minimal consideration of regulations to ensure
safety, to protect environmental concerns and to ensure that
there is competition. I want to make very clear that we are not
talking about the federal government getting back into massive
regulations in transportation, although we recognize there are
areas that might require minimal regulation on the part of the
federal government.
I emphasize that it is important for the federal government to
be acting as a co-ordinator, as a mediator, as a consensus
builder. It is important for the federal government to bring the
parties together at the table. This is an area that the federal
Liberal government of today has reneged on.
While co-operating with other levels of government and the
private sector, the federal government must be prepared to put in
its share of funding. The federal government must recognize that
it plays an important role in developing the infrastructure that
is so important for our economy. The economic wealth and
well-being of our country depend on a very strong and safe
transportation system. The federal government has to play a part
in helping to make this a reality.
The federal government has to quit using fuel taxes as a cash
cow. Last year the federal government collected $4.5 billion in
fuel taxes, and yet it has put only $150 million back into
highway infrastructure. I hear the same complaint from the air
industry where the federal government is taking in hundreds of
millions of dollars in lease agreements but putting only tens of
millions of dollars back into airport infrastructure.
The federal government must overhaul its tax policies for the
transportation industry. In today's economy we find that the
transportation industries in Canada are not competitive
internationally, largely because of the tax structure in this
country. It is important that the government place our
industries in a more competitive position by overhauling its tax
policies.
Our transportation industry has gone through and is going
through some major changes. It is quite apparent to those of us
sitting in opposition and to Canadians generally that the
government is not able to handle these changes. I speak of the
Air Canada acquisition of Canadian Airlines and the fallout. I
speak of the CN-BNSF combination. I speak of the crisis in the
Canadian trucking industry. My colleagues will talk in greater
detail about the particular problems facing each of the various
transportation industries in Canada so I will not dwell on them.
There is great need for the federal government to take a
leadership role in the strategic development of a future
transportation system.
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The federal government must play a leading role. It must be
prepared to make obvious to the transportation industry that it
is a strong player in the discussions that have to take place. It
is not that the government should dictate what those policies
should be, but the federal government must take a leadership role
in bringing the stakeholders to the table and finding a consensus
on how to develop our transportation system. This is badly
needed and has to be done sooner than later.
With the growth in demands in the transportation industry, with
a growth of over 10% of exports and imports over the U.S.-Canada
border per year, we cannot afford to continually lag behind the
need for developing our transportation infrastructure. We must
have more than a national plan. It has to be a continental plan.
It has to recognize that the movement of goods and people is
north-south as much as it is east-west. We need a continental
plan to move goods and people.
What is equally important is that this strategy and the
financial commitment to this strategy have to be long term. We
have to think long term. We have to look at not only what the
growth is today and was yesterday but at what the potential
growth will be. It should come as no surprise to those watching
the growing trade with the United States that there is an equal
growing need to create an infrastructure which can handle that.
Canada cannot afford to renege on this responsibility because the
gridlock in our transportation system today will only get much
worse in the future.
If the federal government will not take the leadership role and
will not facilitate the development of a strategic continental
transportation system, Canada can look forward to chaos. That
will affect our economic well-being. The transportation system
is important to economic growth in Canada, which supports health
care, the education system, social services and all other things
that Canadian feel are important to them.
They depend on the economic well-being of our country and the
economic well-being of the our country depends on a good
transportation system so that we can move goods and people. Trade
agreements will not work if goods cannot be transported markets.
I say to the government of the day that it is time to prepare
Canada's transportation system for the 21st century.
Mr. Jim Karygiannis (Scarborough—Agincourt, Lib.): Mr.
Speaker, I listened very carefully to my colleague across the
way. Indeed some of the points she raised have great merit.
Canada needs to move forward to the 21st century. We have
highways that are in desperate need of repair. I travel the 401
on the way to Windsor. I saw the site where the accident
occurred last summer. Construction has been done there and I
hope it continues all the way to Toronto.
Could the hon. member enlighten me on how the funding of this
infrastructure will be found? Would her party support a Liberal
agenda for infrastructure money in the next fiscal year as we did
in 1993-94? Would the hon. member be supportive of such an
initiative in order for infrastructure money to put into highways
and special tasks that could help the national transportation
scheme?
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Ms. Val Meredith: Mr. Speaker, I would respond to that by
saying that the policy of the official opposition is that there
be dedicated funds for highways, for transportation, and that
those funds would come from fuel taxes. The moneys collected
from fuel taxes would go into a dedicated fund for highway
infrastructure improvements.
We were very concerned about what would be in the budget for
infrastructure programs. The great concern that I have as a
member of the opposition is in the setting of priorities. I
would suggest there is not a Canadian out there who does not see
the fixing of highways as a safety issue. They are afraid for
their well-being when they travel our highways because of the
poor condition they are in. Canadians would put a priority on
that rather than bocce courts, curling arenas and all of these
other things that infrastucture money was used for.
In this year's budget there was only $150 million identified for
highways. Yes, there was other infrastructure money, but there
was only $150 million set aside for highways. I do not find that
to be a good priority. I would suggest that other Canadians
would agree with me that the priorities of the government are not
well placed.
[Translation]
Mr. René Canuel (Matapédia—Matane, BQ): Mr. Speaker, I have one
simple question to ask my colleague.
There are small airports—small because of the distances planes
have to travel—that have been handed over to the municipalities,
among them the airport at Matane. Today, even if the mayor is
full of good will, he cannot afford to have the repairs needed
done at this airport.
The government is always telling us, basically, that the
municipalities have to look after these airports if they agreed
to take them over. A city does not necessarily have the funds
to look after an airport.
Should the federal government not make a special effort for the
airports which formerly belonged to it and which have now been
handed over to the municipalities and, even if they have
accepted them, should it not still contribute to their
maintenance?
[English]
Ms. Val Meredith: Mr. Speaker, the hon. member is quite
right, there are all kinds of issues, such as small regional
airports, remote airports, roads. The MacKenzie highway was
promised by the government in 1972 under the Right Hon. Prime
Minister Trudeau, but the government never followed through. We
still do not have that highway. People in those communities are
still looking for some way to get out of that remote northern
area, other than by ice road in the wintertime.
That is why I think it is extremely important for the government
to develop a transportation strategy which would take into
consideration all modes of transportation. The government should
sit down with all shareholders to come up with a plan that will
work.
How will we make sure that the small airports have the
facilities they need? How will we make sure that the communities
are able to support them? How will we make sure that
municipalities and provinces take on their responsibilities as
well as the federal government? It can only be done by planning
and by addressing all of the issues together. We must understand
how they interrelate and how they work together to create a
transportation system that will be very competitive for Canada in
the 21st century.
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BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE
Mr. Derek Lee (Parliamentary Secretary to Leader of the
Government in the House of Commons, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, there
have been consultations among the leaders of all the parties in
the House, and I believe you would find consent for the adoption
of the following motion in relation to the extension of the
sitting this evening. I move:
That, notwithstanding any standing order, the House shall not
adjourn at 6.30 p.m. today, but, at 5.15 p.m., debate on the
supply motion by the member for South Surrey—White Rock—Langley
shall be interrupted and all questions necessary for the disposal
of supplementary estimates and of interim supply and the bills
based thereon shall be put forthwith and successively without
debate or amendment and, immediately all business relating to
supplementary estimates and interim supply is disposed of, if it
is later than 11.59 p.m. on March 22, 2000, the House shall
adjourn or, if it is not yet 11.59 p.m. on March 22, 2000, the
House shall take up the Private Members' Business scheduled for
today, and, immediately thereafter, the debate interrupted at
5.15 p.m. shall be resumed, provided that, during the resumed
debate, no quorum calls, dilatory motions or requests for
unanimous consent shall be received by the Chair, and provided
that no later than three hours after the said debate is resumed
or at 11.59 p.m. on March 22, 2000, whichever is earlier, the
House shall adjourn.
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The Deputy Speaker: Does the Parliamentary Secretary to
the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons have the
unanimous consent of the House to propose the motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Deputy Speaker: The House has heard the terms of the
motion. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
(Motion agreed to)
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SUPPLY
ALLOTTED DAY—TRANSPORTATION
The House resumed consideration of the motion.
Mr. Deepak Obhrai (Calgary East, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, it
is a pleasure for me to rise today to speak to a very important
subject which my colleague introduced, dealing with a seamless,
integrated transportation system.
Our country is the second largest in the world. A huge country
like ours with a small population requires a transportation
system that will bring remote communities, small communities and
larger centres together.
Forty per cent of our GDP is comprised of exports. We have a
huge export market. Therefore our prosperity relies on an
excellent transportation system.
Over the years we have had a very good transportation system,
but due to the lack of funding and the lack of vision by the
government we have seen cuts rapidly developing in our
transportation system. With our growing exports and the NAFTA,
the need for a faster, reliable transportation system has become
very apparent.
I know that in a city such as Calgary the transportation system
cannot match the growth that has taken place. There is a crying
need for money to be put into the transportation system.
If we look back at the history of Canada, we see that Canada was
opened up by the railways. We had a premier transportation
system which ran from one end of Canada to the other. Railways
played a critical role in bringing Canada together.
The airline industry also played a critical role. Our remote
communities in the north were serviced by bush pilots and smaller
planes, out of which grew a very viable airline industry. We all
remember PWA, Wardair and other airlines which played a vital
role in bringing Canada together.
When I say bringing this country together, we must remember that
to the south of us is located the largest economy in the world.
It is important for Canada to have a transportation system that
runs from the east to the west. It is vital to holding the
country together and to bringing unity as well.
No one can deny the importance of a seamless, good
transportation system. I am speaking of the railways, the
airline industry and the shipping industry.
All of these have played a major role in Canadian history.
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We reached a juncture last year when our airline industry faced
a major crisis. One can lay the blame on a lack of vision of the
companies involved and the government, as the government tried to
control and regulate the industry. Those were the days of
regulation. We all remember that Air Canada was a government
monopoly and the restrictions which the government placed on Air
Canada in its attempts to control the airline industry.
There is still some fallout today if we consider the restrictive
ownership of Air Canada. On the other hand, Canadian Airlines
was left to the market forces.
As we all know, this culminated in the major air wars that took
place last year. The air wars may have taken place in the
boardroom, but Canadians became apprehensive because they had
come to rely on air transportation as one of the most significant
ways of travelling our country. Canadians became apprehensive of
what was happening.
There was a serious threat to the competitive environment in the
industry and a serious threat of one dominant carrier having a
dominant market in the country.
We all know that Air Canada grew from the government, became
privatized and had quite a massive infusion of government funds
which allowed it to have a better advantage than airlines in the
private sector. Nevertheless, Air Canada's past has not been
very favourable among its competitors. It has been accused of
pirating practices, of trying to run Canadian Airlines out of
business and of trying to muscle its way to becoming a dominant
force in Canadian air space.
This has caused concern for many who come from western Canada.
Now that Air Canada has taken over Canadian Airlines, the
apprehension still exists. We have not seen a plan. We do not
know what is Air Canada's vision. Air Canada just walked in,
probably smiled and said it had taken over Canadian Airlines. If
we ask air travelling consumers, they are already feeling the
effects of the merger and the loss of competition. They can
already feel it when rescheduling and trying to make
accommodations. It is having an impact on western Canada, and
that is a cause of concern.
As far as I am concerned, Air Canada has not bothered to ask the
travellers what they want. Its officials just went into the
boardroom, looked at the bottom line and tried to create a merger
within the airlines to remove the overcapacity which we all know
existed. It should not have existed in the first place. The
situation is creating tension and apprehension.
If this is the way it is going to go, we will have a serious
problem. Canadians will demand more competition. We know the
government has given Air Canada a two year period in which to
integrate and address the needs of Canadians.
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The fact remains that there will not be competition. Without
competition the Canadian travelling public is going to pay a
heavy price. We can already see that. Thousands of consumers
have spent millions of dollars on air miles and already that is
under a cloud of doubt. Air Canada talks about negotiating this.
We hope that Air Canada will not take advantage of this monopoly
situation and use that against the Canadian travelling public.
It knows it has a monopoly and it knows that people have no other
choice but to use its services. I hope it does not do that. I
hope it will be a better corporate citizen and address the needs
of Canadians and look at other issues which come with
competition.
I stated what I felt about the state of the Canadian airline
industry. In the transportation committee the Reform Party
proposed solutions in its minority report. I hope the government
will look at them and seriously look at the issue of the monopoly
situation in our skies today.
Mr. Stan Dromisky (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of
Transport, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, it is very interesting
listening to the opposition's arguments regarding the
transportation system.
I would like to go with the the member's comments pertaining to
the air transportation system. The hon. member is aware of the
fact that we have an agreement which Air Canada management has
committed itself to, regarding pricing, competition, employment
and services to communities which had services at the time of the
signing of the agreement. He has made some very misleading
statements pertaining to the kind of service Air Canada is
providing at the present time.
I think the member is referring to maintaining the service at
the same level as it was when Canadian and Air Canada were going
down the well toward bankruptcy together. Now that adjustments
are being made with Air Canada's scheduling and so forth in order
to pick itself out of that hole, can the member tell me and the
House what plans he has?
The competition is there. He is from western Canada. WestJet
and others are emerging on the scene. It takes time. It cannot
happen overnight. It will not happen in one week. There are
negotiations, investigations and exploratory measures by
different organizations and companies going on right now in order
to introduce competition in various segments of the aviation
industry in this country.
Mr. Deepak Obhrai: Mr. Speaker, after listening to the
hon. member's comments, my apprehension keeps increasing. His
government's lack of vision while it has been in power and the
question he asked me is what Canadians are afraid of. It is the
lack of competition. The government has had two years. It knew
this situation was arising. The government sat and did nothing.
Even now it talks about the committees listening to these things
but we do not see much coming from them.
Yes, the government gave Air Canada two years. We are saying to
Air Canada right now that there is apprehension out there and
that apprehension should be addressed. That applies to the
government too.
[Translation]
Mr. Gérard Asselin (Charlevoix, BQ): Mr. Speaker, I listened
carefully to the speech of the Reform Party member and I have a
question for him.
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I would like to know what he thinks of the cost-effectiveness of
air carriers, whether it is Air Canada or Canadian. I have no
doubt that air carriers are making money between Quebec City and
Montreal, because the flights are full and reservations are
required. The same goes for the Montreal-Toronto and
Montreal-Vancouver flights. There is no problem there, there is
free competition and people must make reservations at least a
few days in advance.
The problem is in the regions.
My question to the Reform Party member is this: If a regional
airport is not making money, if an air carrier keeps
accumulating deficits in providing service between a region and
a major centre, would the member and the Reform Party close the
airport in that region?
I would like the hon. member to confirm to me that, regardless
of how remote or sparsely populated the region is, it is the
federal government's responsibility to keep these airports open
and to maintain air transportation in these regions. This is my
own point of view, but I believe the Reform Party's view is that
if it is not profitable, then it should be closed. I would like
the hon. member to confirm this to me.
[English]
Mr. Deepak Obhrai: Mr. Speaker, our country is vast and
has remote areas and many of these areas are accessible by
airlines. At the end of the day, when we look at the whole
issue, if there is no demand in many of those airports, the
airports are underutilized. If there is nobody to use those
airports, keeping them open does not become a feasible
proposition.
Airports are part of the infrastructure and if one airline does
not use them, others will. It all comes down to the fact that
the airlines have been granted two years to provide these new
services in order to create a network and methods for the
efficient use of aircraft or the use of smaller aircraft so that
the cost factor can be taken into account. There is no point in
using big aircraft when there are no passengers. Smaller aircraft
can be used. A fleet change can take place. These are the issues
which need to be addressed.
Mr. Stan Dromisky (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of
Transport, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I would like to inform the
House that I will share my block of time with the Minister of
National Revenue.
I am pleased to have the opportunity to address the opposition's
motion that the government provide necessary leadership to
develop a safe, seamless, integrated transportation system and
that it do so by working in conjunction with other levels of
government and the private sector to plan, implement and fund
such a system.
I will demonstrate that the government is already addressing
this motion. I will use its leadership in promoting sustainable
transportation as an example.
Sustainable transportation goes above and beyond the motion put
forth by the opposition party. Sustainable transportation is all
about providing Canadians from coast to coast with access to
transportation which is not just safe, seamless and integrated
but also is efficient and environmentally responsible.
As we all know, a strong transportation sector is the backbone
of a competitive economy. However by its nature, transportation
does have an impact on the environment. We see its effects every
day from air and noise pollution to greenhouse gas emissions and
the use of land and other natural resources. For example, the
transportation sector is responsible for approximately 40% to 50%
of some of Canada's emissions of smog-forming pollutants. It is
also the single largest source of our greenhouse gas emissions.
Achieving sustainable transportation is a long term goal. There
are no magic solutions. That is because transportation is vital
to our economy. It supports Canada's trade and tourism and
underpins our competitiveness as a nation. Transportation will
always play an important role in bringing Canadians together and
in uniting this great country.
Yet as transportation grows, we cannot ignore issues of
congestion, air quality and climate change if we are to continue
to improve the quality of life for all Canadians.
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Making our transportation system more sustainable is not the
sole responsibility of the federal government. It is a
responsibility shared among all levels of government and all
segments of our society. The federal government's approach is to
tackle sustainable transportation head on but in partnership with
those who can offer solutions and with those who will be most
affected.
A good example of this approach is illustrated by the leadership
provided by this government in tackling the challenge of climate
change. Transportation is the single largest source of Canada's
greenhouse gas emissions accounting for 25% of the total and it
is growing quickly. If we continue on our present path,
emissions will be 32% above 1990 levels by 2010 and 50% higher by
2020. I should point out that we are not alone in this. Climate
change is a key issue facing transportation in all developed
countries of the world.
What is causing this growth? A large part is due to road
vehicles which account for 70% of all transportation emissions.
This also means that the actions of individual Canadians, and
that includes all of us in this House who drive, can make a
difference.
Despite continued improvements in technology which reduce
emissions and make vehicles more efficient, the numbers of cars
and trucks on the road and the distances we drive are growing
rapidly. In the freight sector shipments by air and truck are
expected to double in the next 20 years while freight shipped by
more efficient means such as rail and marine will likely grow
very slowly.
The issues and solutions are complex. In freight, shippers must
balance costs, time and service needs which vary depending on the
product and the distance involved. For consumers, how we choose
to travel depends on factors such as time, accessibility, cost,
convenience and personal preference. Thus moving to a more
integrated and efficient transportation system, one that
maintains public safety and mobility and supports our growing
economy but is also polluting, requires both leadership and
partnership, the kind of leadership the government has shown.
In 1998 the Minister of Transport along with his provincial and
territorial colleagues created the transportation climate change
table to identify and evaluate options to reduce greenhouse gas
emissions from transportation. The table comprised 25 diverse
stakeholders including: local, provincial and federal
governments; domestic and foreign vehicle manufacturers;
petroleum and alternative fuel producers; carriers, including
truckers, railways, airlines and shipping; environmentalists; and
consumers. This very diverse group of interests came together
because they recognized they have a real role to play in finding
practical solutions.
This unique initiative provided a comprehensive and holistic
look at our transportation system. Few countries in the world
have undertaken such an exercise involving such a diverse range
of interests. This group of stakeholders recently produced its
final report which identified over 100 possible options to
improve transportation. From their work it is clear that there
is no single solution.
Canada's urban centres are important as they account for over
half of our transportation emissions and face some of the
greatest congestion pressures. The table studied over 30
different strategies to improve the efficiency of the urban
transportation system.
A key strategy in many cities involves expanding the role of
public transit. Improving transit infrastructure and services and
expanding facilities to link transit and other options such as
cars, rail and air are important.
Strategies need to be co-ordinated across municipalities in a
region and integrated with land use plans at the local level. A
leading example of this approach is the greater Vancouver
regional district which co-ordinates transportation planning and
services across a number of municipalities. The new liveable
region strategic plan integrates land use and transportation
planning over the next 20 years. The province is providing a
portion of the taxes from fuel sales in the city to fund
transportation improvements. This is one example of the kinds of
action taking place in urban centres across Canada.
The table considered options to reduce greenhouse gas emissions
in the movement of goods. New technologies and operating
practices offer potential.
For example, new trucking technologies using satellites,
electronic speed monitors and advanced tires along with better
driver training can reduce fuel use by 15% to 20%, cutting costs
and pollution.
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The table explored opportunities for improving the seamlessness
of the movement of goods throughout the system. For example, the
railways and trucking industry are now moving from being
competitors to being partners in providing shippers with better
choices. Both Canadian Pacific's Iron Highway and Canadian
National's Roadrailer are integrating truck and rail, offering
lower costs and less pollution.
Canada is leading in the development of many new technologies to
reduce emissions from road vehicles. New fuels such as natural
gas, ethanol from grain, wood biomass and eventually fuel cells,
in which Canada is a world leader, hold great promise. New
vehicle designs using lightweight materials will improve vehicle
efficiency. The challenge will be to encourage consumers to
purchase these new technologies as they become available over the
next 10 years.
Because the North American automotive market is so highly
integrated we will need to work with vehicle manufacturers, fuel
providers and the United States to harmonize our standards. For
example, the table studied a target of a 25% improvement in fuel
economy by 2010 from new cars and light trucks harmonized with
the United States.
This is just a snapshot of some of the options examined. More
work is needed and the table's work is being reviewed by federal
and provincial governments as part of the process launched by
first ministers to develop a national climate change strategy.
In conclusion, the federal government has been acting on the
opposition party's motion. We have been busy giving Canadians
strong leadership and finding practical solutions to make our
transportation system better. In the recent budget the
government announced up to $2.6 billion for a new infrastructure
program in partnership with the provinces and municipalities.
Improvements to the national highway system and green
infrastructure projects such as urban transit are potential areas
for investment.
In addition, the budget announced over $500 million to invest in
climate change solutions such as the development of new
technologies. Canadian technology such as our past support for
Canadian successes like the Ballard fuel cell and Iogen's new
ethanol process will play a key role in helping not just Canada
but all countries to achieve more sustainable transportation.
All countries of the world are grappling with these important
but complex issues, but the government is determined to provide
leadership and to work with the provinces, local governments,
industry and all Canadians to find common solutions.
Ms. Val Meredith (South Surrey—White Rock—Langley,
Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I listened with interest to the comments
of the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Transport. I
must admit I am a bit confused as to the concern of the
government that transportation is strictly an environmental
issue.
I suggest to the government representative that transportation
is much more than worrying about the environment. That is a
component. That is a concern, but there is much more to an
integrated, seamless transportation system than how it affects
the environment. How much of the $2.6 billion over four years
will be going for highway infrastructure?
Mr. Stan Dromisky: Mr. Speaker, in my speech I used one
component of the entire holistic transportation system to give
the House an example of what we are doing as a government. We
are working feverishly with a great number of partners in this
country as well as in other countries on many areas to improve
our system for this century. However I cannot take the time in 10
minutes to explain every one of them.
We were talking about $2.6 billion. The hon. member must
realize that we are talking about partners. When it comes to
infrastructure programs we are hoping that the provincial
government and the municipalities involved will help to make the
decision, but in many cases it will really be the municipality
that will make the decision.
We are hoping that the provincial government will also play a
major role.
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Three partners will be involved. Who knows? Maybe in some
areas the private sector might even become involved and there
will be four partners working on improving our present system.
Basically this is how I hope most of the money will be utilized.
Mr. Peter Mancini (Sydney—Victoria, NDP): Mr. Speaker,
I listened with interest to the government member. There are two
points to this question coming from Atlantic Canada.
In the 1980s and early 1990s the Conservative government
withdrew and cut passenger rail service in many important centres
in the Atlantic region, notably Saint John, New Brunswick, and
the rail line from my own community of Sydney to Halifax. The
prime minister of the day challenged us to show that they were
profit making and indeed they were. They were cut anyway.
Today there are many seniors who live in my community who have
to make the route from Sydney to Halifax for medical treatment.
They are afraid to drive on the twinned highways. They are
afraid of the big trucks on these roads, which leaves them with
one option, a monopolistic bus route.
My question is twofold. First, in the $2.6 billion is there a
plan to return passenger rail service to these communities?
Transport 2000 has recognized the importance of that. Petitions
have been filed on behalf of those communities recognizing its
importance.
Second, the current private rail system which exists to ship
goods from Sydney to Halifax is in real danger now that the
federal government has decided to close down the coal mines in
Cape Breton. There is essentially very little product now since
coal is not there to be transported. Yet we recognize the
importance of that infrastructure if we are to build a new
economy. It may require some government subsidization until the
new economy is built. Will the government commit to that?
Mr. Stan Dromisky: Mr. Speaker, the hon. member from the
east coast of Canada has introduced a concern of mine. I come
from Thunder Bay. My riding is Thunder Bay—Atikokan. Many of
the highways in our part of the country are in deplorable
condition and not very safe. Many people from the city of
Thunder Bay drive an extra 200 miles and cut across the United
States in order to come to eastern Canada because of the
condition of the highways. We in the government are concerned
about this.
An hon. member: What about the Trans-Canada Highway?
Mr. Stan Dromisky: The Trans-Canada Highway is involved.
The member talked about railways. He will hear very shortly a
presentation being made by the Minister of Transport regarding a
plan offered by the Government of Canada concerning the
revitalization our rail passenger service.
Hon. Martin Cauchon (Minister of National Revenue and
Secretary of State (Economic Development Agency of Canada for the
Regions of Quebec), Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to
speak today to the motion put forward by the official opposition,
the Reform Party, on the question of road infrastructure in
Canada.
We all remember that back in 1993 we were involved in an
electoral campaign. As a party we spoke at that time about the
question of a global economy. We also spoke about the question
of knowledge based industry and the transition Canada was going
through to set the foundation for a brand new economy and to make
sure that as a society we would be able to compete in the global
marketplace.
As early as 1993 our party talked about the reasons why it was
important for an industrialized country such as Canada to have a
very good infrastructure. We spoke about an infrastructure
program and the importance of such a move bearing in mind and
knowing that when we talked about infrastructure we talked first
and foremost about quality of life. We also talked about the
competition faced by our industry in the national marketplace and
in the international marketplace.
We talked as well about economic development.
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We all remember that back in 1993 the Liberal Party was talking
about such a reality. Even though we spoke about a global
economy and a brand new economy, we recognized at that time that
the question of a good Canadian transportation system was not
only key but a cornerstone to good economic growth.
Shortly after we formed the government we went ahead with the
Canadian infrastructure program. I know a lot was done for roads
at that time but we also did a lot for the infrastructure of the
country as a whole. Then came a program review which was led by
one of my colleagues at the transport department. Following that
we came out with a brand new Canadian policy of which we are very
proud to position the Canadian transportation system for the new
era and to ensure that it would help our corporations to compete
better in the international marketplace.
Following the program review we came forward with a policy
called the national transportation policy which enabled the
grassroots people in all communities across Canada to be
responsible for the infrastructures in their communities. They
are well positioned to know their needs and what exactly to do to
have efficient infrastructures that work in favour of the
corporations and enterprises in their local communities.
[Translation]
The issue raised by the official opposition party is a
fundamental one. It is directly related to economic growth as
well as tourism.
It is fundamental because of the size of Canada's public road
system, which takes in 900,000 kilometres. The national system
alone accounts for 25,000 kilometres.
These 25,000 kilometres—the national highway system—represent 3%
of all Canada's roads and carry 30% of all traffic in the
country.
As members know, maintenance of the highway system is primarily
the responsibility of the provinces and territories. Of the
national highway system, 1,137 kilometres are the exclusive
responsibility of the Government of Canada.
In recent years, there has been much talk about not just what we
should do to improve the quality of roads in the system but also
how to make the system more competitive. The Standing Committee
on Transport was given a mandate in this regard in June of 1997.
The conclusions were fairly positive.
There was talk of renewing the highway system in order to
promote the economy and trade and, in keeping with our
philosophy, tourism.
The committee's final report in February 1998 recommended that
the Canadian government provide special funding for this
purpose.
It will also be remembered that, in addition to all these
activities, which showed very definite leadership on the part of
the Canadian government, all provincial and territorial premiers
called on the Canadian government to become involved in the
national highway system.
All this was followed by the October 1999 throne speech, which
said, and I quote:
The Government will work with other levels of government and the
private sector to reach—by the end of the year 2000—agreement on a
five-year plan for improving physical infrastructure in urban and
rural regions across the country.
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Already, in the throne speech, which is really the government's
program and vision for the years to come, there was a
willingness to move forward in ensuring that the competitiveness
of what happens to be a crucial element of any self-respecting
country, particularly an industrialized country that belongs to
the G-7 and G-8, is restored and maintained.
We know what happened. Members opposite talk about leadership,
and I think we have definitely show leadership, we have taken
concrete measures. First with the 1993 infrastructure works
program and the various consultations that took place, with the
throne speech and, finally, with the 2000 budget presented by my
colleague, the Minister of Finance.
In budget 2000, we announced that we were going ahead with an
infrastructure program, a new one of course. The details of this
program have yet to be negotiated and discussed with the
provinces by my colleague, the President of the Treasury Board,
who, as members know, is responsible for that program.
We already know that an interesting and important part of the
program will deal with physical infrastructures, including road
and municipal infrastructures.
Another important element when talking about developing, fixing
and upgrading these infrastructures—I stressed how important this
was for trade and tourism—is to target certain corridors. We know
there are specific trade and transportation corridors.
I am proud to announce today that the Canadian government has
again played a leadership role. As we know, it has established
an interdepartmental working group to ensure that these various
corridors could be specifically analyzed and that, together with
our various partners and not all by ourselves, we can develop a
strategic framework promoting a better relationship with our
main partner, the United States. In this respect, the Canadian
government has once again demonstrated vision.
[English]
Shortly before Christmas I had the opportunity to replace my
colleague in transport at a worldwide congress that took place in
Kuala Lumpur. The people there were discussing the future and
the financing of roads because we are all facing exactly the same
situation. We want to make sure we have a good infrastructure in
order to better compete in the global marketplace. From what I
saw there, Canada is one of the leaders in the world.
Ms. Val Meredith (South Surrey—White Rock—Langley,
Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I will follow up on the Minister of
National Revenue's comments about trade corridors, which happens
to be a pet project of mine.
Canada has accommodated preclearance to ease the traffic flow of
people to the United States and through Canada to the United
States. What commitment is his department prepared to make to
ensure that there is the ease of flow of people who come to
Canada through preclearance in the United States, not only by air
but by rail and road as well?
Hon. Martin Cauchon: Mr. Speaker, the question is so
interesting I am tempted to ask you how many hours I have to
answer.
When we talk about customs, which is what my colleague is
referring to, we are talking about risk management. When we
refer to the shared border with the United States, it is the
longest shared border of any two countries in the world. We need
a very good risk management but, at the same time, as the member
pointed out, we need to make sure that corporations will be able
to do business as easily as possible in each country.
However, at the same time Canada customs needs to ensure that it
applies the customs legislation.
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I am proud to say that not too long ago we went ahead with some
pilot projects in that field. I refer members to the CANPASS
program, which they probably know about. The CANPASS in Windsor,
Ontario is a pilot project and works very well.
I am pleased to report that we are working on a joint CANPASS
with the United States at Sarnia, Ontario. The philosophy that
we are proceeding with is good management with the experience of
human resources in customs who, by the way, are doing marvellous
work for Canadian society. We are using the human resources of
the department and we are also using technology. CANPASS is a
soft technology, as we say, so we want to make sure in the near
future to proceed with such a philosophy.
I am pleased to report to the House we will soon be moving ahead
with the blueprint initiative, the plan to modernize Canadian
customs.
[Translation]
Mr. René Canuel (Matapédia—Matane, BQ): Mr. Speaker, I have two
short questions for the minister.
No matter how much money we pour into roads, because of our
weather and all kinds of other things, they constantly have to
be fixed; also truck traffic is so heavy, it ruins the roads.
Why not focus more on rail transportation and shipping?
In Quebec, we have the St. Lawrence River, which is hardly used.
We have train going by all the time, but hardly used. It is fine
to invest in roads, but why not consider a different approach to
transportation, one that would be a lot less expensive and much
more adequate?
I have one more question.
The minister is familiar with the riding of Matapédia—Matane. He
knows that the Matane airport was turned over to the
municipality. Business people say about the airport “It does not
make sense. It is closed. It is hopeless”.
Since the municipality cannot bear all the airport maintenance
and repair costs on its own, could the government provide some
assistance to regional airports?
Hon. Martin Cauchon: Mr. Speaker, with regard to the use of the
Seaway, in fact the St. Lawrence River, as well as the railway
system, I think the member is essentially referring to
intermodal transport.
I believe that, across Canada, intermodal transport is well
established. I am proud to say that several years ago, Economic
Development Canada, of which I am responsible for the regions of
Quebec, took part in an intermodal transport pilot project using
both the railway system and trailer trucks on the roads. The
results were quite positive.
I would like to stress that the railway system and the waterways
are used a lot for commercial traffic.
The folks in the Port of Montreal would not be very happy to
hear what the hon. member is saying because right now it is one
of the largest container traffic centres in eastern Canada, and
perhaps the whole of the country. It is extremely competitive.
Naturally, it is very strategically located. It handles an
enormous volume.
As for the question about airports, because of my role in
regional development, I was involved in implementing the
national airport policy.
As I mentioned in my speech earlier, the objective of the
policy—an objective which was commendable and supported by the
public—was to ensure that communities could take back control and
ownership of their own infrastructures, because they are better
placed than governments to manage them and develop them with an
eye to real needs.
I am happy to report today that the national airport policy was
well implemented. The transfer went smoothly and I think that
today the regions are proud to be able to work in partnership
with the Canadian government.
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Mr. Gérard Asselin (Charlevoix, BQ): Mr. Speaker, if I may, I
would like to say that, even if today is an opposition day for
the Reform Party, the Bloc Quebecois is against this motion.
Essentially, the motion states that, in the opinion of the
House, the government should provide the necessary leadership to
develop a safe, seamless, integrated transportation system, by
working in conjunction with the other levels of government and
the private sector, to plan, implement and fund such a system.
This motion is not votable. If it were, we would vote against
it.
The federal government does not have jurisdiction over all
transportation infrastructures; it has jurisdiction solely over
the interprovincial system. The federal government does not
have to implement such a system everywhere for everyone. It
would be far better off financing an infrastructure program to
be implemented by the provinces. I shall have the opportunity
to come back to each of these points later in my speech.
In the area of transportation, the federal government has
totally abandoned the regions since it came into power. Urging
it to play a lead role in this area is ensuring that the regions
will be left out. That is the Bloc Quebecois position as far as
this Reform Party motion is concerned.
There are different types of transportation: land, marine and
air. When we speak of land transportation, there is the highway
system and the rail system, VIA Rail included.
When we think of the marine system, we think of Fisheries and
Oceans, the Coast Guard, the St. Lawrence River, the St.
Lawrence Seaway. When we think of air transportation, there is
the entire Canadian aviation system.
In the 20 minutes allocated to me, I am going to try to develop
each of these themes. Yes, land transportation is a federal
responsibility; it has the responsibility to be directly
involved in the maintenance of interprovincial highways.
In my riding, the riding of Charlevoix, Highway 389 links
Baie-Comeau and Labrador. It dates back to the time of the
construction of the hydroelectric facilities, Manic 2 and 3,
Outardes 3 and 4, and Manic 5. After Manic 5, this highway was
extended toward Labrador.
This means that, in the region of Fermont and Farley, a person
can come back from Labrador right to Baie-Comeau.
Labrador and Quebec's highway 138 are linked by an
interprovincial highway.
I made a number of representations as the member for Charlevoix
and the one responsible for that part of the road network. I
made representations to the Minister of Transport and to the
transport commission, with the support of the mayor of the
Manicouagan RCM and of the Baie-Comeau chamber of commerce.
The minister replied that, unfortunately, he did not have any
money left, that a financial restructuring was going on and that
the objective was to achieve a zero deficit. This is why the
SHIP program was abolished. That program had been established
under the Conservatives. Its objective was to maintain and
improve our road network, but it was eliminated by the Liberals.
I was listening to the minister.
He has done all kinds of acrobatics to extol the virtues of his
government, a government that axed all the programs. Whether it
is VIA Rail, the interprovincial road network, the maritime or
air transportation network, the results have been catastrophic
for programs in the transportation sector.
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Highway 138 is the only road linking Quebec City to the Lower
North Shore region. Highway 138 stops in Baie-Sainte-Catherine,
where it intersects with the Saguenay River, and vehicles must
board a ferry owned by the Société des traversiers du Québec.
Recently, the Quebec Minister of Transport Jacques Baril
commissioned a study, which showed that it a bridge could be
built between Baie-Sainte-Catherine and Tadoussac for the modest
sum of $370 million. I emphasize the word modest, because the
federal government spent $2 billion to build a bridge between New
Brunswick and Prince Edward Island.
It spent $2 billion on a population smaller than that of the
North Shore, with less development than the North Shore. The
North Shore has all the natural resources, both forestry and
mining resources. In short, everything comes in and out of our
area by truck.
I believe that this matter needs to be a priority for the
Government of Quebec and the Government of Canada, in Ottawa.
Every time the federal government injects one dollar—I am again
using the same example—if the federal government spent $2
billion to build the bridge between New Brunswick and PEI, 25
cents out of every dollar invested came from Quebec.
This means that $500 million of Quebecers' taxes went into the
Prince Edward Island bridge.
Since we have continued to pay our taxes to Ottawa, and will do
so as long as we are not a sovereign country, it would therefore
be a good thing if the federal government were to help the
Province of Quebec with the project to build the bridge between
Baie-Sainte-Catherine and Tadoussac. There is unanimity on this
project in the Charlevoix region.
The minister of revenue spoke of the road infrastructure
program. This is a desired program, of course, and one that
should continue to exist. Unfortunately, what the minister has
neglected to mention—and we know there are always two sides to a
coin—is that he has put $2.5 billion into this budget over 6
years, which is $100 million for the year 2000. Yet, for three
three or four years running they have been announcing that there
would be an infrastructure program for this year, and this
created expectations among the provincial premiers.
The premiers met in Quebec City to tell the federal government
that it should put money into the highway infrastructure
program. The government provides the funding for highway
infrastructure and the premier of each province is responsible
for administration of the program. The provinces should be
running this program. Here too, we can imagnie what the
expectations of municipalities were.
There are 52 municipalities and two Indian reserves between
Petite-Rivière-Saint-François and Baie-Comeau in the riding of
Charlevoix. If I take all the expectations and requests of the
municipalities and RCMs from Petite-Rivière-Saint-François to
Baie-Comeau, it adds up to more than $100 million worth of
federal government assistance under the infrastructure program.
The $100 million approved for this year is for all of Canada.
It is a drop in the bucket. It will create expectations and
disappointment. There are mayors who have been given
responsibilities by the federal and provincial governments;
furthermore, some municipalities were asked to contribute
financially to achieving a zero deficit.
Unfortunately, it is always the individual citizen, the
individual voter and taxpayer who, year after year, watches his
tax bill grow with no corresponding increase in services. It is
the same for school boards. The provincial government cut their
allowable expenses. The provincial government had to make cuts
because Quebec had lost billions of dollars in transfer
payments.
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It wanted to transfer responsibilities to municipalities and
school boards. The school boards, whose expenses did not
qualify, were forced to levy a school tax.
I tell anyone who earns $65,000 a year and claims to net only
$30,000 that he or she is mistaken. To determine what my net
income is, when I do my income tax, I look at how much I earned,
then I take my bank book and check how much I have left, because
I pay not only income tax, but also federal, provincial,
municipal and school taxes, not to mention the GST and the TVQ.
Over 60% of my salary is gone in taxes.
I have a right to expect the federal government to give me
something in return.
Why does Quebec want to separate? Why does Quebec want to
achieve independence? Because it wants to control its own
destiny, manage its own money and look after its own services.
Let us talk about VIA Rail. The Bloc Quebecois has a position
regarding VIA Rail. The Bloc Quebecois is demanding that the
report of the Standing Committee on Transport be complied with.
The government must not act precipitously. It must start with a
franchising pilot project.
Once that has been done, the Bloc Quebecois demands that the
Montreal-Jonquière, Montreal-Senneterre and Montreal-Gaspé lines be
fully maintained and that their maintenance be guaranteed for
the future. To that end, the Bloc Quebecois demands that
$170 million in government subsidies be allocated as a priority
to the franchisees who make a commitment to operate the lines
that are not very profitable.
The Bloc Quebecois demands that the allocation of lines be made
in a balanced fashion, so that lines with a high potential for
profits are not the only ones allocated, since it would leave
those lines that are unappealing. The Bloc Quebecois will make
sure that this government does not download its responsibilities
onto the municipalities by overlapping on the basis of a
partnership. It ought not, for instance, trying to hand railway
stations over to municipalities against their wishes.
The Bloc Quebecois is very concerned about the fate of these 120
VIA Rail employees from Quebec and, considering their expertise,
demands that they be hired on a priority basis by the new
franchisees.
The Bloc Quebecois demands that the head office of a new VIA
Rail remain in Montreal and that the Montreal maintenance centre
remain opened and keep its staff. That is the position of the
Bloc Quebecois with regard to VIA Rail.
I would also like to talk about the marine transportation
system. Some mentioned the fact that we have such a system. The
projects of the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, who is
responsible for the coast guard, fell through for the most part.
I am referring to the Minister of Transport's policy regarding
the privatization of ports. I am also referring to the
privatization of the ports of Baie-Comeau, Matane, Rimouski and
Rivière-du-Loup.
These ports are not profitable for the federal government and it
wants to transfer these infrastructures to municipalities and
RCMs. Municipal or regional taxes are not supposed to be used to
maintain an airport or a port. The federal government brought
these infrastructures into this world and maintaining them should
be its responsibility. Now it wants to hand them over to
municipalities. This makes absolutely no sense.
I think the federal government should retain ownership of these
infrastructures, that is airports and ports, and ask local
authorities to manage them.
When we say that the federal government's plans with regard to
marine transportation fell through, let us not forget the
infamous icebreaking project where the federal government tried
to charge $68,400 in fees to ferry operators, shipowners,
industries and the Société des traversiers du Québec.
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In this case, we are inclined to think the minister was floating
a trial balloon. Faced with opposition from the Bloc Quebecois,
the shipowners and the industry, the minister caved in.
In a riding like mine, there are six ferries: the
Île-aux-Coudres-to-Saint-Joseph-de-la-Rive ferry, the
Rivière-du-Loup-to-Saint-Siméon ferry, the
Tadoussac-to-Baie-Sainte-Catherine ferry, the
Escoumins-to-Trois-Pistoles ferry, the Forestville-to-Rimouski ferry,
and the Baie-Comeau-to-Matane-and-Godbout ferry. Everything is
dependent on these ferries and tourism development.
Now moving to the air transport structure, I could spend several
hours on this topic.
Air service in Canada is in a shambles. When the minister
decided, last summer, to strike a deal with Gérald Schwartz, the
president of Onex—who is a well known contributor to the Liberal
Party—people in Quebec and Canada got worried. The minister said
the goal was to reorganize the air industry. The deal with Onex
smacked of influence peddling.
We went through a period of turbulence. The minister jumped
without a parachute. How he was going to land was everybody's
guess. This whole matter caused a lot of uncertainty and fear in
the personnel at both Air Canada and Canadian. Inter-Canadian
went bankrupt; it is no longer in operation. Faced with the
uncertainty created among regional carriers, Inter-Canadian was
grounded by a lack of passengers.
Airport privatization is a kind of Trojan horse, or a white
elephant. It is not the regional administration's job to
administer such an infrastructure. I have nothing against the
management itself, but it ought not to own it. This is the case
for the airports of Baie-Comeau, Forestville and Saint-Irénée.
Let the responsibility be given to a local company, the
municipalities or the RCMs, but it is the federal government that
is responsible for these infrastructures and for transportation
safety.
Hon. members will also recall that the federal government has
given Nav Canada the responsibility to administer the airports
and deal with their deficits. The Baie-Comeau airport had an
annual deficit of $1.2 million. According to Nav Canada, it was
going to deal with this, that it was a deficit problem. It
closed down the control tower, and did away with air controller
positions, as well as the fire protection service. This service
was handed over to the Pointe-Lebel municipality's volunteer
firefighters.
Today we can see that the Nav Canada cuts were to the detriment
of the passengers. Last year, Nav Canada had a surplus of $65
million, which was turned over to Air Canada and to Canadian, the
major carriers. Why was this extra $65 million not reinvested
into airline safety? If they do not want to reopen the
Baie-Comeau control tower and give us air controllers, let them
at least give us FIS, flight information service.
Airport safety is of great concern to us, with the Air Satellite
crash at Baie-Comeau, with Nordair at Sept-Iles, with another
crash at Gaspé. There have been three plane crashes in eastern
Quebec within eight months.
There is much I could say on this. I will perhaps have the
opportunity to get back to it for questions and answers.
In my opinion, things are always done better if we do them
ourselves. The federal government should remain the owner of the
infrastructures, that is the airports and ports. The federal
government would remain responsible for all of these buildings,
these infrastructures, and the local administration would look
after administering them.
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[English]
Mr. Stan Keyes (Hamilton West, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, I
listened very intently to the hon. member's intervention. He
spoke of a coin and said that every coin has two sides to it.
Then he went on with his remarks about that coin.
What the hon. member failed to mention is that coin belongs to
the Canadian taxpayer. That coin is held in trust by the federal
government and when we have enough coins in the pot, then and
only then has the federal government time and time again issued a
promise through subsequent budgets to the Canadian taxpayer that
50 cents of every dollar would go to social programs and that 50
cents would go to tax cuts and reducing our national debt.
First, I wonder if the hon. member would acknowledge that coin
does belong to the Canadian taxpayer and that the great province
of Quebec has the opportunity and enjoys every advantage with
every region in this country to be a part of our country and to
have all the coins necessary, equally so with every province in
the country, to the benefit of each and every one of the member's
constituents and every Quebecer.
Second, the hon. member spoke of the debacle in the airline
industry. I am certain that the hon. member understands and will
apologize. He is a member of the Standing Committee on Transport
of which I have the privilege of being the chair. He was a
member of the committee when we went through six weeks of intense
hearings to produce, if you can imagine, Mr. Speaker, a report on
the restructuring of the airline industry that was endorsed by
every party in the House. That report and study was so
successful—
Mrs. Michelle Dockrill: And the NDP?
Mr. Stan Keyes: Mr. Speaker, the member is right, the NDP
had reservations. I stand corrected. The NDP has reservations
about many things.
What is important with that study is that we came together as a
committee with all members of the House. We produced a study
that was praised for recognizing the importance of protecting the
consumer, ensuring that not only were we protecting the consumer
but ensuring that regional services would be maintained, ensuring
that the customer would benefit from what we like to refer to as
competition in the airline industry, that those who work for the
airlines, the pilots and people who labour each and every day to
make sure that those airlines fly and fly safely, are protected
against any kind of monopolization of the industry.
The hon. member knows we worked very hard and we produced a good
report. It was accepted, praised and then adopted by a minister
who, to the chagrin of the hon. member opposite who knows, had
great pride in the work we did as a committee. He has produced
legislation which we hope next week we will be able to put
forward at second reading in the House and then send it back to
the committee for even further study to ensure that the airline
industry in this country is serving our country well.
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I wonder if the hon. member would stand and say that the member
for Hamilton West, the chair of the committee, is right in that
the study was important and it did produce the results that were
expected by our constituents in either one of our ridings.
[Translation]
Mr. Gérard Asselin: Mr. Speaker, first I want to congratulate
the hon. member for his question, which has two components.
Both sides talked about the two sides of a coin. I was alluding,
of course, to the Minister of National Revenue, a “little guy
from Charlevoix”, a “little guy from the Malbaie”, who gave his
version, which is a Canadian version.
It is hard to keep track of what is going on in Charlevoix. What
my constituents want to know is: what will happen to the
Pointe-au-Pic wharf, the Saint-Irénée airport, and to
Baie-Comeau? This is what they want to know. They are not
interested in long speeches on international issues, in all that
rhetoric by people who do not know what to say. They want to know
what is going on in the federal government. We pay taxes and get
nothing in return.
The unemployed pay taxes and contribute to the employment
insurance program, but they are not even covered. We pay taxes,
but what do we get in return from the federal government? This is
what people want to know. We pay taxes to the Quebec government,
but in return we have a road network, a health system, an
education system. These are concrete things.
Back home, we have only one airport and one wharf left, and now
the federal government is about to privatize them. What will the
government do with our taxes? This is the first component.
I also congratulate the hon. member because, as chair of the
Standing Committee on Transport, he does an excellent job and
listens to all political parties, including the Bloc Quebecois,
which stated its position. The hon. member for
Beauport—Montmorency—Côte-de-Beaupré—Île-d'Orléans, who is our
transport critic, did an excellent job with me in proposing
recommendations. Some of our recommendations are found in the
committee report, and the Bloc Quebecois also tabled a minority
report.
Of course, the Standing Committee on Transport is there to hear
witnesses, to improve Canada's transportation system. However,
things must not be done only behind closed doors and in
committee. The minister must now implement the report's
recommendations, so that things will work.
Mr. René Canuel (Matapédia—Matane, BQ): Mr. Speaker, first of
all, I want to congratulate my colleague from Charlevoix, who
when he spoke in defense of his voters was almost seething with
rage. I understand that.
Mr. Gérard Asselin: There was love too.
Mr. René Canuel: There was love too. People who live in isolated
areas like his and mine have the impression that the government
wants to deprive us of all means of communication.
Communications are airports and also wharves.
The question I want to ask my colleague is this: Does he have
the impression, like me, that the government does not care about
isolated areas? It takes good care of big cities like Toronto,
Calgary and, above all, Shawinigan, but it is as if it wanted to
cut people off. And the best way to do that is to cut off their
communications, closing their airports and their seaports.
Mr. Gérard Asselin: Mr. Speaker, I thank the member for
Matapédia—Matane for his question. The member for Chicoutimi
agreed with his question.
The member for Chicoutimi is not a Montrealer, he is a fellow
who knows the people in the regions well. Someone who is in
shape can bicycle from Montreal to Ottawa. In Montreal, they
have means of transportation, such as buses, trains, airplanes,
taxis and cars.
In the regions, it is ten hours by car to travel the 950
kilometres from my place to Ottawa. There is a port and airport
infrastructure in Baie-Comeau. There is an airport, which we
must keep. It is very expensive to travel from Baie-Comeau to
Montreal. Right now, we are worried about whether we will have
one regional carrier or two.
Recently, I was speaking with the representative of a regional
carrier and he told me that it was hard to make any money
because there were not enough passengers. But there are not
enough passengers because of the cost. It is the chicken and
the egg. When it is necessary to fly from Baie-Comeau to Quebec
City for professional services or health care, it costs a
fortune, but there is no alternative because it is 450
kilometres by car. There are many so-called captive passengers
who have to fly from Baie-Comeau to Quebec City, and they do not
even get same day service.
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We will never agree to the federal government closing our
airports and we demand that it provide the regions with the same
services major centres get.
[English]
Mr. John Solomon (Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, NDP): Mr.
Speaker, before I commence my remarks, I ask members for
unanimous consent to delay the bells for the vote until I finish
my 10 minute speech.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to allow
for an extension?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, I see the chair of the
Liberal transport committee has refused to allow me to present
the New Democratic Party's position on the motion. That is
unfortunate because we have always tried to co-operate with the
Liberal Party but I guess we will have an opportunity to get even
down the road.
The motion before us is very important. I understand why the
Liberals are unhappy about the motion. In my view and that of
millions of Canadians, they have been negligent in terms of a
national transportation system. They have been negligent in
everybody's books not only in highway construction, rail
transportation, air transportation and marine transportation, but
in many other areas as well. They have been negligent because
they have allowed the system to collapse. We are the only
country of the 28 countries in the OECD that does not have a
national highways program.
Before continuing, I again ask for unanimous consent to finish
my 10 minute speech before the bells ring.
The Deputy Speaker: Does the hon. member have the
unanimous consent of the House to extend the time beyond 5.15
p.m.?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
An hon. member: He was not in his seat.
The Deputy Speaker: It does not matter. I hear noes.
There is no consent.
Mr. Stan Keyes: Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.
To clarify, the hon. member does know I am sure that following
the votes, the hon. member does have the opportunity to continue
his speech.
The Deputy Speaker: I do not think it is a point of order
but rather a point of debate.
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, the transportation system
in the country has collapsed because of Liberal policies.
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order.
The member from the New Democratic Party is a very experienced
parliamentarian. Usually we have discussions among the parties.
The debate will continue after the votes. It is not a case that
the member will not have an opportunity to speak. I understand
that the debate will go on for hours after the votes.
The Deputy Speaker: I think the points have been made.
The difficulty is that the hon. member for Regina—Lumsden—Lake
Centre has only five minutes and is losing time. I do not want to
take away any more.
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, I would like to know how
much time I have left.
The Deputy Speaker: About two minutes.
Mr. John Solomon: Out of how much, Mr. Speaker?
The Deputy Speaker: Out of 20 minutes.
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, I have not had a chance to
speak.
The Deputy Speaker: The hon. member will have 15 minutes
remaining after the votes, assuming we get back to this in
accordance with the order adopted earlier this day.
Mr. John Solomon: Thank you very much for your
generosity, Mr. Speaker.
The NDP supports the motion's call for collaboration between all
levels of government and the private sector. These groups must
work together to make sure our national transportation
infrastructure serves the public interest and meets the needs of
the private sector for economic development and job creation.
The federal government must in partnership with provincial
governments invest in highways to facilitate the movement of
people and goods. If the government allows the deterioration of
our highways to continue, the human and economic costs will
continue to rise at record levels.
Energy prices have been soaring to record levels day after day.
The Liberals have refused to put together an action plan to
defend the Canadian economy from the OPEC oil cartel. I have
asked repeatedly in the House of Commons for an action plan by
the Prime Minister to deal with the issue, to defend our economy.
The American president, the president of the land of free
enterprise and capitalism, has struck a 17 point plan to defend
his country and the Liberal goons across the way have refused to
do that with respect to defending the Canadian economy.
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We are looking for a conservation plan. We are looking for a
regulation plan for energy prices. We are looking for a plan to
help truckers, small business people, and to help low income
people pay for home heating fuel.
What we have seen is a lack of action, a lack of backbone and a
lack of will because the Liberal Party is supported by the energy
companies in terms of their political contributions. What they
are doing is sucking up to the oil companies and continuing to
support their policies of gouging Canadian consumers and
businesses.
The Deputy Speaker: It being 5.15 p.m., and this being
the final supply day in the period ending March 31, 2000, it is
my duty to interrupt the proceedings and put forthwith every
question necessary to dispose of the business of supply.
* * *
SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES (B), 1999-2000
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 10B—HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 10b, in the amount of $5,165,881, under HUMAN
RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT—Human Resources Investment and
Insurance, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year
ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
The Deputy Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to
adopt the motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Deputy Speaker: All those in favour of the motion
will please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Deputy Speaker: All those opposed will please say
nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Deputy Speaker: In my opinion the yeas have it.
And more than five members having risen:
The Deputy Speaker: Call in the members.
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(The House divided on Motion No. 1, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bennett
| Bertrand
|
Bevilacqua
| Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
|
Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
|
Bulte
| Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
|
Caplan
| Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fontana
| Fry
|
Gagliano
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
| Goodale
|
Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Mitchell
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Proulx
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Sekora
| Serré
| Sgro
|
Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
|
Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
|
Valeri
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
Wilfert
| Wood – 138
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
|
Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
| Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brien
| Cadman
|
Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
| Chatters
|
Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Dockrill
| Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
|
Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
| Duncan
| Earle
|
Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
| Gouk
| Grewal
|
Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
| Guay
| Hanger
|
Hardy
| Hart
| Harvey
| Hill
(Macleod)
|
Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hoeppner
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
|
Mark
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
|
McNally
| Ménard
| Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Morrison
| Muise
| Nystrom
| Obhrai
|
Pankiw
| Penson
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
St - Jacques
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 103
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 1 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 2.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 1B—JUSTICE
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 1b, in the amount of $50,137,442, under
JUSTICE—Operating expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B)
for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
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The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt
the motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Speaker: All those in favour of the motion will
please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Speaker: In my opinion the nays have it.
And more than five members having risen:
1800
(The House divided on Motion No. 2, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bennett
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Catterall
| Cauchon
| Chamberlain
| Chan
|
Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Cotler
| Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
|
Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
|
Fontana
| Fry
| Gagliano
| Gallaway
|
Godfrey
| Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grose
| Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
|
Hubbard
| Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Lastewka
|
Lavigne
| Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
|
Malhi
| Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
|
Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Peric
| Peterson
| Pettigrew
| Phinney
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Proulx
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Sekora
| Serré
| Sgro
|
Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
|
Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
|
Valeri
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
Wilfert
| Wood – 134
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
|
Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
| Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brien
| Cadman
|
Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
| Chatters
|
Davies
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Earle
| Epp
| Forseth
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Gilmour
|
Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
| Gouk
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
| Guay
|
Hanger
| Hardy
| Hart
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hoeppner
|
Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
|
Laurin
| Lebel
| Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Mark
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
|
McDonough
| McNally
| Ménard
| Meredith
|
Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Penson
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Vellacott
| Venne – 98
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 2 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 3.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 1B—HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 1b, in the amount of $28,283,400, under HUMAN
RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT—Corporate Services, in Supplementary
Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be
concurred in.
The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the
motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Speaker: All those in favour of the motion will
please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Speaker: In my opinion the nays have it.
And more than five members having risen:
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(The House divided on Motion No. 3, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bennett
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Catterall
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
|
Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
|
Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fontana
|
Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
| Goodale
|
Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
|
McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
|
Murray
| Myers
| Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Peric
| Peterson
| Phinney
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
|
Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
|
Sekora
| Serré
| Sgro
| Shepherd
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
|
Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
|
Wood – 129
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
|
Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
| Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brien
| Cadman
|
Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
| Chatters
|
Davies
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Earle
| Epp
| Forseth
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Gilmour
|
Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
| Gouk
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
| Guay
|
Hanger
| Hardy
| Hart
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hoeppner
|
Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
|
Laurin
| Lebel
| Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Mancini
| Marceau
| Mark
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
|
Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
| Ménard
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
|
Nystrom
| Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Penson
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Price
| Reynolds
|
Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
|
Sauvageau
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
|
Solomon
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 99
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 3 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 4.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 1B—PRIVY COUNCIL
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 1b, in the amount of $650,540, under PRIVY
COUNCIL—Program expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for
the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
1810
The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the
motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Speaker: All those in favour of the motion will
please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Speaker: In my opinion the nays have it.
And more than five members having risen:
1815
(The House divided on Motion No. 4, which was agreed to
on the following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bennett
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Catterall
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
|
Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
|
Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
|
Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fontana
|
Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
| Goodale
|
Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Sekora
| Serré
| Sgro
|
Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
|
Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
|
Valeri
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
Wilfert
| Wood – 130
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
|
Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
| Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brien
| Cadman
|
Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
| Chatters
|
Crête
| Davies
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
Dockrill
| Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
|
Dumas
| Duncan
| Earle
| Epp
|
Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
|
Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
| Gouk
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
| Guay
|
Hanger
| Hardy
| Hart
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Hoeppner
|
Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
|
Laurin
| Lebel
| Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Mancini
| Marceau
| Mark
| Mayfield
|
McDonough
| McNally
| Ménard
| Meredith
|
Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Penson
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
|
Venne – 97
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 4 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 5.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 10B—PRIVY COUNCIL
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 10b, in the amount of $200,000, under PRIVY
COUNCIL—Canadian Intergovernmental Conference
Secretariat—Program expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B)
for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the
motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Speaker: All those in favour of the motion will
please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Speaker: In my opinion the nays have it.
And more than five members having risen:
1820
(The House divided on Motion No. 5, which was agreed to
on the following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bennett
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
| Catterall
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Drouin
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fontana
| Gallaway
|
Godfrey
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Sekora
| Serré
| Sgro
|
Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
|
Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
|
Valeri
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
Wilfert
| Wood – 126
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
|
Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
| Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Breitkreuz
(Yorkton – Melville)
| Brien
| Cadman
|
Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
| Chatters
|
Crête
| Davies
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
Dockrill
| Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
|
Dumas
| Duncan
| Earle
| Epp
|
Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
|
Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
| Gouk
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
| Guay
|
Hanger
| Hardy
| Hart
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Konrad
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mancini
| Marceau
|
Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
|
Nystrom
| Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Penson
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Price
| Reynolds
|
Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
|
Sauvageau
| Schmidt
| Scott
(Skeena)
| Solberg
|
Solomon
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Venne – 94
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 5 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 6.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 40B—PRIVY COUNCIL
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 40b, in the amount of $98,600, under PRIVY
COUNCIL—National Round Table on the Environment and the
Economy—Program expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for
the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Speaker: All those in favour of the motion will
please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Speaker: In my opinion the nays have it.
And more than five members having risen:
1830
(The House divided on Motion No. 6, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bennett
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
| Catterall
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fontana
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
|
Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Phinney
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Sekora
| Serré
| Sgro
|
Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
|
Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
|
Valeri
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
Wilfert
| Wood – 126
|
NAYS
Members
Abbott
| Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
|
Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
| Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
|
Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
| Cadman
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Casson
| Chatters
| Crête
|
Davies
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Earle
| Epp
| Forseth
|
Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Gilmour
|
Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
| Gouk
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
| Guay
|
Hanger
| Hardy
| Hart
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Konrad
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mancini
| Marceau
|
Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Morrison
| Muise
|
Nystrom
| Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| Stinson
|
Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
|
Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
| Venne – 92
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 6 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 7.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 50B—PRIVY COUNCIL
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 50b, in the amount of $500,800, under PRIVY
COUNCIL—Security Intelligence Review Committee—Program
expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year
ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the
motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Speaker: All those in favour of the motion will
please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Speaker: In my opinion the yeas have it.
And more than five members having risen:
1835
(The House divided on Motion No. 7, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
| Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
|
Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
| Brown
|
Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
| Calder
|
Cannis
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
| DeVillers
|
Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
|
Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
|
Fontana
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
| Goodale
|
Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Sekora
| Sgro
| Shepherd
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
|
Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
|
Wood – 125
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
|
Brien
| Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
|
Casson
| Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
|
Davies
| de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
Dockrill
| Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
|
Dumas
| Duncan
| Earle
| Epp
|
Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
|
Gilmour
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
|
Grewal
| Gruending
| Guay
| Hanger
|
Hardy
| Harvey
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Konrad
|
Laurin
| Lebel
| Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Mancini
| Marceau
| Mark
| Mayfield
|
McDonough
| McNally
| Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Muise
| Nystrom
| Obhrai
| Pankiw
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Price
| Reynolds
|
Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
|
Sauvageau
| Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
St - Jacques
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
|
Turp
| Vautour
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 7 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 8.
[Translation]
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, you will find that, with the
exception of the member for Thunder Bay—Atikokan and the member
for Don Valley, there is unanimous consent to apply the result
of the last vote to Motions Nos. 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13
inclusive.
[English]
The Speaker: Is there agreement to proceed in such a
fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, I would simply like to bring
to your attention the fact that our colleagues from
Bas-Richelieu—Nicolet—Bécancour and Jonquière are now here and that
they should be recorded as having voted on these motions.
The Speaker: I see them, it is agreed.
1840
[English]
Mr. Jay Hill: Mr. Speaker, I wish to draw the Chair's
attention to the fact that the hon. member for Prince Albert has
left the Chamber and should be noted as such in this vote. The
hon. member for Edmonton North has rejoined the party and will be
voting. It is has also been brought to my attention that the
hon. member for Calgary Southeast is also present for the votes.
The Speaker: I see three members from the Liberals
standing. I assume they want to be recorded on this vote. All
are recorded.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 10B—SOLICITOR GENERAL
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 10b, in the amount of $788,500, under SOLICITOR
GENERAL—Canadian Security Intelligence Service—Program
expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year
ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 8, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Catterall
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Cotler
| Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fontana
| Gallaway
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
|
Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
|
Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Sgro
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Volpe
|
Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 128
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
|
Brien
| Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
|
Casson
| Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
|
Davies
| de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
Dockrill
| Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
|
Dumas
| Duncan
| Earle
| Epp
|
Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
|
Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goldring
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
|
Guay
| Hanger
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mancini
| Marceau
|
Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Venne – 94
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 8 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 15B—SOLICITOR GENERAL
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 15b, in the amount of $12,189,240, under SOLICITOR
GENERAL—Correctional Service—Penitentiary Service and
National Parole Service, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the
fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 9, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Catterall
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Cotler
| Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fontana
| Gallaway
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
|
Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
|
Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Sgro
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Volpe
|
Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 128
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
|
Brien
| Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
|
Casson
| Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
|
Davies
| de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
Dockrill
| Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
|
Dumas
| Duncan
| Earle
| Epp
|
Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
|
Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goldring
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
|
Guay
| Hanger
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mancini
| Marceau
|
Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Venne – 94
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 9 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 25B—SOLICITOR GENERAL
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 25b, in the amount of $1,832,000, under SOLICITOR
GENERAL—National Parole Board—Program expenditures, in
Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31,
2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 10, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Catterall
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Cotler
| Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fontana
| Gallaway
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
|
Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
|
Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Sgro
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Volpe
|
Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 128
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
|
Brien
| Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
|
Casson
| Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
|
Davies
| de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
Dockrill
| Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
|
Dumas
| Duncan
| Earle
| Epp
|
Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
|
Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goldring
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
|
Guay
| Hanger
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mancini
| Marceau
|
Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Venne – 94
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 10 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 30B—SOLICITOR GENERAL
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 30b, in the amount of $304,256, under SOLICITOR
GENERAL—Office of the Correctional Investigator—Program
expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year
ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 11, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Catterall
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Cotler
| Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fontana
| Gallaway
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
|
Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
|
Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Sgro
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Volpe
|
Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 128
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
|
Brien
| Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
|
Casson
| Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
|
Davies
| de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
Dockrill
| Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
|
Dumas
| Duncan
| Earle
| Epp
|
Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
|
Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goldring
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
|
Guay
| Hanger
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mancini
| Marceau
|
Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Venne – 94
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 11 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 45B—SOLICITOR GENERAL
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 45b, in the amount of $35,900, under SOLICITOR
GENERAL—Royal Canadian Mounted Police External Review
Committee—Program expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B)
for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 12, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Catterall
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Cotler
| Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fontana
| Gallaway
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
|
Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
|
Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Sgro
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Volpe
|
Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 128
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
|
Brien
| Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
|
Casson
| Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
|
Davies
| de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
Dockrill
| Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
|
Dumas
| Duncan
| Earle
| Epp
|
Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
|
Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goldring
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
|
Guay
| Hanger
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mancini
| Marceau
|
Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Venne – 94
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 12 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 10B—AGRICULTURE AND AGRI-FOOD
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 10b, in the amount of $229,115,500, under AGRICULTURE
AND AGRI-FOOD—The grants listed in the Estimates, in
Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31,
2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 13, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Catterall
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Cotler
| Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fontana
| Gallaway
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
|
Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
|
Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
| Sekora
|
Serré
| Sgro
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Volpe
|
Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 128
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Benoit
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
|
Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
|
Brien
| Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
|
Casson
| Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
|
Davies
| de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
|
Dockrill
| Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
|
Dumas
| Duncan
| Earle
| Epp
|
Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
|
Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Goldring
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
|
Guay
| Hanger
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mancini
| Marceau
|
Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Venne – 94
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 13 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 14.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 15B—HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 15b, in the amount of $1,300,000, under HUMAN
RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT—Labour—Program expenditures, in
Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31,
2000, be concurred in.
The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the
motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Speaker: All those in favour of the motion will
please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Speaker: In my opinion the yeas have it.
And more than five members having risen:
1845
(The House divided on Motion No. 14, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Catterall
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
|
Cotler
| Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
|
Dion
| Discepola
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fontana
| Fry
|
Gallaway
| Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
|
Grose
| Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
|
Hubbard
| Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
|
Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
|
Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Lastewka
|
Lavigne
| Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
|
Lincoln
| Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
|
Malhi
| Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
|
Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
|
McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
|
Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
| Murray
|
Myers
| Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
|
O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
|
Patry
| Peric
| Peterson
| Phinney
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
|
Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
|
Sekora
| Serré
| Sgro
| Shepherd
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
|
Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
|
Wood – 129
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bellehumeur
|
Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
| Blaikie
|
Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
| Cadman
| Canuel
|
Cardin
| Casson
| Chatters
| Crête
|
Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
| de Savoye
| Debien
|
Desrochers
| Dockrill
| Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
|
Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
| Duncan
| Earle
|
Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hanger
| Hardy
|
Harvey
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
|
Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mancini
|
Marceau
| Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
|
McNally
| Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
|
Nystrom
| Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
|
Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
|
Sauvageau
| Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
St - Jacques
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
|
Turp
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 14 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 15.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 25B—HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 25b, in the amount of $1,350,000, under HUMAN
RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT—Canada Industrial Relations Board—Program
expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year
ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the
motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Speaker: All those in favour of the motion will
please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Speaker: In my opinion the nays have it.
And more than five members having risen:
1855
(The House divided on Motion No. 15, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Caplan
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Clouthier
| Comuzzi
|
Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
| DeVillers
|
Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
| Dromisky
|
Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
| Finlay
|
Fontana
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Gray
(Windsor West)
| Grose
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
| Leung
|
Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
| MacAulay
|
Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
| Manley
|
Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
| McCormick
|
McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
|
McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
|
Murray
| Myers
| Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Peric
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Sekora
| Serré
| Sgro
|
Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
|
Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
|
Valeri
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
Wilfert
| Wood – 126
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bigras
|
Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
| Cadman
|
Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
| Chatters
|
Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
| de Savoye
|
Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
| Doyle
|
Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
| Earle
|
Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Mancini
| Marceau
|
Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
|
Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
| Ritz
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| Schmidt
| Solberg
|
Solomon
| St - Jacques
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 87
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 15 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 16.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 35B—HUMAN RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib) moved:
That Vote 35b, in the amount of $500,000, under HUMAN RESOURCES
DEVELOPMENT—Canadian Centre for Occupational Health and
Safety—Program expenditures, in supplementary Estimates (B) for
the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
The speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the
motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Speaker: All those in favour of the motion will
please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Speaker: In my opinion the nays have it.
And more than five members having risen:
1900
(The House divided on Motion No. 16, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
|
Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
|
Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fry
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
|
Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
| Leung
|
Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
| MacAulay
|
Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
| Manley
|
Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
| McCormick
|
McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
|
McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
|
Murray
| Myers
| Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Peric
| Phinney
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
|
Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
|
Sekora
| Serré
| Sgro
| Shepherd
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
|
Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
|
Wood – 125
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
| Grewal
|
Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
|
Harvey
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
|
Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
|
Laurin
| Lebel
| Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
|
McNally
| Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
|
Nystrom
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| Schmidt
|
Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
|
Turp
| Vellacott
| Venne – 87
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 16 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 17.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 5B—JUSTICE
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 5b, in the amount of $5,524,012, under JUSTICE—The
grants listed in the Estimates and contributions, in
Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31,
2000, be concurred in.
[Translation]
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, you will find there is unanimous
consent to apply the result of the last vote to Motion No. 17.
[English]
The Speaker: Order, please. The hon. government whip, I
must have misunderstood.
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, my apologies to you and to
the entire House. I am asking that you would find unanimous
consent to apply the results of the vote taken on Motion No. 16,
the last motion. The results would apply to Motion No. 17.
The Speaker: Is there agreement?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
1905
[Translation]
Mr. Yvon Godin: Mr. Speaker, I would like to draw your attention
to the fact that the member for Burnaby—Douglas was not here for
the last vote.
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, I have the pleasure to point out
to you that the member for Beauséjour—Peticodiac should be
recorded as having voted.
The Speaker: On Motion No. 17. Agreed.
[English]
(The House divided on Motion No. 17, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
|
Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
|
Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fry
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
|
Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
|
Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
| Leung
|
Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
| MacAulay
|
Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
| Manley
|
Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
| McCormick
|
McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
|
McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
|
Murray
| Myers
| Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
|
O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
| Paradis
|
Parrish
| Patry
| Peric
| Phinney
|
Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
|
Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
|
Sekora
| Serré
| Sgro
| Shepherd
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
|
Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
|
Wood – 125
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Goldring
| Grewal
|
Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
|
Harvey
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
|
Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
|
Laurin
| Lebel
| Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
|
McNally
| Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
|
Nystrom
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
|
Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
| Vellacott
|
Venne – 89
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Speaker: I declare Motion No. 17 carried.
The next question is on Motion No. 18.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 1B—PARLIAMENT
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 1b, in the amount of $1,200,000, under PARLIAMENT—The
Senate—Program expenditures, in the Supplementary Estimates (B)
for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
The Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the
motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Speaker: All those in favour of the motion will
please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Speaker: In my opinion the yeas have it.
And more than five members having risen:
1910
[Translation]
(The House divided on Motion No. 18, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Doyle
|
Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
| Duncan
|
Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
| Gauthier
|
Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
|
Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
| Guay
|
Hardy
| Harvey
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
|
Hilstrom
| Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
|
Konrad
| Laurin
| Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Mark
| Mayfield
| McDonough
|
McNally
| Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
|
Nystrom
| Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
|
Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
|
Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
|
Sauvageau
| Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
|
St - Jacques
| Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
|
Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
|
Turp
| Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 88
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 18 carried.
[English]
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, I believe you would find
consent to apply the results of the vote just taken to Motions
Nos. 19 to 41.
[Translation]
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed in
this fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Mr. Yvon Godin: Mr. Speaker, for this vote I would like the
names of the hon. members for Winnipeg Centre, Yukon and Bras
d'Or—Cape Breton added.
[English]
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent that the
votes be counted as indicated by the whip of the New Democratic
Party?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Mr. Jim Gouk: Mr. Speaker, I was not present for the
standing vote which recorded the names but I am present now and I
would like to have my name counted in all future votes.
The Deputy Speaker: The Chair is at a loss. Does the
hon. member mean future votes or the ones we just applied?
Mr. Jim Gouk: With my party.
The Deputy Speaker: Perhaps we could add it to the ones
we just applied the last vote to. Is that agreed?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 1B—ENVIRONMENT
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 1b, in the amount of $15,476,471, under
ENVIRONMENT—Operating expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates
(B) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 19, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 19 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 5B—ENVIRONMENT
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 5b, in the amount of $13,716,701, under
ENVIRONMENT—Capital expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B)
for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 20, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 20 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 10B—ENVIRONMENT
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 10b, in the amount of $116,503,042, under
ENVIRONMENT—The grants listed in the Estimates, in Supplementary
Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be
concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 21, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 21 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 15B—ENVIRONMENT
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 15b, in the amount of $1,060,250, under
ENVIRONMENT—Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency—Program
expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year
ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 22, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 22 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 1B—NATIONAL DEFENCE
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 1b, in the amount of $176,365,776, under NATIONAL
DEFENCE—Operating expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B)
for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 23, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 23 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 5B—NATIONAL DEFENCE
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 5b, in the amount of $280,175,622, under NATIONAL
DEFENCE—Capital expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for
the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 24, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 24 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE L11B—NATIONAL DEFENCE
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote L11b, in the amount of—$50,000,000, under NATIONAL
DEFENCE in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending
March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 25, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 25 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 1B—INDUSTRY
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 1b, in the amount of $5,590,280, under
INDUSTRY—Operating expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B)
for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 26, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 26 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 5B—INDUSTRY
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 5b, in the amount of $1,013,537,000, under
INDUSTRY—The grants listed in the Estimates and contributions,
in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March
31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 27, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 27 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 20B—INDUSTRY
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 20b, in the amount of $600,000, under
INDUSTRY—Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency—Operating
expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year
ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 28, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 28 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 25B—INDUSTRY
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 25b, in the amount of $4,942,231, under
INDUSTRY—Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency—Contributions,
in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March
31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 29, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 29 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 45B—INDUSTRY
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 45b, in the amount of $160,000, under
INDUSTRY—Competition Tribunal—Program expenditures, in
Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31,
2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 30, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 30 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 75B—INDUSTRY
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 75b, in the amount of $3,387,636, under
INDUSTRY—National Research Council of Canada—Capital
expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year
ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 31, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 31 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 80B—INDUSTRY
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 80b, in the amount of $1, under INDUSTRY—National
Research Council of Canada—The grants listed in the Estimates,
in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March
31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 32, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 32 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 90B—INDUSTRY
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 90b, in the amount of $4,175,000, under
INDUSTRY—Natural Science and Engineering Research Council—The
grants listed in the Estimates, in Supplementary Estimates (B)
for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 33, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 33 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 95B—INDUSTRY
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 95b, in the amount of $160,000, under INDUSTRY—Social
Sciences and Humanities Research Council—Operating
expenditures, in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year
ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 34, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 34 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 100B—INDUSTRY
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 100b, in the amount of $1,915,000, under
INDUSTRY—Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council—The
grants listed in the Estimates, in Supplementary Estimates (B)
for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 35, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 35 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 1B—PUBLIC WORKS AND GOVERNMENT SERVICES
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 1b, in the amount of $20,968,227, under PUBLIC WORKS
AND GOVERNMENT SERVICES—Government Services, in Supplementary
Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be
concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 36, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 36 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 5B—PUBLIC WORKS AND GOVERNMENT SERVICES
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 5b, in the amount of $66,974,000, under PUBLIC WORKS
AND GOVERNMENT SERVICES—Government Services, in Supplementary
Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be
concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 37, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 37 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 6B—PUBLIC WORKS AND GOVERNMENT SERVICES
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 6b, in the amount of $1, under PUBLIC WORKS AND
GOVERNMENT SERVICES—Government Telecommunications and
Informatics Services Revolving Fund, in Supplementary Estimates
(B) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 38, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 38 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 25B—PUBLIC WORKS AND GOVERNMENT
SERVICES
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 25b, in the amount of $39,300,000, under PUBLIC WORKS
AND GOVERNMENT SERVICES—Canada Mortage and Housing Corporation,
in Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March
31, 2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 39, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 39 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 26B—PUBLIC WORKS AND GOVERNMENT
SERVICES
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 26b, in the amount of $1, under PUBLIC WORKS AND
GOVERNMENT SERVICES—Canada Mortage and Housing Corporation, in
Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31,
2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 40, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 40 carried.
CONCURRENCE IN VOTE 30B—PUBLIC WORKS AND GOVERNMENT
SERVICES
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Vote 30b, in the amount of $8,000,000, under PUBLIC WORKS
AND GOVERNMENT SERVICES—Canada Post Corporation, in
Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March 31,
2000, be concurred in.
(The House divided on Motion No. 41, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Caplan
| Catterall
| Chamberlain
|
Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peterson
|
Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
| Provenzano
|
Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
| Robillard
|
Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
| Speller
|
St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
|
Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
| Thibeault
|
Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
| Wappel
|
Whelan
| Wilfert
| Wood – 123
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
| Johnston
|
Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
|
Lebel
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare Motion No. 41 carried.
1915
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That Supplementary Estimates (B) for the fiscal year ending March
31, 2000, except any vote disposed of earlier today, be concurred in.
[Translation]
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, I think you will find unanimous
consent to have members who voted on the previous motion
recorded as having voted on the motion now before the House,
with Liberal members voting yea.
[English]
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed
in this fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Mr. Jay Hill: Mr. Speaker, members of the official
opposition present this evening will be recorded as voting nay.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, members of the Bloc
Quebecois vote no on this motion.
Mr. Yvon Godin: Mr. Speaker, members of the NDP vote no on this
motion.
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, Progressive Conservative members
are opposed to this motion.
[English]
Mr. John Cannis: Mr. Speaker, I would like my vote to be
recorded.
Mr. Janko Peric: Mr. Speaker, I missed a few votes and I
would like my vote to be recorded.
Mr. Eric Lowther: Mr. Speaker, I was here for the reading
of the motion. I would like my vote to be recorded.
Mr. Joseph Volpe: Mr. Speaker, as my colleague from
Cambridge also said, I want to make sure that my vote is recorded
on the government side.
Mr. Paul Forseth: Mr. Speaker, I just want to ensure that
I am recorded as voting on this one.
(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
| Catterall
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
|
Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
|
Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
|
Godfrey
| Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
|
Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
|
Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
| Serré
|
Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
|
Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
|
Valeri
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
Wilfert
| Wood – 126
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
|
Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
|
Harvey
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
|
Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
|
Laurin
| Lebel
| Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Mark
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
|
McDonough
| McNally
| Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Muise
| Nystrom
| Obhrai
| Pankiw
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Reynolds
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| Schmidt
| Solberg
|
Solomon
| St - Jacques
| Stinson
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
|
Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
| Vellacott
|
Venne – 93
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare the motion carried.
Hon. Lucienne Robillard moved that Bill C-29, an act for
granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public
service for the financial year ending March 31, 2000, be read the
first time.
(Motion deemed adopted and bill read the first time)
Hon. Lucienne Robillard moved that the bill be read the
second time and referred to committee of the whole.
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, if the House would agree, I
would propose that you seek unanimous consent that members who
voted on the previous motion be recorded as having voted on the
motion now before the House, with Liberal members voting yea.
1920
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed
in this fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Mr. Jay Hill: Mr. Speaker, Reform Party members present
this evening will be voting nay to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, Bloc Quebecois members vote
no on this motion.
Mr. Yvon Godin: Mr. Speaker, the members of the NDP vote no to
this motion.
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, Progressive Conservative members
vote no on this motion.
[English]
(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
| Catterall
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
| Chrétien
(Saint - Maurice)
|
Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
|
Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
|
Discepola
| Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
|
Eggleton
| Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
|
Godfrey
| Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
|
Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
|
Pagtakhan
| Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
|
Peric
| Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
|
Proud
| Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
|
Richardson
| Robillard
| Saada
| Serré
|
Shepherd
| Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
|
Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
|
Valeri
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
Wilfert
| Wood – 126
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Duncan
| Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
|
Gagnon
| Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
|
Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
| Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
|
Grey
(Edmonton North)
| Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
|
Harvey
| Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Hilstrom
|
Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
| Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
|
Laurin
| Lebel
| Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
|
Marceau
| Mark
| Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
|
McDonough
| McNally
| Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
|
Muise
| Nystrom
| Obhrai
| Pankiw
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Reynolds
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| Schmidt
| Solberg
|
Solomon
| St - Jacques
| Stinson
| Stoffer
|
Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
| Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
|
Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
| Vautour
| Vellacott
|
Venne – 93
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare the motion carried.
(Bill read the second time and the House went into committee
thereon, Mr. Milliken in the chair)
The Chairman: Shall clause 2 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 2 agreed to)
(On Clause 3)
Mr. Philip Mayfield (Cariboo—Chilcotin, Ref.): Mr.
Chairman, could the President of the Treasury Board please
confirm that this bill is in its usual form?
[Translation]
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the
presentation of this bill is similar to that used for the
previous supply period, including a separate schedule for
agencies with multiyear appropriations.
The Chairman: Shall clause 3 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 3 agreed to)
[English]
The Chairman: Shall clause 4 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 4 agreed to)
[Translation]
The Chairman: Shall clause 5 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 5 agreed to)
The Chairman: Shall clause 6 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 6 agreed to)
[English]
The Chairman: Shall Clause 7 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 7 agreed to)
The Chairman: Shall clause 8 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 8 agreed to)
[Translation]
The Chairman: Shall schedule 1 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Schedule 1 agreed to)
[English]
The Chairman: Shall schedule 2 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Schedule 2 agreed to)
The Chairman: Shall clause 1 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 1 agreed to)
[Translation]
The Chairman: Shall the preamble carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Preamble agreed to)
The Chairman: Shall the title carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Title agreed to)
[English]
(Bill reported)
Hon. Lucienne Robillard moved that the bill be concurred
in.
[Translation]
The Deputy Chairman: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt
the motion?
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Chairman, I think you will find unanimous
consent to have members who voted on the preceding motion, and I
note the absence of the member for Saint-Maurice, recorded as
having voted on the motion now before the House, with Liberal
members voting yea.
The Deputy Chairman: Is there unanimous consent to proceed in
such a fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
[English]
Mr. Jay Hill: Mr. Speaker, members of the official
opposition present wish their vote to be recorded as nay to this
motion. I would note that the hon. members for
Selkirk—Interlake and Vancouver Island North are now absent from
the House.
1925
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, members of the Bloc
Quebecois vote no to this motion.
[English]
Mr. Yvon Godin: Members of the NDP present are voting no
to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, the Progressive Conservative
members present for the previous division vote no on this
motion.
[English]
(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
| Catterall
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
|
Robillard
| Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
|
Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
|
Wood – 125
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
|
Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare the motion for concurrence
carried.
When shall the bill be read the third time? By leave, now?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Hon. Lucienne Robillard moved that the bill be read the
third time and passed.
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, if the House would agree, I
would propose that you seek unanimous consent that members who
voted on the previous motion be recorded as having voted on the
motion now before the House, with Liberal members voting yea.
The Deputy Speaker: Perhaps I could shorten this. Is it
agreed that we apply the previous vote to this motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
Mr. Jay Hill: We are in agreement with that, Mr. Speaker,
but everyone else is not and that is unfortunate. Therefore I
will state that members of the official opposition present this
evening wish to be recorded as voting nay to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, members of the Bloc
Quebecois vote no on this motion.
Mr. Yvon Godin: Mr. Speaker, New Democratic Party members vote
no on this motion.
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, Progressive Conservative members
vote no on this motion.
(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
| Catterall
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
|
Robillard
| Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
|
Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
|
Wood – 125
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
|
Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare the motion carried.
(Bill read the third time and passed)
* * *
[English]
INTERIM SUPPLY
Hon. Lucienne Robillard (President of the Treasury Board and
Minister responsible for Infrastructure, Lib.) moved:
That this
House do concur in Interim Supply as follows:
That a sum not exceeding $15,596,117,039.16 being composed
of:
(1) three-twelfths ($7,535,074,790.50) of the total of the
amounts of the items set forth in Schedule 1 of the Main
Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2001, which were
laid upon the Table Tuesday, February 29, 2000, and except for
those items below:
(2) eleven-twelfths of the total of the amount of Foreign
Affairs and International Trade Vote 15, National Defence Vote
10, Natural Resources Vote L10 and Treasury Board Vote 5
(Schedule 1.1) of the said Estimates, $1,073,723,823.33;
(3) nine-twelfths of the total of the amount of Parliament
Vote 10 (Schedule 1.2) of the said Estimates, $14,848,500.00;
(4) eight-twelfths of the total of the amount of Indian
Affairs and Nothern Development Vote 5 (Schedule 1.3) of the said
Estimates, $170,876,666.67;
(5) seven-twelfths of the total of the amount of Canadian
Heritage Vote 65, Finance Vote 15, Human Resources Development
Vote 20 and Industry Vote 50 (Schedule 1.4) of the said
Estimates, $868,616,583.33;
(6) six-twelfths of the total of the amount of Canadian
Heritage Vote 15, Fisheries and Oceans Vote 10, and Natural
Resources Vote 25 (Schedule 1.5) of the said Estimates,
$188,321,500.00;
(7) five-twelfths of the total of the amount of Canadian
Heritage Vote 60, Indian Affairs and Northern Development Vote
15, Industry Vote 40, Justice Vote 1, Solicitor General Vote 5,
Transport Vote 1 and Treasury Board Vote 1 (Schedule 1.6) of the
said Estimates, $1,995,339,250.00;
(8) four-twelfths of the total of the amount of Agriculture
and Agri-Food Vote 10, Canadian Heritage Votes 20, 35 and 45,
Citizenship and Immigration Vote 10, Foreign Affairs and
International Trade Votes 25 and 45, Health Vote 1, Human
Resources Development Vote 5, Indian Affairs and Northern
Development Votes 25 and 30, Industry Votes 35, 90, 95, 100 and
110, Public Works and Government Services Votes 1, 10 and 25
(Schedule 1.7) of the said Estimates, $3,111,692,675.33;
(9) three-twelfths ($637,623,250.00) of the total of the
amounts of the items set forth in Schedule 2 of the Main
Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2001, which were
laid upon the Table Tuesday, February 29, 2000;
[Translation]
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, you will find there is unanimous
consent that members who voted on the previous motion be
recorded as having voted on the motion now before the House,
with Liberal members voting yea.
[English]
Mr. Jay Hill: Mr. Speaker, members of the official
opposition who are present wish their vote to be recorded as nay.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, Bloc Quebecois members are
opposed to this motion.
Mr. Yvon Godin: Mr. Speaker, the members of the NDP are voting
no to this motion.
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, Progressive Conservative members
present will vote no on this motion.
(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
| Catterall
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
|
Robillard
| Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
|
Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
|
Wood – 125
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
|
Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare the motion carried.
Hon. Lucienne Robillard moved that Bill C-30, an act for
granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public
service of Canada for the financial year ending March 31, 2001,
be read the first time.
(Motion agreed to and bill read the first time)
[English]
Hon. Lucienne Robillard moved that the bill be read the
second time and referred to committee of the whole.
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Speaker, if the House would agree I
would propose that you seek unanimous consent that members who
voted on the previous motion be recorded as having voted on the
motion now before the House, with Liberal members voting yea.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent to proceed
in this fashion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
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Mr. Jay Hill: Mr. Speaker, I have been instructed that
this is getting repetitious. Therefore I would like it to be
noted that Reform Party members do not like this motion and will
vote no.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, the members of the Bloc
Quebecois, with the exception of the member for Laval East, who
had to be away, will vote against the motion.
Mr. Yvon Godin: Mr. Speaker, NDP members present are opposed to
the motion.
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, Progressive Conservative members
will be voting against the motion.
[English]
(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
| Catterall
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
|
Robillard
| Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
|
Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
|
Wood – 125
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
|
Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
(Bill read the second time and the House went into committee
thereon, Mr. Milliken in the chair)
(On clause 2)
Mr. Philip Mayfield (Cariboo—Chilcotin, Ref.): Mr.
Chairman, could the President of the Treasury Board confirm that
this bill is in the usual form?
[Translation]
Hon. Lucienne Robillard: Mr. Chairman, the presentation of the
bill is identical to that used during the previous supply
period, including a separate schedule for agencies with
multi-year appropriations.
The Chairman: Shall clause 2 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 2 agreed to)
The Chairman: Shall clause 3 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 3 agreed to)
The Deputy Chairman: Shall clause 4 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 4 agreed to)
[English]
The Chairman: Shall clause 5 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 5 agreed to)
The Chairman: Shall Clause 6 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 6 agreed to)
[Translation]
The Chairman: Shall clause 7 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 7 agreed to)
The Chairman: Shall schedule 1 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Schedule 1 agreed to)
[English]
The Chairman: Shall schedule 2 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Schedule 2 agreed to)
The Chairman: Shall clause 1 carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Clause 1 agreed to)
[Translation]
The Chairman: Shall the preamble carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Preamble agreed to)
[English]
The Chairman: Shall the title carry?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: On division.
(Title agreed to)
(Bill reported)
[Translation]
Hon. Lucienne Robillard moved that the bill be concurred in.
The Deputy Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the
motion?
Mr. Bob Kilger: Mr. Chairman, I want to thank all my colleagues,
the whips of the various parties, for their co-operation tonight.
You will find there is unanimous consent that members who voted
on the previous motion be recorded as having voted on the motion
now before the House, with Liberal members voting yea.
The Deputy Speaker: Is there unanimous consent?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
[English]
Mr. Jay Hill: Mr. Speaker, we still do not like it and we
will still vote no.
[Translation]
Mr. Stéphane Bergeron: Mr. Speaker, the Bloc Quebecois members
are opposed to this motion.
1935
[English]
Mr. Yvon Godin: Mr. Speaker, members of the NDP
present will vote no to this motion.
[Translation]
Mr. André Harvey: Mr. Speaker, the Progressive Conservative
members will note nay on the motion.
[English]
(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Blondin - Andrew
|
Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
| Bradshaw
|
Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
| Byrne
|
Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
| Catterall
|
Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
| Clouthier
|
Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
| Cullen
|
DeVillers
| Dhaliwal
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fry
| Gallaway
| Godfrey
|
Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
| Guarnieri
|
Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
| Iftody
|
Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
| Karetak - Lindell
|
Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
| Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
|
Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
| Lee
|
Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
| Longfield
|
MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
| Maloney
|
Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
| Matthews
|
McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
| McLellan
(Edmonton West)
|
McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
| Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
|
Minna
| Murray
| Myers
| Nault
|
O'Brien
(Labrador)
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
|
Robillard
| Saada
| Serré
| Shepherd
|
Speller
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
| Steckle
|
Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
| Telegdi
|
Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
| Valeri
|
Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
| Wilfert
|
Wood – 125
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Debien
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
|
Doyle
| Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
|
Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
|
Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Martin
(Winnipeg Centre)
| Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
|
Meredith
| Mills
(Red Deer)
| Muise
| Nystrom
|
Obhrai
| Pankiw
| Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
|
Plamondon
| Price
| Reynolds
| Riis
|
Ritz
| Robinson
| Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
|
Schmidt
| Solberg
| Solomon
| St - Jacques
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 91
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare the motion carried. When
shall the bill be read the third time? By leave, now?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Hon. Lucienne Robillard moved that the bill be read the
third time and passed.
The Deputy Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to
adopt the motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
Some hon. members: No.
The Deputy Speaker: All those in favour of the motion
will please say yea.
Some hon. members: Yea.
The Deputy Speaker: All those opposed will please say nay.
Some hon. members: Nay.
The Deputy Speaker: In my opinion the yeas have it.
And more than five members having risen:
1940
(The House divided on the motion, which was agreed to on the
following division:)
YEAS
Members
Adams
| Assadourian
| Augustine
| Axworthy
|
Baker
| Bakopanos
| Barnes
| Beaumier
|
Bélair
| Bélanger
| Bertrand
| Bevilacqua
|
Blondin - Andrew
| Bonin
| Bonwick
| Boudria
|
Bradshaw
| Brown
| Bryden
| Bulte
|
Byrne
| Calder
| Cannis
| Caplan
|
Catterall
| Chamberlain
| Chan
| Charbonneau
|
Clouthier
| Comuzzi
| Copps
| Cotler
|
Cullen
| DeVillers
| Dion
| Discepola
|
Dromisky
| Duhamel
| Easter
| Eggleton
|
Finlay
| Fontana
| Fry
| Gallaway
|
Godfrey
| Goodale
| Graham
| Grose
|
Guarnieri
| Harb
| Harvard
| Hubbard
|
Iftody
| Jackson
| Jennings
| Jordan
|
Karetak - Lindell
| Karygiannis
| Keyes
| Kilger
(Stormont – Dundas – Charlottenburgh)
|
Kilgour
(Edmonton Southeast)
| Knutson
| Lastewka
| Lavigne
|
Lee
| Leung
| Limoges
| Lincoln
|
Longfield
| MacAulay
| Mahoney
| Malhi
|
Maloney
| Manley
| Marleau
| Martin
(LaSalle – Émard)
|
Matthews
| McCormick
| McGuire
| McKay
(Scarborough East)
|
McLellan
(Edmonton West)
| McTeague
| McWhinney
| Mifflin
|
Mills
(Broadview – Greenwood)
| Minna
| Murray
| Myers
|
Nault
| O'Brien
(London – Fanshawe)
| O'Reilly
| Pagtakhan
|
Paradis
| Parrish
| Patry
| Peric
|
Peterson
| Phinney
| Pickard
(Chatham – Kent Essex)
| Proud
|
Provenzano
| Redman
| Reed
| Richardson
|
Robillard
| Saada
| Sekora
| Serré
|
Sgro
| Shepherd
| St. Denis
| St - Julien
|
Steckle
| Stewart
(Brant)
| Stewart
(Northumberland)
| Szabo
|
Telegdi
| Thibeault
| Torsney
| Ur
|
Valeri
| Volpe
| Wappel
| Whelan
|
Wilfert
| Wood – 126
|
NAYS
Members
Alarie
| Anders
| Asselin
| Bachand
(Richmond – Arthabaska)
|
Bellehumeur
| Bergeron
| Bernier
(Bonaventure – Gaspé – Îles - de - la - Madeleine – Pabok)
| Bernier
(Tobique – Mactaquac)
|
Bigras
| Blaikie
| Breitkreuz
(Yellowhead)
| Brien
|
Cadman
| Canuel
| Cardin
| Casson
|
Chatters
| Crête
| Dalphond - Guiral
| Davies
|
de Savoye
| Desrochers
| Dockrill
| Doyle
|
Dubé
(Lévis - et - Chutes - de - la - Chaudière)
| Dubé
(Madawaska – Restigouche)
| Dumas
| Duncan
|
Epp
| Forseth
| Fournier
| Gagnon
|
Gauthier
| Gilmour
| Girard - Bujold
| Godin
(Acadie – Bathurst)
|
Godin
(Châteauguay)
| Gouk
| Grewal
| Grey
(Edmonton North)
|
Gruending
| Guay
| Hardy
| Harvey
|
Hill
(Macleod)
| Hill
(Prince George – Peace River)
| Johnston
| Keddy
(South Shore)
|
Kenney
(Calgary Southeast)
| Konrad
| Laurin
| Lebel
|
Lowther
| MacKay
(Pictou – Antigonish – Guysborough)
| Marceau
| Mark
|
Mayfield
| McDonough
| McNally
| Meredith
|
Mills
(Red Deer)
| Nystrom
| Obhrai
| Pankiw
|
Perron
| Picard
(Drummond)
| Plamondon
| Price
|
Reynolds
| Riis
| Ritz
| Robinson
|
Rocheleau
| Sauvageau
| Schmidt
| Solomon
|
Stinson
| Stoffer
| Strahl
| Thompson
(New Brunswick Southwest)
|
Thompson
(Wild Rose)
| Tremblay
(Lac - Saint - Jean)
| Tremblay
(Rimouski – Mitis)
| Turp
|
Vautour
| Vellacott
| Venne – 87
|
PAIRED
Members
Collenette
| Lefebvre
| Normand
| Nunziata
|
The Deputy Speaker: I declare the motion carried.
(Bill read the third time and passed)
[Translation]
It being 7.45 p.m., the House will now proceed to consideration
of Private Members' Business as per today's Order Paper.
PRIVATE MEMBERS' BUSINESS
[English]
ACT OF INCORPORATION OF THE BOARD OF ELDERS OF THE CANADIAN
DISTRICT OF THE MORAVIAN CHURCH IN AMERICA
Mr. Dale Johnston (Wetaskiwin, Ref.) moved that Bill S-14,
an act to amend the act of incorporation of the Board of Elders
of the Canadian District of the Moravian Church in America, be
read the second time and referred to a legislative committee.
He said: Mr. Speaker, I am pleased that we have been able to
bring this item to the House today.
Bill S-14 corrects some technical anomalies in the incorporation
of the Moravian Church in America. It seeks to modify the long
title of the French version and it gives the board of elders of
the Moravian Church a name. It removes restrictions on the
board's investment powers as well.
1945
The hour is late and I am only going to take a few minutes for
this. For those who are unfamiliar with the Moravian Church, it
was founded almost 500 years ago in the area that we know as
Czechoslovakia. It is similar to the Mennonite Church in some
aspects. The Moravians are renowned for their missionary work.
It was to pursue this vocation that they came to Canada and
Labrador in the beginning.
In 1909 an act of the Parliament of Canada established the
Moravian Church as a legal entity. One of the clauses of
incorporation precluded the church from owning property worth no
more than $50,000. In 1952 the church approached parliament to
have this limit increased to $500,000 and it was done at that
time. In 1986 the elders of the Moravian Church started a
process to have the clause removed altogether.
We can see that they have been at this for a long time and they
have been waiting very patiently for this to come about. They
have complied with all of the requirements and advertised their
plans in the requisite publications at considerable expense to
themselves. It is fairly significant that no objections were
ever raised to their intentions to do this.
Since that time they have endured several parliamentary delays,
none of which was any fault of their own. As legislation of this
nature generally originates in the Senate, the late Walter Twinn,
who was a member of the Progressive Conservative Party at the
time, took up the cause back in 1992.
Legislative scheduling and other delays in the Senate, not the
least of which were the elections in 1993 and 1997, and then of
course the sudden passing of Senator Twinn, all played a part in
holding up passage of the bill.
Last fall it came to the attention of Alberta Liberal Senator
Nick Taylor who successfully piloted the bill through the other
place just before the Christmas recess.
Now with Reform sponsoring the bill in the House of Commons it
is truly one that is non-partisan. In the spirit of that
non-partisan co-operation, Mr. Speaker, I think that you would
find that there would be unanimous consent, should you seek it,
for the following motion. I move:
That notwithstanding any standing order and the usual practices
of the House, Bill S-14, an act to amend the Act of incorporation
of the Board of Elders of the Canadian District of the Moravian
Church in America, be now called for second reading, and that the
House do proceed to dispose of the bill at all stages, including
committee of the whole.
The members of the Moravian Church have waited a long time for
parliament to deal with this simple request. It is a pleasure for
me to be here to see it happen today. Thank you for the
co-operation of all the people involved.
The Deputy Speaker: Does the hon. member have the
unanimous consent of the House to move the motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
The Deputy Speaker: The House has heard the terms of the
motion. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
(Motion agreed to)
Mr. Mark Muise (West Nova, PC): Mr. Speaker, I welcome the
opportunity to rise in the House to debate the Reform motion
calling on the federal government to provide Canadians with the
necessary means to develop a first rate transportation system.
However I question the need for an integrated transportation
system, considering the tremendous increases in gas prices we
have been experiencing lately and I feel that if this continues,
the majority of Canadians will have to stay at home.
Already we have witnessed the serious plight of our truck
drivers who are struggling to survive in the face of these rising
costs.
The Deputy Speaker: Order, please. We are not on
transport. We are talking about the bill on the Moravian Church.
I wondered whether the hon. member was coming to the point but
perhaps he thinks we are on a different debate.
Mr. Mark Muise: Mr. Speaker, yes I thought we were
debating something else.
The Deputy Speaker: We are on the motion for second
reading of Bill S-14.
1950
Is the House ready for the question?
Some hon. members: Question.
The Deputy Speaker: Is it the pleasure of the House to
adopt the motion?
Some hon. members: Agreed.
(Motion agreed to, bill read the second time, considered in
committee, reported, concurred in, read the third time and
passed)
GOVERNMENT ORDERS
[English]
SUPPLY
ALLOTTED DAY—TRANSPORTATION
The House resumed consideration of the motion.
The Deputy Speaker: Pursuant to order made earlier this
day, the House shall now resume debate on the supply motion of
the member for South Surrey—White Rock—Langley. When the House
broke for the divisions, the hon. member for
Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre had the floor and he has 16 minutes
remaining in the time allotted for his remarks.
Mr. John Solomon (Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre, NDP): Mr.
Speaker, I am happy to continue my remarks on this very important
motion which condemns the Liberal government for its terrible
transportation policies. I want to provide evidence to the effect
that my statement is well supported by facts in the country.
Transportation infrastructure is vital to Canada's future
economic development. We need an efficient, high quality and
safe network of highways, railways, ports and airports to move
Canadians and the goods we produce.
Our transportation infrastructure is degrading rapidly under the
Liberal government. The problem is that the Liberal government
lacks the vision and will to plan and develop a transportation
infrastructure for this century.
In my view the Reform Party tends to be hypocritical in
criticizing the Liberal government's mismanagement of
transportation policy since the Reform Party has supported most
of the Liberal government initiatives to deregulate and privatize
our transportation infrastructure. Now that we are beginning to
feel the disastrous effects of these policies, the Reform Party
is flip-flopping. It is saying that it is not true, it did it
once but it is okay now.
I contend that only the NDP has consistently fought for an
efficient and safe transportation infrastructure to promote jobs
and economic development for Canadians.
I want to talk about three important issues of transportation.
The first one relates to the failure of the Liberal government to
provide an adequate highway system for our country.
Our highways are in rapid decline, particularly in western
Canada where the government has eliminated railway transportation
subsidies for western grain farmers. We are the only country in
the 28 countries in the OECD which does not have a national
transportation policy and a national program to support our
highways.
What has happened in the degradation of the highways
particularly in western Canada where I am from, is that the
government has taken away the subsidies for grain from the
railroads and the farmers. We are the only country in the world
to do that.
The European countries provide about 56 cents on the dollar to
farmers in terms of their agriculture subsidies. The United
States provides about 36 to 37 cents on the dollar in subsidies.
We provide our farmers in western Canada about six cents on the
dollar. We have the farthest distance to travel to haul our
products from the farm to the port and we are the only country
that does not have a decent aid program for our farmers.
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Since the subsidies were taken away, there has been more
pressure on the highway system in western Canada because it has
now become more efficient in many ways to transport grain and
other agricultural crops by truck. The highways and byways of
Saskatchewan, Manitoba and parts of Alberta were never built for
the huge grain trucks that are now travelling on them. The
highways and the road system are being destroyed.
The rail system would be the most efficient way to transport
these goods but it is now being saved for other reasons. It is
being abandoned in many ways by the Liberal policies that
recommend, encourage and advocate that CNR and CPR abandon the
rail lines. There is a very severe attack of heavy equipment on
the roads.
We go to the next phase. The highways are falling apart because
they have not been built for the heavy vehicles and what does the
Government of Canada do? It charges excise taxes on diesel fuel
and gasoline which brings in about $5 billion a year. What does
it put back into the highways that it has been very instrumental
in destroying?
From the money it is taking out of Saskatchewan and the rest of
the country, $5 billion a year approximately, what is it putting
back into Saskatchewan? Let me put it this way. If we were to
stop on a dime on a Saskatchewan highway, we can bet that dime
was not a federal dime because not one dime is spent on highways
in Saskatchewan. The government takes $200 million out in fuel
taxes alone but not one dime goes back to the highway system in
the province of Saskatchewan.
The Liberals do not know this but Saskatchewan has more miles of
roads than any other province in Canada. Saskatchewan has one
million people yet it has more miles of roads than Ontario which
has 11 million people.
What did the federal government do in terms of helping our
farmers? It took away their transportation subsidies. It forced
the farmers to use the roads and therefore to weaken the roads
with heavy duty trucks. What does it put back to support the
transportation system? Zero. Nada. Nothing. Zippo. It is a
shame.
Farmers in that province look at this. Members of the Reform
Party sit there cheering the Liberals on saying no more money for
the highway system in Saskatchewan or Manitoba because they do
not believe in those kinds of what they call subsidies. We feel
it is an investment in the economy of western Canada.
The Liberal government is responsible for interprovincial
highways. It needs to work in partnership with the provinces to
re-establish a national highways program and to rebuild and
maintain these crucial links.
The government's neglect of the highways has caused a
proliferation of private toll roads in some provinces. Toll roads
are a deterrent to trade and economic development. They also
burden the taxpayers because the tolls are passed on to the
taxpayers whether they use the roads or not.
Bad roads cost lives. I am not sure if the member for Thunder
Bay—Atikokan has driven through Ontario on Highway 17 from
Ottawa to North Way to Sudbury to Sault Ste. Marie and over to
Wawa, Thunder Bay and Kenora. It is part of the Trans-Canada
Highway, the number one highway in the country and I am ashamed
to travel on it. The Trans-Canada Highway across northern
Ontario is a death trap, not to mention a speed trap. It has to
be maintained and improved.
I would like to see the Liberal government put its money where
its mouth is and unite our country from coast to coast by
building a capable, first class 21st century highway linking the
east and west coasts. That would be similar to the big project
of Sir John A. Macdonald when he united the country with the
railroads. But instead the government starves the provinces in
terms of providing any kind of highway subsidies.
The government has totally decimated the rail system. It talks
about giving a few subsidies for the railways. If the Liberals
had sunk some money into passenger rail service and provided
access for Canadians to travel the passenger trains in a
reasonable and efficient manner, that would not be so bad.
What have they done? They have continued to reduce subsidies to
railroads.
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As a matter of fact, in the city I come from, Regina, we cannot
travel by passenger out of Regina. If Regina was a small
community like La Ronge, Preeceville or Sturgis that is one
thing, but Regina is the capital city of the province. We have
the mainline CPR track running through there but we cannot ride
the trains unless we hop a freight, which is illegal and
dangerous. I can tell members that it is dangerous because I
used to be a railway brakeman for the CNR in one of my previous
movies, in one of my previous lives. It was a great job. I
loved the railway dearly.
It hurts me and it breaks my heart when I see the Liberal
government continuing to abandon the railroads and maintaining an
infrastructure which could be very important and helpful in
offsetting some of these higher energy costs. We are now faced
with record energy costs in the country. Gas prices right now in
some places in northern Ontario are 80.9 cents a litre. In
Saskatchewan it is 74.9 cents. Oil only hit a record of about
$34 a barrel. Now it is down to $28 or $29 a barrel.
In 1991, when the Iraq crisis happened, the price of gasoline was
not 80 cents or 74.9 cents or 62 cents. The record price in 1991
was 61.9 cents. We have only had a 1 cent or 2 cent tax increase
since that time. We have the oil companies gouging consumers and
the economy with the full support of the Liberals opposite.
I would like the Liberals to undertake to have an energy
summit. They do not want a summit because they would actually
have to come up with some solutions. Liberals do not want to
talk about solutions, they just want to talk.
I happen to have a copy of a letter that I wrote to the Prime
Minister. I called on the Prime Minister to put together and
chair an energy summit to include the provinces and the major
stakeholders in the oil business, particularly the refineries, to
come up with some kind of action plan to defend
our economy from the OPEC oil cartel. I sent this letter on
March 8, and I will quote from it. It says:
I am writing to request that you and your government take
immediate action to protect Canadian consumers from the OPEC oil
cartel. Rising oil prices are having a serious impact on the
lives of all Canadians and threaten to endanger the gains
Canadians have made in our economy.
Gas prices are at record levels. According to Stats Canada,
domestic oil companies are holding back on production in spite of
record fuel prices. In fact, excluding taxes, gas prices are
lower in the U.S. than in Canada.
It has always been maintained by the oil companies that the
prices were the same but, in fact, CBC Marketplace found in
November that the price of gasoline in Atlanta, Georgia was 18.4
cents a litre. When we take out all the taxes, 18.4 cents
Canadian a litre versus the best price in Canada, which is in
Calgary at 33.3 cents, it is almost 12 cents a litre or
two-thirds less expensive in the Unites States than it is in
Canada. Although the oil companies and the government maintain
that our prices are the same as the U.S., when we cross out the
taxes and the exchange that is not the truth.
I went on to say:
Confronted with these realities, the U.S. government has taken
action to protect and defend its economy and U.S. consumers from
the OPEC oil cartel by adopting a 17 point plan.
Sir, Canada needs a Canadian action plan to defend the Canadian
economy and Canadian consumers. I urge you to consider
developing such a plan to include at least some of the following
actions:
1. Call the provinces and the major oil companies and other
stakeholders together as soon as possible for an energy summit to
develop such a strategy.
2. Have your officials examine the taxes on fuel, in particular
the GST, to suspend the GST until the prices are more affordable.
3. Introduce an emergency fund for low income families to ensure
that they have affordable home heating fuel to heat their homes.
4. Consider low interest loans to businesses, such as trucking
companies that are especially hard hit by these rising prices and
many are now going bankrupt.
I continued on by asking him to examine the regulation of the
pricing of fuel costs in this country. Regulation is not a dirty
word. The government is obligated in times of tough economy and
in times of these kinds of things happening to look at these
kinds of actions and these kinds of consequences and responses to
potentially and irresponsibly position the marketplace.
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I think it is very important that we look at this particular
aspect of energy prices. We are not talking about chocolate bars
here. If the price of chocolate bars goes up we can buy another
chocolate bar or we can choose another dessert. We can buy a
piece of pie, a piece of cake, some ice cream or we can choose
not to have dessert at all.
However, energy is the linchpin of our economy. Energy impacts
on everything we do in this country, whether we transport goods,
go to work, come from work, purchase goods that have been
transported or heat our buildings and our homes. Energy is the
key underpinning of our economy.
That is why I and the NDP are asking for this action. It is not
about chocolate bars or other things like that.
I have also asked that any national strategy must, by necessity,
include a conservation component. Why can we not have a
conservation program in this country that is supported by the
government, that is facilitated by the government and that allows
Canadians to participate in it so they do not have to continue
paying high prices.
Finally, I suggest another option the Prime Minister might have
is to review the relevance of the Competition Act. I think the
Competition Act has to be toughened if we are going to allow
competition.
The reason I sent this letter is not because I think it is
something I should do, which I do, but because the president of
the the United States of America, the land of capitalism, the
birthplace of free enterprise, has undertaken to implement a 17
point program to defend his country from the OPEC cartel. It may
not be the greatest plan but at least he has taken some action.
The United States, the great land of free enterprise and
capitalism, also has the toughest competition laws in the world
which forces competition in the economy.
With the competition laws in Canada, we just bend over or get on
our knees and that is all we do. We do not worry about ripping
people off. I think governments, politicians and
parliamentarians must take a role in ensuring that our consumers
and our business communities are treated fairly.
I am a former business person. I have been in business for many
years in different businesses. I believe that profit is very
important. However, there is a fairness in terms of profit
making and in terms of the bottom line. With respect to energy,
we have to make sure that we have an energy program, an energy
policy that makes our economy work well and that helps our
consumers to feel like they are part of a country that has a
government that is concerned about their needs and their lives.
That is why I did this.
I raised a question with the Prime Minister in the House of
Commons today to find out what the status was of the action plan.
He had his Minister of Natural Resources give a nice flowery
quote praising me, the member for Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre,
in the Leader Post for all the great work that I was doing
on this issue. I was hoping that he would have another answer
which would say, “yes, we are going to do a little more than
just conduct a study for six, seven or eight months”.
The NDP is very concerned about these issues: rail, energy and
highways. We are also very concerned about the marine issue and
what is happening at the ports. The government seems to be
abandoning the port of Halifax in many ways. We are also very
concerned about the air transportation situation and the
deregulation of that industry.
Ms. Val Meredith (South Surrey—White Rock—Langley,
Ref.): Mr. Speaker, I listened with interest to the hon.
member for Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre blaming the government,
which I do not disagree with, for trying to put off the reason
for the high fuel taxes and the high cost of transportation, but
I take exception to him saying that the Reform Party was equally
responsible.
I would like to ask the hon. member for Regina—Lumsden—Lake
Centre why the Saskatchewan NDP government charges the highest
fuel taxes for rail than any other province, and not only the
fuel tax, but it charges the highest property tax for the rail
companies than any other province in the country. All of these
costs add up to higher transportation costs for the farmers and
any other companies that use rail to distribute their products.
Does the hon. member agree with the province of Saskatchewan's
high tax policy on the rail industry?
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Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, the hon. member for the
Reform Party does raise a very important issue regarding fuel
taxes in Saskatchewan.
I can say that the Saskatchewan NDP government spends 85% of the
taxes it collects in the province on fuel and transportation. If
I compare that to Canada where $5 billion is raised by the
federal government in excise tax and GST on fuel, does it spend
85% on transportation? It spends 4% not 85%. The NDP in
Saskatchewan is doing a very fine job.
The Reform member who asked this question should have been at
the Saskatchewan Association of Rural Municipalities convention
where I was two weeks ago. It is not the province of
Saskatchewan that charges these taxes on the railroads, it is the
rural municipalities through which the railroads travel. They
use that revenue to build and maintain some of the thousands and
thousands of miles of roads.
If we also took the rail taxes that we charge the railroads, one
would see that Saskatchewan spends more than 85% of its tax
revenue on repairing, maintaining and building infrastructure in
the province.
I am very pleased that the member asked me her question. I
would hope that we would have some more wonderful questions like
that from the Reform Party.
Mr. Rick Casson (Lethbridge, Ref.): Mr. Speaker, the
member has made quite a point in the last little while about
asking questions and holding the government to task about the
high price of fuel in this country and what the government is
going to do about it.
The government does collect $4.5 billion in fuel tax and have
put back a measly $150 million into the roads. I agree with the
member on that.
I also want to get into the realm of environment. It has been
suggested by some that in order to meet our Kyoto commitments,
which the government agreed to a year or two ago, that we would
need to have a carbon tax, a green tax or some kind of tax on the
price of gas at the pumps in order to change the habits of people
so they would use less.
Would the member explain his party's position. Does his party
support meeting the Kyoto protocol? If so, how does it plan to
do it? Is a carbon tax at the pumps one of the suggestions that
his party is backing?
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, I thank the hon. member
for that question. It does underline the importance of my letter
to the Prime Minister in which I asked him to call for an energy
summit and look at a number of options that he might have. One
of them was conservation.
My party is the only party in the House of Commons that has been
supporting and asking the government to develop a comprehensive
energy conservation program for Canadians. We believe that the
government should be providing leadership in this regard.
The Kyoto protocol, which is not particularly related to this
matter of transportation infrastructure that we are talking about
today, is not something that I am totally familiar with. I have
not read it from cover to cover but I am familiar with it in
general terms. However, I think all Canadians would stand by the
objective of making sure that we preserve this planet for our
children, our grandchildren and those who follow us.
The environment is a very important element in this world. If
we do not have clean air, fresh water and soil that can grow
crops we are all dead. We really are custodians of this planet
for future generations. I would even suggest that the Reform
Party supports that. I would be surprised if they did not. I
think the Liberals and the Reform members talk about it but there
is really no action.
In Saskatchewan, where I am a little more familiar with the
environment, we have undertaken a number of initiatives which
protect and enhance our environment. I would ask the Liberal
government and the Reform Party to look at some of those
initiatives. I know the Reform Party has looked at a lot of the
initiatives of the Roy Romanow NDP government and the Allan
Blakeney government before. In Saskatchewan the NDP and the CCF
have governed for 37 of the last 55 years. Out of 37 years we
have had 35 surplus budgets.
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The only time the Reform supporters were in power, the Devine
Reform-Liberal coalition ran 10 consecutive deficits. For a
million people it put the province about $12 billion to $13
billion in the red in 10 years. It is unfortunate that the
Reform policies of Mr. Devine will mean that Saskatchewan
residents will be paying this mortgage for the next 60 years,
whereas before we had no operations debt, none. We had no deficit
and no debt either.
The member raises some good questions and I thank him for that.
I would ask him to study perhaps again some of the very positive
things that the NDP and CCF have undertaken in Saskatchewan so we
can benefit our entire country more.
Mr. Grant McNally (Dewdney—Alouette, Ref.): Mr.
Speaker, the member from Regina mentioned we had looked at some
of the NDP policies in the past, and we certainly did, and then
put them right back down again and proceeded on a very different
course.
I would like to go back to an earlier question that was asked
and not answered by the member from the NDP. I think we could
throw a t in there for tax party as well. The provincial
government of British Columbia idea of solving transportation
problems was to blow half a billion dollars on some ferries that
it is now trying to sell for about $10 million or $20 million
each.
Going back to the solution he was offering, he mentioned that
the provincial government in Saskatchewan was putting 85% of
taxes back into transportation, but he did not answer the
question from my colleague from South Surrey as to whether or not
he agreed that the level of taxation the provincial government
was wringing out of people in Saskatchewan through taxation on
fuel was a good or bad policy. I would like him to answer that
question.
Mr. John Solomon: Mr. Speaker, I thank the member for
that question as well. The fuel taxes in Saskatchewan on diesel
fuel and gasoline are not the highest in the country. The hon.
member from Calgary should know that Newfoundland, Prince Edward
Island, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Quebec have higher taxes
than Saskatchewan. Ontario and British Columbia have the same
taxes. Alberta's tax is six cents a litre less because it
charges nine cents per litre provincial tax on fuel whereas
Saskatchewan charges 15 cents. There is a six cent difference.
B.C. is about the same.
With respect to the British Columbia question, if the member
looked at the cost of research and development into something
like the fast ferry, it was probably a very high amount to spend.
I do not know exactly what went wrong, whether the design was
inappropriate, but I think he will remember that Premier Ujjal
Dosanjh indicated that it was a mistake and apologized. That is
all I really know about it. I know that in Saskatchewan we have
never had any fast ferries or slow ferries. We have some ferries
across the river here and there.
If we had a committed Liberal government that would commit some
resources to developing a policy, whether it be with respect to
the marine issue or air or rail or highways, Canadians would be
happy because they would have some leadership from this
government.
We are looking forward to having some leadership from the
government on these issues. It keeps passing the buck. It keeps
passing the buck on energy costs. It keeps passing the buck on
highways. It should rename the party to passing the buck party
because it does not seem to have any particular leadership on the
issues I have mentioned.
Mr. Mark Muise (West Nova, PC): Mr. Speaker, as I started
to say a bit earlier, I certainly welcome the opportunity to rise
in the House to speak on the Reform motion calling for the
federal government to provide Canadians with the necessary means
to develop a first rate transportation system in the country.
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However, I question the need for an integrated transportation
system considering the tremendous increase in gas prices we have
experienced in the last little while. If it continues no one
will be able to go out. They will have to stay home and we might
not need a transportation system.
On a more serious note, we have witnessed the plight of truck
drivers who are basically struggling to survive in the face of
rising costs. Most Canadians sense the urgency in the truckers'
message as they watched the steady stream of truckers protesting
across the country. These hard working Canadians are desperately
trying to raise public awareness to the serious problems facing
their industry. I think most Canadians now understand the
situation.
Perhaps the only Canadians who were not moved by this public
display are the members of the Liberal government who continue to
turn a blind eye to their problems by refusing to provide them
with any kind of tax relief.
In 1995 the minister of finance introduced a one and a half cent
per litre tax on gasoline as a deficit reduction measure. The
deficit, as we all know, is gone, thanks in large part to the GST
and free trade, which by the way the government had promised to
eliminate. The question remains. Why will the government not
give our truckers a break and remove this unnecessary tax?
Trucking in Canada is a $30 billion industry that is
characterized by many small family owned operations across the
country. The trucking industry employs 400,000 people, 225,000
of whom are truck drivers, making it the top occupation in Canada
according to the 1996 census. Our trucking industry can no
longer afford to have the government ignore its serious problems.
It needs action and it is needed now.
No one has to tell our truckers about the need for very
significant improvements to our national highway system. With
90% of Canadian consumer goods being transported by truck, our
truck drivers have seen for themselves the result of the
government's total lack of commitment toward improving or even
maintaining our national highway system.
Every day $1.5 billion in goods go back and forth between Canada
and the U.S., 70% of which is transported by truck. Yet look at
the state of our highways. Our largest trading partner, the
U.S., has recognized the importance of highways. That government
has made a commitment to the highway system. In 1998 the U.S.
signed into law the transportation equity act for the 21st
century. The act is a firm commitment to improving the nation's
highway system.
It is estimated to be worth some $218 billion. That is $218
billion over six years authorizing highway safety, transit and
other surface transportation programs. Even the federal Liberal
representatives from Atlantic Canada recognize the failure of
their own government to maintain an adequate transportation
infrastructure system. In their reported entitled “Catching
Tomorrow's Wave”, they said:
Our basic transportation infrastructure needs improvement. This
is an issue that must be addressed. Transportation
infrastructure is inextricably bound up with the economic
development of our region...To transport goods throughout the
region, and to provide tourists with quality highways that will
encourage travel to small communities, we must have a better road
system than now exists.
Some 38% of our national highway system is considered
substandard. Poor roads increase gas consumption, damage to
vehicles and, even more serious, cause deadly accidents. We need
only look at Highway 101 in Nova Scotia as a prime example. Since
1993, 50 people have been killed and countless others injured in
motor vehicle accidents, and still the federal government fails
to act. We are the only industrialized country at present
without a national highways policy.
Why has the government not sat down with the provinces to
negotiate such a program? What does it take to get the
government to respond to the very serious crises such as we have
had on Highway 101? How many more Nova Scotians must we lose to
accidents before the Liberal government deems it sufficient and
finally takes measures to improve this treacherous stretch of
highway?
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After all, it did not take the government years to construct a
new road to the Prime Minister's cottage in Grand-Mère. It was
so anxious it did not even take the time to put it to tender,
opting instead to give it to one of the Prime Minister's friends.
[Translation]
We do not want to wait any longer for the government to decide
that highway 101 in Nova Scotia is dangerous. Unfortunately,
statistics are here to prove it.
[English]
The country has more than 9,000 kilometres of public roads, yet
the recent budget only provides $2.65 billion for our entire
infrastructure program over four years.
The Commons transportation committee suggested that restoring
Canada's highway system would cost at least $18 billion which
would be funded at a rate of $1.2 billion over 15 years.
According to the finance minister's budget the Liberal government
is only prepared to fund $150 million per year in his six year
projection for highways commencing in three years. This falls
far short in its attempt to address Canada's crumbling highway
system.
[Translation]
Over the past 10 years, the Department of Transport has
collected over $38 billion in fuel tax. Currently, it has a
surplus exceeding $3 billion.
[English]
The federal government collects $4 billion in fuel tax a year.
As my colleague said earlier, only 4% of that is actually
returned to the highways. If a higher percentage of fuel taxes
were returned to the highways, for example 15%, and this were
matched by the province, it would create a substantial amount of
financial support for our highways.
[Translation]
I suggest the government should consider following the advice of
my colleague from Cumberland—Colchester and work together with
the provinces in order to invest maybe 15% of the fuel tax to
upgrade the road system in Canada.
[English]
There is no question that Highway 101 needs to be twinned and no
doubt that the section between Digby and Weymouth should be
completed as soon as possible. The province of Nova Scotia
cannot go it alone. It needs the federal government to enter
into a partnership so that the citizens using this highway can do
it in relative security.
Transportation affects every aspect of our lives. It is an
integral necessity in every industry and business across the
country, yet the government does not seem to be aware of it. The
motion before us is a simple and straightforward request for
leadership, a normal quality in a government or one that we would
expect; co-operation with other levels of government and local
transportation authorities; a long term vision and plan for our
infrastructure system; and a commitment to realistic funding. In
many areas the government has lacked direction and leadership.
The government had better get involved in helping the
shipbuilding industry, especially in Atlantic Canada, which has a
long history of building quality vessels. It has the manpower,
the knowledge and the ability to build world-class vessels far
superior to any others because of the heavy seas we experience in
Atlantic Canada. These ships can literally go anywhere, are very
strong and last a long time. The government had better get
involved in our shipbuilding industry or the expertise we worked
long and hard to develop will soon be gone forever.
[Translation]
Shipbuilding is one of Canada's long-standing industries. For
instance, in my riding, A.F. Thériault Shipbuilding Limited has
been building boats for over 50 years. It is highly respected
for the quality of its products. One of the reasons for its
success is the skill of its workers. Several of them have been
working in this shipyard for over 20 years. They have developed
a level of expertise one cannot achieve in school.
[English]
Our passenger rail service is another prime example of the
government failing to have a vision for the future. What is the
future for VIA Rail? Does anyone know?. Does the government
intend to keep throwing money at it? Does it intend to privatize
it? Has it thought about it?
What about the Canadian National-Burlington Northern-Santa Fe
Corporation merger proposal? Has it explained its official
position on this issue which has the potential to completely
alter the North American rail industry? The United States
Surface Board has already held its hearings and released a
decision. It realized the magnitude of this proposal and needs
additional time to look at the current rail merger rules to
ensure they reflect the desired future of the rail industry.
Yet our government holds fast to the motto “Let us wait and
see”.
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What about the airline crisis of last August? The government
was fully aware of the difficulties facing the airline industry
and refused to take action until there was apparently an
extraordinary disruption to effective and continued operation of
the national transportation system.
The indecision of the government about the type of role it would
play in finding a solution to the airline situation did nothing
to help any of the parties involved. Suddenly the Competition
Act was suspended and the government adopted a wait and see
policy.
Obviously the government does not see transportation as a
priority. When will the government accept the responsibility of
leadership? The government needs to work in conjunction with
other governments to develop viable plans to strengthen all
aspects of our transportation infrastructure. We need
commitment, we need funding and we need action. We realize that
it cannot be done all at once, but we ask the government to do
something now while we still have an infrastructure program and a
transportation system to salvage.
Mr. Stan Dromisky (Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of
Transport, Lib.): Madam Speaker, it is interesting to listen
to opposition members tonight and hear presentation after
presentation regarding their Christmas wish list, not taking into
consideration where this country was a very, very short time ago,
when we were heavily in debt and the economy was in a mess. We
came from the status of a third world country to the wonderful
position we are in at the present time.
Yes, we do have a surplus, but we have hundreds and hundreds of
organizations, groups and lobbyists and a great number of other
needs which have been identified for that money.
Yes, there are a great number of problems in the transportation
system because of management processes, the way in which policies
have evolved and what has happened in the past 50, 60, 70, 80,
100 years. There is no doubt about it. However, this is the
first time in the history of this country that we have had such
an open, transparent process in getting lobbyists and all other
partners involved; anyone, we might say, who is a partner in the
process. Anyone who has some concern related to any aspect of
transportation is able to contribute in some way toward the
development of a transportation policy.
It is essential that the country continue on this path to
develop the vision which the hon. member says we lack. However,
we are not dictators. A dictator could come up very, very
quickly with a vision; in fact in five minutes. A very true
democratic process takes a very long time because we have to get
the people of the country involved in identifying the problems,
the process for solving the problems and so forth, and not the
kind of declarations that we are hearing from a representative of
a previous government which helped to create the horrible mess
this government inherited.
Mr. Mark Muise: Madam Speaker, I am very happy to rise in
response to my hon. colleague's comments.
I recognize and I think all Canadians recognize that there had
to be some belt tightening and we had to get rid of the deficit.
However, I heard the finance minister, in this year and in the
year previous, brag that finally we had a zero deficit.
It does not take a rocket scientist—maybe it does if it is a
Liberal member of parliament—to understand that the
transportation system is one of the most vital systems in this
country. It is what makes our economy work.
We can pay taxes in many ways. We can let the system fall to
the point where we are saving today, but it will cost three times
the amount of money to put it back to where it should have been
had we been putting the money in to keep it where it should have
been. It has been falling and falling. We pay taxes on the one
hand, then we drive on roads that wreck our vehicles, and then we
spend money to repair them and we get taxed again.
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The money should be spent on the system so that our goods can
get to market. That is what drives our economy. I cannot for
the life of me understand why the government cannot see that as a
priority. It is one of the main engines which drives our
economy.
The hon. member said it. We have to consult. The government
can consult until the cows come home. It is obvious to everyone
that this infrastructure program needs to be put in place. It
needs to be put together, maintained and improved. I do not
understand where the member is coming from with his comments.
Mr. Stan Dromisky: Madam Speaker, I would like to point out to
the hon. member that the highway system in his province is within
the jurisdiction of the provincial government. The hon. member
is quite aware of that fact.
The provinces are all operating at their own pace, within their
own guidelines and their own agendas. We have now, for the first
time, brought together all partners. Some we had to drag to the
table. Pressure from a great number of ministers brought all of
the premiers and the ministers of transportation together to
start working on a national highway policy.
As a 50-50 partner, we are hoping to be able to come forth with
a very substantial, sustainable, effective and not too
costly—although it is costly—infrastructure system for
transportation, especially for highways.
Mr. Mark Muise: Madam Speaker, I think all of us in the
House recognize the fact that the highway system is the
responsibility of the provinces. However, let us face facts. The
Liberal government has cut over the past seven years funding for
health care and education and has downloaded the cost to the
provincial governments to the point where they cannot function
any more. The hon. member has the gall to stand in his place and
say it is the provinces which neglected the highway system. The
provinces neglected the highway system because the government
cut, slashed and burned. It left the provinces high and dry.
Provinces such as Nova Scotia are in hard financial times. Our
provincial finance minister is telling us this every day. We are
anticipating a budget, which should come down very soon, but I do
not particularly look forward to it.
It is partly the responsibility of the federal government, which
has slashed at every opportunity, without care for our young
people in schools who are the future of our country. The
government has not thought about the elderly, the people which
made this country great. The government has not thought about
the sick. Government members ignore our future and turn their
backs on those who made this country great.
Mr. Dale Johnston (Wetaskiwin, Ref.): Madam Speaker, I
will be sharing my time with my colleague from Lethbridge.
It is a pleasure to rise to debate the motion put forward by my
colleague from South Surrey—White Rock—Langley on
transportation.
I have been listening to the debate with great interest and we
have heard all sorts of angles on this issue. It occurs to me
that there is one area on which the Liberals have a corner and
that would be taxation. Their overriding philosophy seems to be
that if it moves we should tax it and if it does not move we
should tax it anyway.
In 1941 the federal minister of finance, who at the time was a
Liberal, discovered a new method of taxation. He decided to tax
gasoline. That gasoline tax remained in effect until 1948, but
it was John Turner who resurrected the gas tax in the 1970s.
Since then successive Liberal and Tory governments have relied on
this lucrative method of raising money to fund their insatiable
spending habits.
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As the number of motorists increased, the government coffers
swelled, and the more wear and tear there was on Canada's highway
infrastructure, the more the highways deteriorated. Canada used
to be very proud of the Trans-Canada Highway, but those days are
gone, along with the 1948 excise gas tax reprieve.
Canada is the only developed country without a national highways
program or even a coherent national highways policy. What is the
reason for that? It is simply neglect.
In this competitive global economy a well maintained network of
highways stretching from coast to coast to coast is absolutely
essential, especially in a country the size of Canada. It is our
economic lifeline, but the government is content to pay it only
lip service, and sometimes not even that.
In 1992 a federal-provincial study identified 25,400 kilometres,
including the Trans-Canada Highway and a few major cross-border
arteries, as the national highway system. At least it was
identified, but nothing has been done in the interim. As a
matter of fact, it seems as though it has been completely
forgotten. There is no administrative framework and no federal
funding for maintaining or upgrading any of the identified
system.
Every year the federal government collects about $5 billion in
fuel excise taxes, including $4.3 billion specifically from
highways. Then it disappears into that abyss known as general
revenue. I am quite sure that a good amount of it finds its way
into grants and contributions as well.
This year the federal budget allocated $150 million to highways.
That is something, but it is only a drop in the bucket,
especially when we consider that the Liberals have been trying to
explain the $1 billion mishandling of HRDC funds as no big deal.
It is only $1 billion.
A recent poll commissioned by the Council of Ministers
Responsible for Transportation and Highway Safety showed that the
cost of bringing the national highway system up to standard
increased from $12 billion in 1998 to $17.2 billion in 1999.
Those are the last years for which we have figures. If the
finance minister still has doubts over why his budget does not
meet with widespread accolades, he need not look any further than
there. Maybe he should take a long drive. I bet the Prime
Minister would give him the time off.
In June 1999 a national poll conducted by the Canadian
Automobile Association showed that 78% of CAA members wanted the
federal government to allocate funding for roads despite the many
other social needs facing Canadians. In 1998 87% of respondents
said it was important for the Canadian economy to have a national
highway system well paved and free of congestion. Eighty-five
per cent of CAA members said that the federal government should
play a role in funding our national roadways. This level of
support translates into almost 3.3 million CAA members calling on
the federal government to address these key routes.
What is the price for government inaction? Canadians pay the
price of the government's neglect. Structural deficiencies have
resulted in hundreds of deaths and thousands of people being
injured. If this were not enough, thanks to the deplorable state
of our roads, millions of hours have been lost due to traffic
congestion, millions of dollars have been lost in extra fuel
consumption, and tonnes of additional pollutants have been
needlessly pumped into the atmosphere.
This all contributes to lost productivity and lost trade
opportunities. It does nothing to advance the cause of job
creation. It deters tourists from other countries from visiting
here. It encourages Canadians to holiday elsewhere. If we
picked up any newspaper from any part of this country we would
find articles about the need for new and expanded highways.
In Nova Scotia a woman who had been seriously injured in a car
accident held a vigil by the side of Highway 101 in her
wheelchair to draw attention to the need to twin that particular
busy roadway.
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Closer to my home, the mayor of Edmonton, Bill Smith, came to
Ottawa in February with mayors from 21 of the country's major
cities to plead for cash for roads. It was not for the streets
in their cities but for interprovincial highways. All their
lobbying efforts netted was $150 million. That will have to be
split between the 10 provinces and the three territories. I do
not think that will go very far.
My colleague the hon. member for Cypress Hills—Grasslands has
championed this cause of dedicating gas tax revenues to a
national highway system. His private member's motion debated in
the House on November 19, 1999 sought to divert one-fifth of
federal excise fuel tax to the national highway system, some 20%.
I do not think that is asking very much. It is a very reasonable
request.
At the very least had his motion passed, we would have been able
to repair the worst parts of the system before it deteriorated
beyond the point of no return. As the member for Cypress
Hills—Grasslands stated, if we do nothing and total replacement
becomes necessary, tens of billions of dollars will have to be
found somewhere or we will all have to revert to Red River carts.
Perhaps my colleague has hit on one of the new government
strategies. Perhaps if we all had to go to Red River carts it
would cut down on the Kyoto emissions. There might be some
increase in methane gas, but it would certainly cut down on
carbon dioxide. How else can the Liberal lack of attention be
explained on this important transportation link?
The notion of dedicating some portion of federal gasoline and
diesel fuel taxes to be spent on construction and renovation of
highway infrastructure is not just a Reform idea. When the
Standing Committee on Transport travelled across the country as
part of its study of highway renewal—notice that it has already
been studied—witness after witness supported the concept which
has been Reform Party policy for some time.
Millions of dollars are spent each year to obtain public input.
These exercises in democracy are merely make work projects for
the government backbenchers. It seems that if they have too much
time on their hands and are hanging around town, they will figure
out ways to dump their leader.
In reality, the government rarely listens to anyone or anything
that does not happen to be a supporter or contributor to the
Liberal Party. The transport committee's majority report, “A
National Highway Renewal Strategy”, ignores the wishes and
advice of those close to the problem. It concluded the study by
indicating that the problem required further study, if you can
believe it, Madam Speaker. If that is not the standard Liberal
cop-out, I would like to know what is.
Three years later and the report is gathering dust on the
library shelves. The highways are continuing to disintegrate and
the Minister of Finance allocates just enough money to fill in
some of the potholes.
Enough time has been wasted on studies. Canada's highway system
is in tatters and it is time for the government to work with the
provinces, the municipalities and the private sector to plan,
implement and fund a national highway infrastructure program.
Ms. Val Meredith (South Surrey—White Rock—Langley,
Ref.): Madam Speaker, it was with great interest that I
listened to my hon. colleague from Wetaskiwin give us some of the
details of a national highway system.
What does the hon. member think about extending the national
highway system to include trade corridors to our southern
neighbours with whom we trade? I believe 80% of our trade goes
to the United States. Does he think the federal government
should extend a national highway program to consider some of the
trade corridors going north-south?
Mr. Dale Johnston: Madam Speaker, the national highway
infrastructure today is just as important as the national highway
system was when the country was being opened up.
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The highways are like the arteries of Canada. When we have such
a huge and diverse country we should designate the roads that are
needed as trade routes. However let us first of all get the
roads that are already designated as national highways up to
standard and perhaps we can look at more north-south routes later
on.
Mr. Rick Casson (Lethbridge, Ref.): Madam Speaker, I want
to thank my colleague from Wetaskiwin for sharing his time with
me. I compliment my colleague the member for South Surrey—White
Rock—Langley for bringing this issue forward today as a supply
motion from the official opposition.
When talking about transportation, we can talk about a lot of
things that affect just about everyone with whom we come into
contact on a daily basis. We can talk about rail line
abandonment. That is quite an issue in a lot of parts of the
country. I am sure my colleague from Cypress—Grasslands will
talk about that later. In my neck of the woods the rail line was
abandoned and now it is used for storage. It has caused quite a
lot of grief.
Railway efficiency is another issue that needs to be looked at.
It is a huge concern in Canada. We are still going through the
huge restructuring of the air industry. We have some pains there
that need to be looked at. There is an airport in my riding
which the municipality took over and now the government is going
to change the rules and there is fear of what that could do.
We need a continental road system as the member for Wetaskiwin
mentioned. We need to be able to trade east and west and north
and south in North America to get our products to market. We
need new and more efficient border points which are part of the
whole scheme of this continental system.
On the infrastructure program that has been talked about, the
last time that infrastructure program was implemented I was
involved in municipal politics. At that time there was a
struggle for municipalities to come up with the 30 cent dollars
that were worked out with the province and the federal government
in splitting it three ways. Now it is going to be even tougher
because some of the downloading that has happened in this country
has ended up at the municipal level. The municipalities are not
as well equipped to be involved on these programs as they were
last time.
I am sure environmental issues will be addressed when it comes
to transportation. Public transportation and urban rail
transportation are part of the environmental solution. New
technologies that are developing are part of the system that
needs to be looked at.
I would like to reserve my comments to an issue that has been on
the minds of Canadians this winter. It is the high price of
fuel.
For the last several months prices have soared by up to 25% per
litre in some regions. Consumers are concerned about how these
prices will increase their cost of living. Trucking associations
are concerned about how this will affect their ability to remain
in business. Economists are concerned about the consequences of
rising input costs on the entire Canadian economy.
In my own riding of Lethbridge prices have gone up anywhere from
20% to 25%. This has prompted a lot of letters, a lot of angry
phone calls and a lot of action on behalf of citizens demanding
some action and answers from the government. The spike in fuel
prices has hit truckers especially hard. In some areas of the
country the price of diesel fuel has surpassed the price of
regular gasoline. That is an extremely rare occurrence.
Fuel represents about one-third of a trucking company's costs
and is second only to labour. While some truckers are fortunate
enough to have fuel cost adjustment clauses in their contracts,
many truckers are forced to swallow that cost.
Several weeks ago Canadians woke up to the news that angry
truckers had blockaded highways and border crossings in an effort
to draw national attention to their plight. Truckers across the
continent vented their frustration by slowing down traffic in
major cities and organized protest rallies on Parliament Hill and
on Capitol Hill. In Ottawa a fleet of 200 trucks shut down
Wellington Street for hours demanding relief from the government.
The official opposition supports the trucking association in its
call for tax relief. It recognizes the importance of this $30
billion industry in Canada. Trucks move 70% of manufactured
goods in Canada and almost all of the food.
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As one trucker quite accurately said, the key chain controls the
food chain. Every single item on the grocery store shelf that is
shipped by truck could increase in price if relief is not found
soon.
Through its four cent per litre excise tax on road diesel and
the GST, the federal government sucked close to half a billion
dollars in fuel tax revenues directly out of the pockets of truck
drivers in 1998-99. Indirectly the government siphons out
billions more through income taxes and user fees. The provincial
governments also take their share of money out of truckers'
pockets by levying an additional per litre tax of at least nine
cents in addition to user fees. More regulation is not the
answer.
Lately the member for Ottawa Centre has fancied himself as
somewhat of an activist on gas prices and has proposed a return
to what could be easily called the national energy program, words
that send fear through western Canada. In the Ottawa Sun a
few weeks ago he proposed that all the greedy world oil producers
be completely shut out of Canadian markets to give consumers
relief from fluctuating gas prices. He said that since Canada
produces enough oil to be self-sustaining, the government should
turn on the switch and keep the oil in Canada. This is a kind of
made in Canada solution I suppose.
What the member has no doubt forgotten is that the national
energy program which was aimed at promoting energy
self-sufficiency increased Canadian control of the oil industry
and generated more federal revenues in the energy sector. This
ripped $60 billion out of the Alberta economy alone. That
economic program devastated Alberta more than any other
catastrophe could. Overnight the province shut down and it was
just like a steel wall was put up and the province was paralyzed.
Despite the tremendous gains that we have made in Alberta by
diversifying since those dark days of Pierre Trudeau, any attempt
to regulate will hit the resource sector hard. The government
would do well to remember this as it contemplates meeting its
Kyoto commitments.
While truckers have borne the brunt of this problem, no one has
escaped the sting of high gas prices. High diesel prices are a
concern for farmers who will be spending hundreds of dollars in
extra fuel costs to plant their crops this spring. Each year
farmers use millions of gallons of fuel to run their farm
equipment, work the soil, seed, raise the crops and then harvest
them, not to mention the spin-off onto the cost of fertilizer and
chemicals.
A report from Statistics Canada shows Canadian farmers in 1998
had net fuel expenses of $325,800,000, almost 6% of their total
operating expenses. With fuel costs up 33% since January in
Ontario, farmers are looking at a 10% reduction in net cash
income unless the government is willing to reduce its level of
taxation on fuels. Many farmers are afraid that the increase in
fuel costs will completely wipe out any assistance they may
receive from other areas.
High fuel prices have hit every sector of the economy. The leap
in fuel prices is the largest monthly jump since Statistics
Canada started collecting that information 50 years ago. It also
led to a spike in inflation which bumped the inflation rate up by
2.7%. That jump was the largest month to month increase in five
years. When that happens, as we know, it hurts everybody,
especially people who are on fixed incomes, single parents,
people who are earning minimum wage. Those are the people who
are hurt the hardest. They cannot afford this. Clearly the
government must do something to alleviate the pressure of high
fuel prices on the economy.
The official opposition believes that the government must
immediately reduce fuel taxes. Fuel taxes have increased by 600%
since 1985, jumping from 1.5 cents to 10 cents per litre.
The latest increase came in 1995 when the Liberal government was
still battling the Tory legacy of billion dollar deficits and the
current Minister of Finance introduced a 1.5 cent per litre
excise tax to reduce the federal deficit. According to the
Canadian Automobile Association, this tax has pumped over $500
million annually into the government's consolidated revenue fund.
There is no reason for this tax to still be in place. The
government is facing multibillion dollar surpluses which leave
ample room for tax relief.
Furthermore the government has collected even more tax revenue
as the price of gasoline increases. The GST, another deficit
fighting measure still in place, is applied to the total pump
price after provincial and federal taxes are included. This
compounds the problem. This is a tax on a tax and it is unfair
to consumers.
The official opposition has proposed a tax solution that would
further lighten the load of the taxpaying public. The 17%
solution would provide substantial immediate and direct relief to
overtaxed Canadians and would create greater wealth in our
economy.
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Reductions in corporate and small business taxes would go even
further to lighten the tax load for Canadian truckers and
farmers, but the government has chosen to ignore this option
preferring instead to study the matter a while longer. The
government has commissioned the Conference Board of Canada to
study gas prices. Why? How many more reports do we need? We
have had dozens of investigations into the gasoline retail
industry by the Competition Bureau and still we go on.
The government wants to do a study. We know the answer. Fuel
prices in the country are too high.
Mr. Lynn Myers (Waterloo—Wellington, Lib.): Madam
Speaker, it is a great opportunity for me to speak on behalf of
the residents and constituents of Waterloo—Wellington to this
very important issue.
I want to begin by pointing out that road collisions kill a lot
of Canadians in any given year. That is a real problem. There
were 3,000 last year alone. The cost of that is about $10
billion annually, which represents at least $30 million every
day. That becomes a real problem obviously in terms of what it
means not only from a financial point of view but also from the
tragic loss of life and family points of view as well.
In addition more than 200,000 people are injured in road
accidents every year. I can remember when I was chairman of the
Waterloo regional police. For 10 years I was involved with
police issues. It was a terrible tragedy when we had our traffic
people come in and tell us of accidents that had occurred. It
really was a problem. Certainly Canadians everywhere, wherever
they live in this great country of ours, know the tragic
circumstances that are part and parcel of that kind of a problem.
At the same time Canada can claim significant progress in road
safety especially over the last 25 years. Fatalities have been
cut in half while traffic has doubled. That is quite an
impressive trend. Our roads are clogged and getting worse often
as a result of overuse. Yet we see accidents and traffic
fatalities declining.
Road safety in Canada is very much a shared responsibility. Our
history of steady road safety progress attests to the high level
of commitment on the part of governments in co-operation
especially with governments and its partners, people in research,
vehicle manufacturers, regulators, police, public safety
organizations and individual Canadians.
It is my belief that the genesis of our progress is
co-operation. This partnership and this kind of approach are
embodied in an initiative known as Road Safety Vision 2001. This
is a nation-wide effort. The objective is for Canada to have the
safest roads in the world.
Although we have shown steady progress and achieved our vision
clearly we have to continue to work hard in this very important
area. Achieving the safest roads in the world is a complex and,
it could be argued, challenging task for us. Surely no Canadian
could disagree with the goal and the objective of this very
worthwhile endeavour. It is fair to say that it will take a
multi-pronged approach to realize our objective. The whole
notion of Road Safety Vision 2001 has four overall safety
priorities.
First, we must raise awareness of road safety issues. Second,
we must improve communication, co-ordination and collaboration
among agencies involved in road safety. Third, we need more
effective and efficient enforcement to deal with problem areas
such as non-use of seatbelts and impaired driving. I am very
pleased to report that I have worked many years on impaired
driving. I know it is a very important issue. A number of
people have lost young people as a result of that totally
unacceptable behaviour. Fourth, we must improve the collection
and quality of data to support and assess road safety program
efforts.
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While these four priorities can be expressed succinctly, it is a
more complex exercise to develop the supporting projects for such
an ambitious goal. For each priority a number of projects are
under way in each jurisdiction.
The first priority is to raise public awareness of specific road
safety issues. Over the years education programs and campaigns
have played an important role in helping the public develop safer
driving habits, in turn leading to decreased injuries and
fatalities for which we all hope and pray. Work is now under way
to support further initiatives on the national occupant restraint
program 2001.
We are focusing particularly on the safety of children in a
multifaceted campaign to increase the proper use of child
restraints. A video tape called “Car Time 1-2-3-4” uses four
stand alone segments to explain the four stages of child safety
in motor vehicles from rear facing infant seats to forward facing
child seats, booster seats and the use of regular seatbelts. It
is important that we develop this kind of educational program
especially for our young people to become used to it, to become
ingrained with it, and to become part and parcel of how best to
be protected. Their parents play an important role in this
instance.
The first three segments are targeted at parents and caregivers.
The fourth segment is designed for viewing by children eight
years and over. Packaged with each of these videos is a
supporting facilitator's guide. Additional campaign materials
include a set of posters and a website, which is part and parcel
of the modern world, with information for parents and a section
for children eight years and over. These materials have been
distributed widely in Canada through public and private sector
networks. This is something we on the government side think is
important, and I believe rightfully so.
The second priority is to improve communication, co-ordination
and collaboration among road safety agencies. There is good
reason for this. It is obvious. It is essential to obtain and
maintain the strong co-operation needed among all partners if we
are to reach the goals I spoke about a minute ago.
A good example of an initiative in this second priority area is
Transport Canada's creation of a stakeholders database. If we
consult the Transport Canada website we see that there is already
a wealth of road safety information available. Yet the site is
still growing because of the additional links that we have
included and maintain on an ongoing basis.
Through our website the public can access other road safety
programs offered by all levels of government, by the national
associations involved in this worthwhile endeavour and by
organizations involved in road safety across Canada. There is a
total of 70 programs to date in this very important initiative.
The third priority is closely related to the first two as it
aims to discourage behaviour that jeopardizes road safety. In
this priority area we are working with our partners to develop
more efficient enforcement on problems such as impaired driving,
non-use of seatbelts and high risk behaviours. Key among these
in the third priority is a strategy to reduce impaired driving
2001. Each year until 2001, jurisdictions will conduct combined
enforcement and awareness initiatives to reduce the incidence of
this major road safety problem.
Apart from the normal support that Transport Canada offers on
these activities, recently the department assisted with two
specific studies to increase knowledge of the drinking and
driving problem, a problem which is implicated in over 40% of
driver fatalities every year.
It is no secret to any Canadian that it is important that we act
in this area in a consistent and concerted way. It is simply
unacceptable that people in this day and age, never mind in any
day and age, would embark on drinking and driving. There are
national organizations in place. Over the years I have been
associated with a number of them, including Mothers Against Drunk
Driving and others involving young people who have been very
concerted in trying to do away with the kind of tragedy that
comes with drinking and driving.
The fourth priority is to improve the collection and quality of
road safety data.
Transport Canada and its partners play key roles in collecting,
standardizing and sharing common data. Good data are absolutely
essential to establishing and conducting road safety programs and
standards. All stakeholders agree that road safety data in
Canada must be more timely and comprehensive.
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In response and as a result, Transport Canada is chairing a
national task force to look at this very important issue. It is
one in which Canadians expect the government to take a lead role
because it is very important. Canadians expect us to act.
The goal of realizing our shared safety vision, particularly the
goal of making Canada's roads the world's safest, may seem an
awesome task. At the same time the government and I believe it
is attainable. We can improve our current standing in the world
in this very important area. It is important that we on the
government side, and hopefully all members of parliament, share
in that vision and its worthwhile and noble objective.
At the same time I should point out that all the partners
realize this goal will need to recognize our unique Canadian
conditions: our large land mass, for example; our extreme and
varied weather; great distances between major urban centres; and
our heavy reliance on transportation to move both people and
goods in our great and vast land.
At the end of the day I am confident we could begin to reach our
shared goal of providing the safest transportation in the world.
We could all continue, and hopefully we will, to work diligently
to provide a future that is safe and accessible, one in which all
Canadians could share.
After all, safety is a shared responsibility. The rewards are
inherent in terms of saved lives and reduced injury and suffering
as a result of the direction with which we on this side of the
House, and hopefully all members of this great Chamber, can agree
when it comes to road safety.
I encourage all members of parliament to ensure that we do the
right thing in this very important area. We must ensure that we
act in a fashion consistent with the values Canadians hold. We
must share a common vision when it comes to road safety, knowing
that it is the right thing to do and the best thing to do on
behalf of Canadians wherever they live in our great country.
Mr. Lee Morrison (Cypress Hills—Grasslands, Ref.): Madam
Speaker, I will be dividing my time. I would like to begin my
remarks with a brief reference to the propensity of the
government to pass laws without due regard for the law of
unintended consequences. Government members rush out and put
together huge omnibus bills like the Canada Transportation Act,
and then a few years down the line they say this is not what we
really intended at all. By that time it is too late.
When the Canada Transportation Act was passed in 1996 it was
actually the death knell for the primary grain collection system
in western Canada, for dozens of rural communities, and for a
service oriented grain transportation system which is now in the
process of being replaced with a grain transportation system
designed for the convenience of railways and grain companies.
With the new regime under the new CTA the abandonment process was
certainly simplified as it was supposed to be. However, it was
supposed to encourage the development of short line railways, and
the outcome has been quite the opposite.
The problem, as pointed out by Mr. Justice Estey in his report
on grain transportation, is that there is absolutely nothing to
prevent a class one railway from serving notice of abandonment of
part of a branch line while retaining profitable sections, which
destroys the economic cohesion and potential viability of the
entire unit. Estey called this sort of activity a breach of the
spirit of the law. I submit that the CTA must be amended in the
public interest to close that loophole.
In this regard I have submitted a private member's bill to
prohibit a railway company from actually physically dismantling
an abandoned line until three years after its discontinuance.
This would thwart the “death by a thousand cuts” principle of
abandonment by ensuring the short term preservation of the
infrastructure while giving potential operators adequate time to
negotiate purchase terms with owners and to arrange for
financing.
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Unfortunately, although I introduced this bill in the House on
September 21, 1998, the chance that it will be debated in this
parliament are slim. Meanwhile, the piecemeal abandonment can
proceed as the railway companies see fit.
It has to be understood that allowing a shortline railway to
operate might not always be in a class one railway's best
interest. They are faced with the inconvenience of liaison with
the shortline railway coming up to their service, and also there
is this big problem that continued movement of grain on a branch
line would hamper the plans of grain companies to consolidate
their facilities on the main lines.
Rail companies and grain companies have no vested interest in
providing customer service because their customers have no choice
except to take whatever is presented to them. They are captives.
The original grain collection system on the prairies worked very
well. It was designed by practical people and it was used to
provide real service to the people who used it. With the
appearance on the scene of small farm trucks in the 1930s and
1940s, followed by the appearance of all-weather market roads in
the 1960s, the grain companies began to consolidate their
operations, so that by the 1980s about half of the grain delivery
points in western Canada had been abandoned.
This did not cause great hardship to the producers because they
were still generally within 20 or 30 kilometres of a delivery
point. It did, however, create problems for other people. Scores
of villages disappeared. The village where I attended school
used to have a couple of general stores, a couple of restaurants,
a couple of service stations and a hotel. Now it is a ghost
town. There is not even a 7-Eleven, even though the surrounding
land is now more productive than it ever has been. Farmers
routinely have to drive 100 kilometres or more for their
supplies, and now the pressure is on to shut down the elevators
so that they will have to actually deliver their product to
anything from 80 to 100 kilometres away.
There is intense pressure to remove these remaining elevators
from almost all of the branch lines and tear up the tracks. I
would not say that the grain companies and railway companies
collude, but they certainly share a common interest.
New high throughput concrete elevators are springing up all
along the main lines and both the railways and the grain
companies will benefit if the branch line system is shut down and
farmers are forced to deliver their grain to distant central
points.
Even where local delivery points are still operating, some
producers are already taking their product by long haul truck to
the main lines, to the big delivery points, because the small
country elevators are often plugged for weeks on end and
producers who have to have income are forced to bypass them.
The reason for this is fairly clear. If a grain company has
already decided to eliminate an elevator, it makes no serious
effort to get hopper grain cars. Meanwhile, elevators in
neighbouring villages may have cars loaded, but if there are not
enough loaded cars available on a subdivision to justify the
assembly of a train, nothing moves.
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The final result is that less and less grain moves off of the
affected branch lines, railway companies lose progressively more
money on the service and then this is used to justify line
abandonment.
I expect that if branch lines disappear the freight incentives
at the large elevators which are now being offered will also
disappear. The direct cost to farmers, nevertheless, may remain
below the cost of shipping on the branch lines because the
trucking industry, unlike railways, is intensely competitive.
However, the producers will pay in other ways.
First, they will see their taxes rise to build and maintain
market roads able to accommodate a steady stream of 36 to 55
tonne loads. Second, farmers and villages along abandoned rail
lines will also see their property taxes increase because the
railways and the grain companies will no longer contribute to the
tax base. Some small villages will lose up to 30% of their
revenue.
Because the government lacks the vision to relate increased road
requirements to the deterioration of the railway system, it
contributes virtually nothing to roads and highways. For
example, in the period 1987 to 1997 the average federal
contribution in the province of Saskatchewan to roads was $4.7
million. It is now $30 million from the strategic highways
improvement program and the grain transportation adjustment fund,
but annual federal taxes suck out of that province $125 million
on fuel tax.
Canada urgently needs a program similar to that which is in the
United States of America where dedicated fuel revenues are put
into a federal fund that cannot be used for anything except road
construction. It amounts to $26 billion a year, which on a per
capita basis works out to $970 a year. An equivalent annual
expenditure would be $2.9 billion in this country. That is far
less than the more than $4.3 billion which is siphoned out of the
provinces in annual fuel excise taxes.
I see that I have used up my time. This is a subject which I
generally speak to for at least an hour and I thank you, Madam
Speaker, for your consideration.
Mr. Howard Hilstrom (Selkirk—Interlake, Ref.): Madam
Speaker, we are debating tonight transportation issues in Canada
and I would like to deal with the railway issue as it relates to
grain transportation in western Canada.
All those involved in the western grain transportation handling
system agree that the system is broken and that it needs to be
fixed. This includes farmers, grain companies, grain handling
terminals and the Canadian Wheat Board, along with the railways
which move the grain.
The current system is rigid, unaccountable and does not
efficiently serve the needs of these system participants,
especially the farmer who pays all of the costs. That is an
important part to remember in this debate.
Severe systemic breakdowns in the handling and transportation
system which occur every few years are dramatic demonstrations of
the need for grain transportation reform. More recently we saw
the system fall apart during the winter of 1993-94 and again in
the winter of 1996-97. These breakdowns cost millions of dollars
in demurrage and operating costs and lost sales. No one in the
system, including the grain companies, the railways or the
Canadian Wheat Board, can be held accountable for systemic
inefficiencies.
The entities are caught up in inefficiencies caused by
government legislation, regulation and bureaucracy, including the
Canadian Wheat Board Act.
This system does not cost farmers only when problems arise. It
costs them money every day that the system remains unchanged. The
inefficient use of our grain handling and transportation system
means that farmers pay far too much to get their grain from the
prairies to port position.
Because of the control which the Canadian Wheat Board exerts
over the system, grain companies and railways cannot manage their
own facilities and equipment in the most efficient manner.
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For example, railways and grain companies have tried to set up
regularly scheduled grain trains that would cycle between primary
elevators on the prairies and terminal elevators at the ports.
These types of dedicated trains would be able to bypass railway
switching yards, make more efficient use of railway and grain
company staff, allow grain companies to better plan the arrival
of ships, and, in effect, save farmers millions of dollars.
However, the Canadian Wheat Board, through the car allocation
system, would not allow these types of increased efficiencies.
Since the beginning of November the official opposition has held
69 town hall meetings with over 3,000 farmers in B.C., Alberta,
Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario. Western grain farmers
repeatedly pointed out that freight is one of their major costs;
approximately one-third of their expenses in most cases. Over
and over again farmers asked why they were the only commodity
group in which the producer paid the freight and was responsible
for the quality and any added costs for the product throughout
the total shipping network; that is, the farmer carries virtually
all of the risk from the time he puts the seed in the ground
until it is loaded onto the export ship at port.
The Prairie Farm Commodity Coalition estimates that the reforms
to the current grain handling and transportation system could
save farmers over $300 million annually. Put another way, this
would result in a cost reduction of over $15,000 per farm.
Paul Orsak, a Manitoba farmer, recently summarized the opinion
of a vast majority of western farmers when he stated: “We are
firmly convinced that reforming the grain handling and
transportation system will lower transportation costs for
Canadian farmers, increase competition and make Canada's grain
delivery system more effective for our customers”.
How have the Liberals responded to this issue? The government
does what it always does when it does not want to make a
decision. It commissioned a study. After the debacle in the
winter of 1997, former Justice Willard Estey was asked to review
the western grain handling and transportation system and
recommend changes to the government. Much to the government's
surprise, he did exactly what it asked. He recommended changes
which would in fact improve the system.
The underlying theme of Justice Estey's 15 different
recommendations was the need for a more open, market based grain
handling and transportation system.
I would like to point out for the big government socialists in
the House who may not understand this commercial contract based
system that it provides for penalties and incentives in the
contracting out of any commercial contract between businesses
and, in effect, brings about the very efficiencies that
regulations cannot do by command structure from, for instance,
parliament.
Two of the key recommendations from Justice Estey involved the
role of the Canadian Wheat Board and a legislative cap on freight
rates. First, Estey recommended that the role of the wheat board
in the grain handling and transportation system be eliminated.
This recommendation would move the Canadian Wheat Board's
interest out to the ports.
If this recommendation were implemented, the Canadian Wheat
Board would contract the grain companies to move grain to the
port through an auction process and the grain companies would be
responsible for arranging freight with the railways. Producers
would sign contracts with grain companies for delivery of the
grain.
This recommendation is required if we are to replace the current
centrally planned system with a contract driven accountable
system. This would result in improved efficiencies and reduced
producer costs. There does not seem to be too many people who do
not agree with that position.
Justice Estey also recommended changes to the legislative cap on
freight rates. He recommended that the rate cap be replaced with
a revenue cap. The revenue cap would set the total revenue each
railway could receive for moving grain, but would not set the
individual rate at each delivery point, thereby allowing for
individual incentive and pricing which would lower the cost
overall.
The cap on railway revenues would allow market signals to flow
through to railways, grain companies and producers and would
reduce system deficiencies such as the under-utilization of the
Port of Prince Rupert. The key to this is allowing market
signals to have some influence on our grain transportation
system.
Mr. Estey's recommendation would also have seen freight rates
fall by approximately $6.6 million per year over the next six
years.
The report recommends that this reduction be guaranteed through
legislation and the setting of this cap.
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However, the Liberal government did not like the recommendations
that would have softened the wheat board's ironclad hold on
western grain farmers so it spent millions more on another study.
Once again the government was surprised when its next study
person, Mr. Kroeger, upheld Estey's conclusions and recommended
that the wheat board's control over the grain handling
transportation system be eliminated.
When he appeared before the Standing Committee on Transport, Mr.
Kroeger stated “My conclusion was very much along the line of
Justice Estey, that unless you went to a more commercial system
you couldn't really achieve major improvements”.
Arthur Kroeger gave the federal government a progressive report
that if implemented would be a step toward a more efficient
commercially accountable system. He proposed a structure for the
revenue cap that would ensure producers' freight costs fall. He
went one step further and recommended that the initial rate cap
be set at 12% below the revenues earned by the railways in 1998.
Implementation of Mr. Kroeger's recommendation for the rate cap
meet the major criteria of the official opposition: farmers will
benefit from the changes.
When he appeared before the transport committee on February 29,
Mr. Kroeger was quick to point out that any reductions to railway
revenues must not be excessive. Mr. Kroeger stated “My initial
reaction when I wrote the report was be careful, don't overdo it.
You cut too deep, it becomes attractive for investment decisions
to be shifted to other commodities. Whether people like it or
not, rail transportation has to be related to the rest of the
economy of Canada, the United States and the world in that it has
to operate on a commercial contract basis, and in fact respond to
market signals”.
In spite of these two reports, we still have our Minister of
Transport dithering. While he does, farmers in western Canada
are suffering through one of the worst farm income crises in
years. These savings of up to $300 million are not being
achieved.
I will quote a couple of our members of parliament from the
west, the member for Winnipeg South and certainly the foreign
affairs minister, who are drastically fighting every change that
is put forward to the cabinet and the Liberal government and
hindering our transport minister who has stated publicly in the
press that he recognizes the need to move toward a more
accountable commercially based system.
In conclusion, I hope our transport minister hears these words,
keeps his backbone strong and fights back against the kind of
pressure that is against the best interests of farmers in western
Canada.
Mr. Jim Gouk (Kootenay—Boundary—Okanagan, Ref.): Madam
Speaker, I want to talk primarily about the public sector getting
involved in the national transportation system and the concept of
public-private partnerships.
In the last parliament I was involved quite heavily in
transport. I was transport critic and did quite a bit of work
with the transport committee. One of the big things that we were
driving on at that time was public-private partnerships. It was
a real goal of government to get the private sector involved more
with the transportation network in the country and pair with them
in order to get a better system going.
It is interesting because there are a lot of things right now in
the country where we could be doing that, particularly in the
transportation sector. Take, for example, VIA Rail. In the case
of VIA Rail, it has always relied on massive government subsidies
for its operation. Interestingly, in 1997-98 the subsidies
dropped but the losses in VIA Rail actually went up.
Given that the government owns and operates VIA Rail, it is kind
of absurd that it claims its subsidies have dropped while at the
same time the losses of the operation go up. The government of
course has to cover that.
The subsidies in 1997 were $212 million. The government dropped
them to $178 million for 1998.
Ironically, the losses went from $253 million to $261 million.
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Interestingly, we have a really good private sector comparison
that we can use. VIA Rail used to run a passenger rail excursion
system in British Columbia called the Rocky Mountaineer. It was
a concept that VIA said could make lots of money and it really
wanted to get into this. VIA ran it for a time and had the
ridership up to a little under 5,000 people in a season. It lost
money at it, like it did with most other things it operated, but
it still said that it was wonderful.
However, the government of the day, in a moment at least of
wisdom, decided that VIA would have to cut some of its losses by
selling off the Rocky Mountaineer. It put it up for sale, and
along came the private sector, which said, “We think that can
make money if it is run right without subsidy and we'll buy it”.
The people in the public sector actually paid good money to VIA
Rail to purchase this company, to buy the rolling stock and to
buy the passenger list, for whatever that was worth. There
certainly was not a lot of goodwill, but they paid a lot of money
in any case. They bought additional cars. They refurbished the
old cars. They hired crews, provided nice, snazzy uniforms for
them and trained them the way they felt people needed to be
trained in order to provide the service that the public was
really looking for.
They then spent a great deal of money advertising. They
advertised in Europe and brought tourist dollars to our country.
They advertised all over this country, in the United States and
brought people up from there. They made arrangements with cruise
ships to make it part of a cruise-land package so people could
explore the beauty of this country when they landed in Vancouver
on one of these passenger ships.
They had a struggle when they started. However, without
government subsidy, they now carry over 70,000 passengers. They
bring in an incredible amount of tourist dollars. They provide a
lot of good, solid, sustainable jobs and they pay taxes. Rather
than get subsidies, they pay taxes. It is a success story. It
is a success story that could be repeated in the whole passenger
rail system.
The owners of the Rocky Mountaineer also decided that they
needed to be good corporate citizens, unlike VIA Rail. Wherever
the Rocky Mountaineer goes it advertises, it leaves a good
impression and it makes great brochures. VIA Rail leaves
something too. It leaves raw sewage on the tracks everywhere the
train travels. There is no containment whatsoever. It just dumps
straight through.
We can imagine the horror of CN and CP Rail workers when they
have to work on tracks that VIA Rail has been down. Heaven
forbid that people should ever go fishing under a train trestle.
They should make sure it is not one that VIA Rail travels on or
they may get more than they bargain for when they take the old
rod out and head for the water.
The Rocky Mountaineer said “We can't do that. There is no
regulation that says we have to change, but we have to be good
corporate citizens”. It began converting all the rail cars, and
all the new ones that came that way. They came fully contained.
One by one it began converting them over, with the most used
first, and gradually completing its entire changeover by 1996,
which cost a lot of money that it would have liked to have put
into shareholders' pockets for profits, that it would have liked
to have used for advertising, that it would have liked to have
used to buy more rolling stock, that it would have liked to have
used even to reward the workers, who made this system work, with
better wages.
However, it said “We have a corporate responsibility. This is
distasteful what is being done and we have to change it”, and it
did. That is the private sector. VIA Rail said “If you want us
to change, okay, give us the money. Write us another cheque for
this”, because that is how VIA Rail operates.
The private sector can run a transcontinental rail system in
this country. It will work.
I know the minister and even some reports that have been in the
newspapers and magazines have said that the private sector is not
interested because there is no money to be made. I do not
believe that. I say that we should give the passenger rail
system in this country a chance to enter the golden age without
the use of taxpayer funds. It worked in British Columbia and it
could work right across this country.
If the minister's answer to this is that there is no profit in
passenger rail therefore the private sector will not be
interested, then I offer this challenge. I will put together a
series of proposals that will offer complete, unsubsidized rail
transportation across this country. If I can do this, allow the
transport committee to review the proposals and recommend a
decision on the future of rail travel in this country. The
private sector can do the job. We have to give them the
opportunity.
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I want to touch on airports because they are also part of our
great transportation system, particularly in a country this size.
It is the other side of privatization of sorts, community-owned
small airports. They are operated like businesses, very much
like the private sector would operate.
In 1995 the federal government decided that it was losing so
much money on airports, other than a few money-makers like
Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and a few others like that, that it
wanted to get out of the smaller regional airports. It was
losing money at virtually every one of them. It therefore went
to the local governments and asked them to take over the
operation of those airports.
The government said to the local governments “We know these
airports are losing a tonne of money, but here is what we are
going to do. We are going to make some changes and one of those
changes is that we are going to change the requirement for on
site airport firefighting equipment and personnel. You provide
us with your plans showing how you will have a sufficient
reaction time in the event of an emergency declaration and that
you will be able to provide service to the airport and we will
accept that”. All the communities did just that and the
government accepted it.
The communities then agreed to take over the operation of those
airports and turned them around. In Castlegar, my home airport,
we were losing over $500,000 a year. That is a chunk of change
in the grand scheme of things to the federal government, but for
a small community like Castlegar that was a lot of money.
The community took on that airport and turned it around. It now
makes a small but modest profit that continues to give it a
little cushion and a nest egg in case there are some problems
down the road. Interestingly, there happens to be some right now
with all the airline upheaval that is going on.
The government is now making a move to reintroduce the very
thing it cancelled. It is now saying that it will change the
requirements on these small airports for the response time and
that on site airport firefighting requirements will now be
required. This is being done after the arrangement was made that
the communities would operate the airports without this expense,
and it is a tremendous expense.
I worked at airports for 22 years. Airport firefighters are
trained, dedicated personnel. They are good people. However, in
the 22 years I worked at an airport, I never saw an opportunity
for them to save a single life.
This move by the government jeopardizes the financial
sustainability of small airports throughout this country. Canada
needs a better transportation network. VIA is financially
unsustainable without the massive and ongoing injection of
taxpayer money. The government must allow the private sector to
do for VIA Rail what it has done for small airports. Ironically,
what the government is doing instead is threatening the hard work
that make community airports sustainable after decades of needing
government subsidies. Two wrongs do not make a right.
Mr. John Duncan (Vancouver Island North, Ref.): Madam
Speaker, the federal government is less and less relevant in
everyday life to Canadians except when we pay taxes.
One of the two federal departments that I have had the most
frustration with over the past seven years is the Department of
Transport. I am appalled at the insensitive behaviour and urban
orientation of our Department of Transport gurus. We live in a
big country and we need worldclass transportation infrastructure.
I am going to talk about marine ports and air regulations.
Municipal governments across Canada have been asked to
co-operate on accepting ownership and responsibility for many
federal marine port facilities and local airports since 1995.
Now, out of the clear blue sky, the federal bureaucracy wants to
impose an incredibly expanding regime on an incredibly dispersed
and diversified sector, which is the small airline and float
plane industry.
Municipal governments entered into these negotiations in a
spirit of co-operation. The goodwill in some negotiations is now
completely gone. The insensitivity of the federal government to
local needs and rural realities has astounded me and many others
who were involved in the process.
As a measure of the good faith and co-operation that was going
on, the Department of Transport started off in 1995 with 81
marine port facilities that it did not want anymore.
As of March 31, 1999, 24 facilities had been successfully
transferred to other authorities and 57 were still in federal
hands. There are real problems with this shortened list.
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I know what a remote community is. If there is anyone on the
B.C. coast who knows what a remote community is, I am the one in
this place who knows. I have lived there. I made my living
there. The largest community I lived in for most of my 20 years
in the forest industry was one with 1,800 people and many were
much smaller.
I have had to scratch my head that the federal government was
taking no responsibility for one very remote community in my
riding on the B.C. coast. It is called Zeballos. When I filed
an access to information request, it all became clear. The
Ottawa bureaucracy thought there was a road along the coast that
connected it to the next community and that is why it was not
remote. That road does not exist.
Then there is the ongoing saga of another remote coastal
community in my riding, the village of Quatsino, a viable
community of 300 people established in the 1880s. Many of the
same families are still there. That community relies on boats
and dock facilities for health care and to send their children to
secondary school. Rather than designate the connecting facility
as remote and worthy of federal maintenance in line with federal
policy, the government is playing hard ball and telling the
community “Too bad, you chose to live there”. What an insult.
I am well aware of problems along the same lines in other west
coast communities.
Then there is the situation where communities have taken over
their local airport authority, relieved the federal government of
the responsibility often on the basis of negotiations which
occurred in 1994-95, only to be sandbagged by the Department of
Transport later. I have an example of irresponsible federal
offloading of costs at the airport in my very own community of
Campbell River.
Negotiations with Transport Canada were completed in 1995 and
the community took over the airport on January 1, 1996. During
negotiations the municipality expressly stated that the federal
government should not transfer ownership and then mandate new
costs which would make it difficult or more expensive for the
municipality to manage the operation. Lo and behold, what is
happening now? The federal government is trying to mandate new
emergency preparedness capabilities which would introduce new
costs of $350,000 a year for that facility alone and the feds do
not want to pay.
This has been happening across the country. The Federation of
Canadian Municipalities and others are complaining. Negotiations
between the affected stakeholders and the feds have broken down
over the issue of costs. The stakeholders in the working group
have abandoned talks with the federal government over this issue
and the refusal of Transport Canada to talk about these costs.
The department only wants to discuss new standards and talk
about costs later. This is impossible for the local authorities
and is simply not acceptable. This is highhanded arrogant
behaviour leading to an increase in the mistrust of entering into
any negotiations with the federal government where downstream
legislation or regulatory changes by the feds can increase local
liability without compensation and where discussion seems to be a
one way street with the Department of Transport driving. This is
not fair negotiation.
What is required right now on this emergency response
preparedness at all non-designated airports in Canada with
commercial passenger service? It is a widespread issue and local
authorities are complaining.
As if this is not enough, now the Department of Transport has
decided to target the float plane sector.
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In the words of one operator asked to respond to the new
regulations and standards: “Once again Transport Canada has come
up with a make work project that will waste its time and our
money. If the cost for implementing and enforcing new
regulations is to be borne by the operators at the water
aerodrome, you can expect a mass exodus, if there is anyone left
to leave. This draft document has been drawn up using a water
aerodrome in downtown Toronto or Vancouver as a model. I do not
think one regulation or standard can fit all aerodromes”. These
are stakeholder comments.
The airlines serving Canada's remote communities do a good job
under adverse circumstances and under conditions found nowhere
else in the world. That is why we are so respected in the
international community in this endeavour. We cannot tie up our
entrepreneurs and pilots in red tape. Transport Canada has now
proposed NPA 99-147 which deals with aircraft landing approach
bands which would do exactly that.
I have some comments from one of the larger operators. The
vice-president of Bearskin Airlines wrote:
This new proposed ruling suggests that an approach not be
attempted if the reported visibility on a non-precision approach
is reported below the published advisory limit.
In my experience of over 23,000 hours of flying in N.W. Ontario,
there are many many times when the visibility was reported as 1/2
mile, but on one mile final I could see all of a 6,000 foot
runway. In other words, flight visibility was 2 miles.
He went on to say that this new ruling would unnecessarily
cancel a large percentage of the company's winter flights for no
reason and with no safety advantage. He foresaw that a lot of
aircraft would go to their alternates and in some cases would not
be able to land legally at their alternate because of unexpected
and unforecast weather situations which could lead to flights
running short on fuel.
The complaints go on. Nav Canada said, “This is ill-advised
from both a flight efficiency and flight safety perspective.
Transport Canada should be taken to task to show the statistical
connection between this proposed ruling and the safety benefits
it contends will result. It is not reasonable to assume that any
flight safety benefit will result from this NPA while flight
deficiency will be adversely affected because approaches that
could have been safely and effectively completed will be aborted
or not flown at all”.
That is a list of some of my complaints. Ten minutes is a long
time when there is nothing much to say but it is not very much
time when there is a lot to say.
What is happening is the federal government is doing all of
those things. At the same time it has created a rural dialogue
to discuss how the government should prioritize federal tax
spending and it wants to do it with rural youth in my riding and
other parts of British Columbia. I wrote to the minister and the
chair of the local school board to object to this poor priority
for taxation spending.
In summary, we cannot let the insulated, comfortable and
protective central bureaucracy and minister continue to increase
their legislative and regulatory authority at the expense of new
cost burdens on local authorities. This is simply not fair.
Mr. Howard Hilstrom (Selkirk—Interlake, Ref.): Madam
Speaker, I just wish to make a couple of comments in regard to
ports and rail transportation in Manitoba. The port of Churchill
in Manitoba is one of the most direct routes into the heart of
the prairies. It is the most efficient and cost effective way of
moving grain out of the central prairies.
I would like to point out to the House that when Omnitrax
Corporation took over the rail line and the operation of the
port, it did things that CN Rail said could not be done.
It used regular hopper cars, the new large style, that supposedly
could not be used by CN Rail. It also shipped feed peas out and
brought copper ore in.
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The comments of the member from British Columbia in regard to
ports brought this to my mind. I would like to make sure that the
transport minister recognizes that in fact commercial contract
based business dealings can create greater wealth and move goods
more efficiently than the old style command structure. That
became evident at the port of Churchill last year through the
operation of the private company Omnitrax.
Mr. John Duncan: Madam Speaker, the comment from my
colleague was a good one.
Mr. Chuck Cadman (Surrey North, Ref.): Madam Speaker, I
am pleased to rise to speak about an integrated transportation
system in the country.
Simply put, this debate is about getting the government to show
some necessary leadership. Unfortunately it is not often we see
it providing leadership with many issues. We seldom see
leadership at all when it comes to transportation issues.
We saw little in the way of leadership from the government when
it cancelled the Pearson airport deal which cost Canadian
taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars. Nor did we see much
leadership when it merely reacted to the Air Canada and Canadian
Airline situation which resulted in a monopoly more or less for
Canadian domestic air travel. Consumers will once again be
expected to pay significantly through increased fares and limited
alternatives when travelling across the country.
The other day I heard that a couple of U.S. airlines were having
a price war to compete with each other. Apparently the
executives at Air Canada were heard laughing all across North
America. It is so sad when Canadians do not know whether that is
actually a joke or the truth.
We have not seen much in the way of leadership when the
government continues to collect billions in fuel taxes supposedly
for the building and maintenance of our highways. It retains the
vast majority of this tax to be used for its pet projects, to
enable it to brag about balancing the budget and to mismanage
through human resources development grant fiascos, or through
dozens of other equally dismal government operations.
Speaking of fuel taxes, we certainly see a lack of leadership in
this regard. On each and every litre of fuel at the pumps, the
federal government has its hand out for its share which last year
came to $4.5 billion. But when Canadians face a fuel crisis like
we are presently witnessing, the Prime Minister appears to be
blind to the fact that his government is part of the problem. He
claims that escalating gas prices are outside his jurisdiction.
He has refused to even consider reducing his share of the
profits. That is leadership. He is quite happy to reap millions
of dollars on the backs of consumers and truckers whose prices
rise through the roof.
The second part of this motion seeks to encourage the federal
government to work in conjunction with other levels of government
and the private sector to plan, implement and fund an integrated
transportation system. We have not gotten off to a very good
start. The federal government will go down in history as being
completely unable or unwilling to work in conjunction with other
levels of government.
Federal taxes affect the pricing of motor vehicle fuels but the
Prime Minister is not even interested in working together with
the provinces to address our present difficulties. He merely
walks away from the issue saying it is not his problem. He likes
a windfall in taxes but he does not want nor will he accept the
problems that are created.
Then we have our rail system. The government has been party to
the dismantling and the shrinkage of our rail transportation
capabilities. At the same time it has been helping the American
rail system. We recently learned that our federal government
through the Export Development Corporation loaned U.S. government
owned Amtrak $1 billion to help build the Boston to Washington
bullet train.
That deficit plagued U.S. railroad agency gets Canadian federal
government support. At the same time our own rail system is
being dramatically reduced. It is a national disgrace to
discover that the government is more interested in protecting the
more competitive U.S. transportation market while ignoring our
own transportation system.
I will not even go into the relationship of Pierre MacDonald who
was appointed as a director of EDC by the Prime Minister. Mr.
MacDonald, a former Quebec Liberal cabinet minister, was also a
director of Bombardier which surprise, surprise, is a major
beneficiary of the loan to Amtrak. In fact the board of the EDC
reads like an old boys club in its connections to the Prime
Minister and the Liberal Party of Canada but that is a debate for
another day.
Last week I had the opportunity to meet with representatives of
Rocky Mountaineer Railtours which operates a train service
through the Rockies.
They bought the tourism service from VIA Rail over 10 years ago
and have since turned it into a major success story without one
cent of government money. They plan to expand into other parts
of Canada.
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I mention Rocky Mountaineer Railtours to point out that Canadian
entrepreneur possess the skills to meet transportation
challenges, but too often the federal government stands in the
way or disrupts competition by either protecting one of the
participants or creating some sort of monopoly. There is little
in the way of leadership to plan for success so that all
Canadians may benefit from an effective and efficient
transportation system within the country.
After the success of the Rocky Mountaineer Railtours I am led to
believe that the federal government is considering allowing VIA
Rail to compete directly with it. Once again we will have the
federal government interfering by subsidizing VIA Rail to drive
out a successful independent private business.
The recent Air Canada-Canadian Airlines merger illustrates how
inept the government has become with its lack of an overall plan
for transportation. The government and the Minister of Transport
only react to what occurred to significantly change our air
transportation. There has been no plan in place. There has been
no leadership. The federal government merely stood by while
Canadian citizens lost any semblance of a competitive market.
These examples illustrate just how the federal government fails
to lead and protect Canadians by ensuring an effective
transportation system. Far too often the Prime Minister runs
around trying to put out one fire after another, merely by
throwing money at them. If there is a problem with health care,
he puts a couple of billion dollars back into it and says he has
looked after it. If there is a problem with national defence he
allots a few million dollars and says it is fixed. If there is a
problem with organized crime taking over the country, he gives
the Mounties a few million and says things are okay.
The only overall plan is to ensure that Canadians are taxed to
death so the federal government will have enough surplus funds to
put out the fires. Unfortunately this puts out the fires for
just a short period of time. Before too long we need more
resources for health care. We need more to fund national defence
and we need more for our police.
This is the same problem with our transportation industry. For
years and years the government has shortchanged Canadians by
taxing billions and billions of dollars for road building and
maintenance. Our highways have been left to break up and
disintegrate. It will now cost many billions of dollars to get
them back up to scratch. The government will provide a few
million dollars and say everything is fine when it knows it is
like a band-aid on a hole in the dike.
Similarly the government wheeled and dealed with Air Canada and
worked together to spin a tale that Air Canada would maintain
competitive pricing on airfares in the domestic market. In the
not too distant future Canadians will witness increased prices.
At some point the federal government will react with some sort of
band-aid, but the problem will never completely go away because
there is no overall plan or leadership. The same goes for rail
transportation.
It is interesting to note that the federal government has had
difficulty in finding a band-aid for the trucking industry. The
government does not know who to pay off to quiet the truckers
because truckers operate independently. There is no place to
hand out a million dollar grant or subsidy. The government could
impose a freeze by eliminating its share of the profits gained
from the sale of motor fuel, but there is no guarantee that
retailers will pass on the savings to the consumer.
The Prime Minister says that it is not his problem, that it is
someone else's. He conveniently forgets that he is a partner in
the profits. He conveniently forgets that the federal government
has a role in national transportation issues. The only answer to
this problem is the tried and true Liberal response that they
will study it to death.
To sum up, my constituency of Surrey North is home to the Fraser
Surrey docks which handles 200 vessels per year ranging in size
up to 50,000 tonnes. It is part of the Fraser River Port
Authority. Surrey North is also home to a large rail marshalling
yard and an intermodal facility. It is bounded on one side by
the Trans-Canada Highway and has two major bridges crossing the
Fraser River. A sustainable, integrated national transportation
system is important to the economy of my community.
Just as an anecdote, going back to the highways issue, in 1971
my wife and I drove from Toronto to Vancouver when we moved out
there in an Austin Mini, a little car with 10 inch wheels. That
was in my leaner days. We went out there with everything we
owned and two cats. I remember our drive across the prairies. It
was just a wonderful drive on the highways. Through the
mountains it was a wonderful drive. Through the Fraser Canyon
the only thing we feared was looking in the rear view mirror and
seeing the licence plate of a semi coming behind.
Last year I drove the Fraser Canyon again, this time in a bigger
car, and the condition of the highway was unbelievable. It was
washboard and bone rattling. I say this to show the
deterioration we have seen our highway system go through in the
last 25 to 30 years. It is criminal.
To date the government has demonstrated no vision when it comes
to a national transportation strategy and it is about time it
started.
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Mr. Gurmant Grewal (Surrey Central, Ref.): Madam Speaker,
I rise on behalf of the constituents of Surrey Central to speak
to the official opposition motion which states in part:
—the government should provide the necessary leadership to
develop a safe, seamless, integrated transportation system, by
working in conjunction with other levels of government and the
private sector, to plan, implement and fund such a system.
I congratulate the chief transportation critic of the official
opposition, the hon. member for South Surrey—White
Rock—Langley, which is south of my constituency, on her
thoughtfulness in tabling the motion on behalf of the official
opposition and the excellent speech she delivered earlier in
which she raised very important issues.
Other members have spoken in the House, particularly members of
the official opposition who have brought forward many issues
dealing with different aspects of transportation: fuel prices,
air transportation, pollution, road maintenance, ferries and
railroad transport.
My constituents care about transportation. I will tell the
House about the makeup of my constituency. The constituency of
Surrey Central is mostly an urban community. There are certain
pockets, which are semi-urban so it is a mixture of urban and
semi-urban communities. One of the remarkable features of my
constituency is that it is the largest in Canada in terms of
population.
The city of Surrey used to be one of the fastest growing cities
in Canada before Alberta became more attractive because its
Conservative government had lowered taxes. A few months ago
about 1,200 people on average moved into Surrey every month. Lots
of new development and construction took place to accommodate the
influx of people. Due to serious parking problems in downtown
Vancouver, many businesses have moved in and are moving into
Surrey and other lower mainland communities.
All this has compounded the already existing traffic congestion
on highways, freeways and other tributaries. It will get serious
in the future if effective and constructive planning is not done
in a timely fashion. If the federal government does not show
leadership, we will see some serious problems not only in my
constituency and the neighbouring riding but in many parts of
Canada.
No. 10 highway and 176 Street in my constituency have high
levels of traffic with trucks going to and from the Canada-U.S.
border. Both these highways pass through many residential areas.
Residents are seriously concerned about traffic congestion,
safety and pollution.
The motion is asking the federal government to provide
leadership in developing a safe, seamless, integrated
transportation system by working in conjunction with the other
levels of government, namely the municipal and provincial
governments, and the private sector to plan, implement and fund
such a system. It is very timely and is needed if we want to see
a lot of development and progress in the country.
The federal government should not only be playing a leadership
role but should also be part of the cost sharing program.
Industrial development is important to create and sustain jobs in
Canada. We know that small business creates jobs, not the
government.
Rather the government discourages jobs by increasing taxes. Small
business is the backbone of our economy. To facilitate
industrial development, the key to enhancing our economy, the
government should keep pace with infrastructure and
transportation system development in the country.
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Road development and maintenance of the roads are important
elements in urban planning. I indicate to my constituents and
other people who are watching that I am focusing on the urban
planning part of the transportation problem because my other
colleagues have spoken to all other areas related to
transportation. Some efforts have been made by the provincial
and municipal governments to develop a ring road, for example, in
Surrey but progress has been very slow. There is a need for us
to effectively plan transportation in urban and semi-urban areas.
The poorly planned road system and poorly maintained roads
create chaos, particularly during rush hour and bad weather. If
we look at the bigger picture, this results in thousands and
millions of man hours being lost during routine traffic jams,
resulting in a loss or waste of national productivity. Traffic
jams also adversely affect businesses and add to the costs of
production and the delivery of goods and services.
Traffic jams also increase air pollution, affecting the health
of Canadians. This may result in huge amounts of money being
spent on health care related to pollution when the air is not
purified, when air pollution or some other types of pollution
occur as a result of traffic congestion.
What do we see being done by any level of government but
particularly by the federal government? We see very little with
respect to the magnitude of the problem or the forecast of the
problems that may occur.
I was in Germany some time ago and I was surprised to see how
effective the car pooling system had become in many European
countries. In Germany car pooling is so effective people
advertise in the newspaper that such and such a person is
commuting within such and such an area. People share vehicles
which reduces fuel consumption and air pollution and which
results in a fewer number of vehicles being on the streets. It
is very effective.
Car pooling in Canada, particularly on the lower mainland, is
not effective at all. It is absolutely ridiculous. It is not
working. Even park and ride is not effective. Crime control is
a serious problem with park and ride. Break-in and theft of
vehicles happen very frequently.
Also with respect to car pooling, the minimum number of
passengers required for a vehicle to be able to use the car pool
lanes on the freeways is six. This is very high. On many
freeways it does not encourage commuters to use car pools. It
should be reduced. In the U.S. two passengers are required in a
vehicle for it to be able to use the car pool lanes. I do not
see anything being done in Canada in that regard. If the
government does not address these problems they become more
serious.
Nigeria did not plan like we plan in Canada. Its government did
not show any leadership in this area, at least not enough
leadership. At one time when I used to live in West Africa its
government did not plan. Traffic congestion on the roads became
very serious. That government did not know what to do so it had
to recall some vehicles from the streets. To do that there was a
regulation that on certain days only vehicles with even numbered
licence plates were allowed on the streets. On other days
vehicles with odd numbered licence plates were allowed to move on
the streets. The situation was serious.
If we in Canada do not plan properly there will be some of the
disadvantages I mentioned. People feel frustrated and road rage
occurs because of traffic congestion and other problems. To
avoid all these things we need leadership from the government.
Therefore the motion is very important and timely.
I will add for the lonely Liberal member who is listening to
this debate that when he reports to his caucus he should urge his
Liberal colleagues to do something to address this situation, and
not bungle it like they did with the airline fiasco which we saw
in the past. The other aspects of transportation are equally
important. I am sure they will concede to the motion, take the
necessary action and show some leadership.
The Acting Speaker (Ms. Thibeault): Pursuant to order
made earlier today, it is my duty to inform the House that the
proceedings on the motion have expired.
It being 10.15 p.m., the House stands adjourned until tomorrow
at 10 a.m., pursuant to Standing Order 24(1).
(The House adjourned at 10.15 p.m.)