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National Defence Media Availability with General Rick Hillier, Chief of the Defence Staff, and Lieutenant-General Marc Dumais, Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff
They meet with media and discuss help offered to American authorities in the wake of Hurricane Katrina's devastation
13h30 - September 1, 2005
NOTE: The following transcript is presented in the language(s) in which it occurred. There is no translation available. We are providing the transcript for your information.
Moderator: Mesdames et messieurs, nous débuterons maintenant avec les remarques d’ouverture du Général Rick Hillier, chef d’État-major. Ladies and gentlemen, we will start with the opening remarks. General Rick Hillier, Chief of Defence Staff.
Gen. Rick Hillier: Well, ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon and thank you for being here. We wanted to provide some opportunity to at least let you know from the Canadian Forces’ perspective, for whom I speak, where we are in this tragedy.
Let me first say, ladies and gentlemen, that our closest allies and our friends and our neighbours are living in a tragedy beyond anything that we probably would have imagined would visit the shores of this continent. A minute by minute tragedy visited on tens of thousands, perhaps even hundreds of thousands of souls down there and, by an extension of course the nation and the continent. And we want to help and we believe that that’s what being friends and allies is about, being ready to help in time of need.
As a personal note I’ll say that as General Rick Hillier during my time living in the southern United States in 1998 to 2000 I spent a significant amount of time in Louisiana doing training exercises and events in preparation in Fort Polk just north of New Orleans itself and participated in New Orleans in June of 2000 in the opening of the D-Day Museum. So my family and I watched those pictures from video and see those things in print and the pictures in the newspapers and our thoughts and our prayers go out to all those involved. We want to help you. Our thoughts and our prayers are with you.
Yesterday I spoke with my American counterpart, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Dick Myers, and the Commander of U.S. Northern Command, Admiral Tim Keating and I told them this: that whenever there is a need, wherever there is a need be it a niche capability or augmentation to an existing capability they had but to ask and we in the Canadian Forces would have it rolling or sailing or flying southward as quickly as possible to stand side by side with them to bring relief or respite to those who might need it and for however long it would take within our capacity to assist them.
Their message back to me was very clear. Firstly, it was a heartfelt thanks from their part that we had made the offer directly and that they believed this offer was completely sincere. They were appreciative of it completely. Secondly, they responded they are still trying to get full situational awareness of the extent of the tragedy and therefore what the full requirement will be to mitigate it. Secondly, of course -- thirdly they know that the magnitude and the duration of this capacity is immense — absolutely immense. They know what we are capable of and when the need is determined and when the duration is determined if they have need of things that they cannot provide they will indeed call us.
I’ve asked our Deputy Chief of Defence Staff, Lieutenant-General Marc Dumais, standing here on my left, to now develop the contingency plans and to put any CF units that may be called upon to deploy in support of a relief effort on standby. In short, we want to be ready to go as soon as any need is identified that we may be able to fill. And we are preparing assets from the air, land and sea in order to move to the area as I requested.
I just had lunch with the American ambassador, Ambassador David Wilkins, and I told him exactly the same thing. He knows we want to help. He knows that we can help and he knows that if there is a need, be it to fill a niche that is not filled or to augment some of the capacity already, we will be there for them. He will take that message, he told me, directly to Washington.
Ladies and gentlemen, I often tell young soldiers deploying to our missions overseas that very few people in their lifetime have the privilege of doing something positively to really affect the lives of thousands of people. And today I would tell them — soldiers, sailors, airmen and women — exactly the same thing. Helping our friends and neighbours is a privilege that we stand by to implement, that we stand by to grab, that we stand by to do.
I know as I speak for the Canadian Forces that I have the entire support of the Government of Canada behind me. I spoke last night with our prime minister and we walked through this issue in detail and I have his complete support to make the offers that I have made to the United States of America. I spoke to the Minister of National Defence this morning and, again, walked through him our preparations and our planning and the offers that we had made and, again, I have his complete support to have made that offer. We stand ready to assist the Americans if there is any demand, any request to us and we stand ready to do that as soon as they ask.
Mesdames et messieurs, nos plus proches alliés, nos voisins, nos amis, vivent des moments de tragédie terribles aujourd’hui. Cette horreur s’est emparée minute après minute de centaines de milliers de personnes et par extension d’un pays entier. Nous voulons leur prêter main forte. C’est à cela que servent les amis et les alliés. Ils doivent être là lorsqu’on a besoin d’eux.
Hier j’ai parlé avec mes homologues américains, le chef d’État-major inter-armé, Général Dick Meyers, et le commandant de Northern Command, Admiral Tim Keating. Je leur ai dit ceci, que quels que soient leurs besoins, qu’ils aient besoin d’une capacité particulière ou de davantage de capacité il leur suffit de demander. Les Forces canadiennes courront, navigueront ou voleront vers le Sud pour se tenir aux côtés du peuple américain pour lui porter secours et lui fournir de l’aide tant et aussi longtemps que nécessaire.
Leur réponse a été claire : merci. Ils sont encore en train d’évaluer la situation dans les régions touchées, de définir les meilleures façons de coordonner leurs efforts de secours. Ils connaissent aussi l’ampleur de mesurer et la durée de cette catastrophe. Ils savent que les Forces canadiennes sont capables de les aider et lorsque les besoins auront été définis ils feront appel à nous.
J’ai demandé au sous-chef d’État-Major de la Défense, le Lieutenant-Général Marc Dumais, ici à gauche, de mettre au point des plans de contingence et de placer en état d’alerte les unités des Forces canadiennes capables de se déployer pour participer aux efforts d’aide s’il y en a besoin. Nous commençons à préparer nos forces aériennes, forces maritimes et forces terrestres d’être prêtes.
J’ai rencontré l’ambassadeur américain, David Wilkins, aujourd’hui et je lui ai confirmé la même chose. Il sait que nous voulons et que nous pouvons aider. Et il transmettra ce message directement à Washington.
Mesdames et messieurs, je dis souvent aux jeunes soldats qui participent aux missions outremer que peu de personnes au cours de leur vie ont le privilège de faire quelque chose qui améliore aussi positivement et profondément les conditions de vie des milliers de gens. Et aujourd’hui je voudrais leur dire exactement la même chose. On est prêt à aider nos amis s’ils ont besoin.
Ladies and gentlemen, we know that the United States of America has enormous capacity flowing towards the southern part of their country from their armed forces and from the great industrial plant that their country has. We know that they probably have most or all of the things that they need. That’s obvious and common sense. But there may be opportunity that things that we have in the Canadian Forces, where it can be used to alleviate suffering, to speed the recovery or to just mitigate the continuing damage. If there is a need, if there is anything identified whatsoever, we are prepared to respond immediately.
I’m now prepared to take questions from you or ask General Marc Dumais to assist me in answering any questions that you might have. Thank you very much. Je vous remercie.
Modératrice: Nous allons maintenant répondre à vos questions. Il y a un microphone de chaque côté de la salle et nous alternerons entre les deux. S’il-vous-plaît vous identifier et vos agences. Si vous désirez poser une question par téléconférence vous devez tout d’abord appuyer sur la touche étoile suivie du numéro un de votre téléphone. Veuillez vous limiter à une question principale et une question complémentaire.
We’ll now start with questions from the floor. There are microphones on each side of the room and we’ll alternate between the two. Please identify yourself as well as your news agency. For those in teleconference, if you have a question, please press star followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question. We’ll start on this side here.
Question: General Hillier, Roger Smith from CTV. There have been a lot of strong and angry words between Canada and the United States in recent weeks over softwood. The prime minister has been criticized for not speaking out more quickly publicly about the hurricane and offering Canada’s condolences. Could Canadians be excused for thinking that this whole offer, public offer of help today is a little bit of PR to try to help improve relations between the two countries?
Gen. Rick Hillier: Roger, let me just tell you from my perspective as the Chief of Defence Staff in the Canadian Forces our offer of help representing I know what our government is supporting and what Canadians want also is absolutely genuine and from the heart. These are our neighbours. They are our friends and they are our allies. And if they are in need and if we can fill a part of the requirement to mitigate and diminish that need then we’re prepared to do so. That is not a public relations piece from us. It is genuine from the heart. We know, we have confidence if conditions were reversed they would be the first to step up to help us if we needed it and I think that we as neighbours, as friends, as allies, as family on the continent, if you will, North Americans, we’re ready to do exactly the same with them and I think that’s not only our responsibility, that’s probably our passion also.
Question: You talked about contingency plans and putting people on standby. I mean what kind of services are you thinking we might be able to provide and therefore how many people and what kind of people will you be putting on standby?
Gen. Rick Hillier: Roger, it’s still early in the game but to say what kinds of services we might provide I can’t tell you. But what we do know is this: we’ve had a lot of experiences in similar disasters and catastrophes, not of the scale and magnitude obviously and tragedy of this one but we know what is required by and large. So we run the gamut and say anything from several C-130 Hercules aircraft to assist in transporting anything into or out of the areas, helicopters to assist in transport of anything inside of the area, electrical generators that can be put in places to generate electricity, water purification plants of which we have some capacity to move into areas and produce potable, drinkable water that is safe for the people. Clearly that’s one of the key issues there. Small boats to run around that flooded area, that coastal waterways, a fleet diving unit detachment with remotely piloted vehicles that could work underwater to clear obstacles or recover things as is necessary, a communications package that could facilitate coordination of the operation, road transport and, my goodness, many other things. We’ve learned many of those lessons and what the requirements are ourselves during things like the ice storm here in 1998, the Red River flood in 1997, the Saguenay floods in ‘97, ‘98. So we know the kinds of things that are needed. We know what we have. We’re getting those kinds of things at a shorter readiness. And we also know of course that the United States of America has immense capacity in all of those so we’re ready if there is a niche that they cannot fill we stand by to fill it.
Question: Thank you.
Question: Daniel LeBlanc, Globe and Mail.
Gen. Rick Hillier: Daniel.
Question: Do you have a sense of the odds that they’ll need something or would they actually welcome Canadian aid more as a friendly gesture and as maybe to help both countries feel good and maybe the people on the ground feel good as well as seeing international help or do you think they’re too proud to actually accept help?
Gen. Rick Hillier: Daniel, I don’t have a sense of whether we will get asked to provide something specific because, as I say, and as we all know, the capacity in the United States of America is immense. However, if there is, we’re simply ready to do it. What we have always seen in the past when people on the ground and those responsible -- when people on the ground need help, it doesn’t matter where it is, and when those responsible to get it to them know that they need help they don’t care from where it will come. So, no, I don’t anticipate obstacles like that would be in the way. We stand ready to help. This is an immense catastrophe. It is going to be a long time to recover from it and so I would think the chances that we could provide something, however small or big, are fairly high.
One of the things, Daniel, and ladies and gentlemen, that we may do and have started the process for is package many of those things that I mentioned to Roger into one of our ships here, have it ready to move down and stand offshore from the devastated area and be able to project those capabilities ashore such as putting water purification plants on, take it ashore, small boats, etc. The good thing about that is as you try to assist in an operation like this you want to go in and become part of the solution and you don’t want to inadvertently become part of the problem. And what I mean by that is if you put two or three hundred soldiers or sailors or airmen or air women on the ground you’ve got to house them, you’ve got to look after them and you’ve got a problem with that alone. If you could station them offshore and provide that same kind of support whilst being self-contained you now become truly a part of the solution. And so now we’re walking through that this afternoon also and being prepared to sail a ship at first opportunity with as much as that kind of package as we could put on it to be able to bring as much assistance as we could put on it to be able to bring as much assistance as we could — again, if we are requested to provide it.
Question: Can we deduce that maybe a ship is going to leave Halifax soon and my guess is if you’re sending the ship you probably have an indication that they might welcome that.
Gen. Rick Hillier: No, Daniel, what I said is we’re identifying a ship and we’re going to package -- we’re going to actually be proactive and get a bunch of these smaller capabilities put onto that ship as much as we can and have it ready to sail. So we’re not going to sit around and have a request come in and then say, "Oh, we’re going to need four or five more days to get it ready." We’re starting the getting ready process now and we’ve made the offers, as I mentioned, to General Meyers, to Admiral Keating and just quite literally half an hour ago the ambassador to Canada from the United States and so now we’re being as ready as we can to provide support should they request it.
Question: John Ward from Canadian Press, General.
Gen. Rick Hillier: John.
Question: A lot of the American troops of course are involved in Afghanistan and Iraq and a lot of them may be national guardsmen from the affected areas. Has any thought been given to augmenting Canadian troops in Afghanistan in order to free up American infantrymen or combat engineers or whatever to go home and help out there.
Gen. Rick Hillier: That would be a slightly longer term approach, John, if the United States of America should come to it. In fact, I think we already are actually preparing to do exactly that. You know I believe that our plans are for the increased Canadian commitment into southern Afghanistan going from the PRT, the Provincial Reconstruction Team in Kandahar and a footprint in Kabul up to a region command and a task force and Provincial Reconstruction Team in the south part of Afghanistan, southeast part. That will in turn permit American forces to start drawing down in some respects and that will start taking place as early as January, early February. In fact our Provincial Reconstruction Team has already relieved some Americans in place and that gives them some capacity to already bring back home. So if other opportunities should offer up clearly they would be options that we’d want to assess to assist the United States in this catastrophe. But I think that one, Afghanistan, coincidentally, fortunately, we’re already on track with.
Question: Jacques Bourbeau with Global Television.
Gen. Rick Hillier: Jacques.
Question: I’ll just turn John’s question on its head. Given the American commitments in Afghanistan and Iraq and stretching the American military capability does that make it perhaps more likely that they might request our help in specific areas?
Gen. Rick Hillier: Jacques, I’m not certain. I’m not certain that that would be correct. They have an immense capacity and they, you know, more than two-thirds of their capacity from the active duty force back in the United States or not deployed on operations plus each state has the national guard which is a sizeable capacity to be able to go in and help. So I actually don’t believe that it would shape it directly to say because we are so deployed we might need this piece from the Canadian Forces and that we could provide it but that is potentially -- it is possible but I don’t see that it would be highly probable.
Question: And did you get any sense from your American counterparts about a timeline when they might be asking us for help?
Gen. Rick Hillier: No, what I’ll tell you is this. Personal experience, Canadian Forces experience, you know. This thing takes place in three phases after the event. Phase one is that first responders’ work. And that’s really what we saw here in the ice storm and in the Red River flood and the Saguenay and other places is about three to five, three to six days. And during that time frame really what you’re doing as a military force if you’ve gotten the word that is big and the help is going to be needed you actually are just moving primarily things in. Now you may get some things there early and start doing operations. But by the end of, you know, day five or six those first responders — police forces, fire departments, volunteer fire departments, medical teams, etc., really start to approach the point of exhaustion. And so you need to be effective about day, you know, day five, day six, day seven as a military force because what you are now doing for the second part of it is filling that gap. And while you are filling that gap and helping bring some relief to those first responders and helping encourage them and allow them to keep going and help do some things yourself, the industrial capacity of a country like Canada or the United States in this case starts kicking in. It requires a few days and weeks to get up to capacity to start, you know, sending food and generators and all those things. And so usually about week three, week four, that industrial capacity has kicked in fully and overwhelms whatever you could bring in military capacity and then you start to actually diminish the size of your contribution and hand it over to our normal industry, private business, etc. And so somewhere in that middle bracket we might see a request from the United States armed forces to say can we fill a niche for them or can we augment something that they’re already doing. And, like I say, our entire endeavour is to be prepared to help friends in their hour of need.
Moderator: Operator, we’ll take a query now from the teleconference.
Operator: Votre prochaine question vient de Maria McClintock de Sun Media. Your next question comes from Maria McClintock from Sun Media. Veuillez procéder. Please go ahead.
Question: On an earlier question you mentioned all of the things, the expertise we could provide but I’m wondering is everybody on standby or could you clarify who’s been given notice to be on standby?
Gen. Rick Hillier: Thank you for the question. I’ll ask Lieutenant-General Demais, our Deputy Chief of Defence Staff, who is responsible to me for coordinating operations, just to speak to that one and I’ll ask him to talk to it, please, Marc.
LGen Marc Dumais: Thank you, General Hillier. Yeah, obviously we’ve got a lot of operations on the go worldwide now so we’re not talking about everyone. We’re certainly going to -- what we’ve been doing over the last few days, as General Hillier has said, is we’ve been in constant contact with our counterparts in the Pentagon in Washington and in NorthCom down in Colorado Springs and getting an assessment of what capacities we could bring to bear on this. Again, as General Hillier has said, we have had some experiences in previous emergencies and natural disasters in Canada and elsewhere. So we have a sense of what could be brought to bear if the Americans so requested it and we are in the process of putting those units at high readiness so that they could deploy depending on the kind of unit in a matter of hours or in a matter of a few days. For example, the Disaster Assistance Response Team, the DART, has an advance unit that’s on 12 hours notice and the main body on 48 hours. And obviously given the situation they could certainly deploy more quickly than that. So all the units that are in that kind of business and all those that are available are going to be at high readiness for sure.
Question: And just as a follow-up can you sort of quantify how many people would be affected by such an order to be on standby?
Gen. Rick Hillier: This is General Hillier and I would say no, we couldn’t at this point in time here. We put the warning order out and what we’re after are specific pieces of capability — so some engineering pieces such as the water purification, the electrical generators, several aircraft such as C-130s. And to quantify the number of people that are required to put that at a high level of readiness to go out the door is extremely difficult to do and one that we don’t normally track. So I’m not avoiding the question at all. I just don’t have an answer for you and I don’t know, Marc, if you could make it any more precise and I don’t believe you can. So I don’t mean to avoid it but the reality is you know I’d like to say there’s 10 people getting an aircraft ready. Reality is it’s probably 10 times that and that’s fine as long as the aircraft is ready. I don’t know.
Operator: Votre prochaine question vient de (inaudible) McMann from Kingston Whig Standard. Your next question comes from (inaudible) McMann from Kingston Whig Standard. Please go ahead with your question. Veuillez procéder.
Question: Hi. My question is about the DART and what this means, what being on standby will mean for the personnel at the headquarters, the DART headquarters in Kingston.
Gen. Rick Hillier: Well, what it means is that there is a potential mission on the horizon for the DART or pieces of it depending on what might be needed. We have walked through with the chain of command the readiness of the DART and in fact I had a chance to talk to Colonel Stogren who has the DART as part of his responsibility in Kingston. He was here yesterday and walked through this with us. So they’re simply ensuring that their readiness -- that they are ready to go. And they’re walking through all the basic things that allow that to occur because there is a potential mission out there. We may not require, even if we get a request, we may never require that DART to go. We may require a piece of it to go. We may require something else, some of the things that I articulated, to go. But we’ll have it ready if it’s needed.
Question: Okay. That was my other question was concerning such a rapid response unit the likelihood that if the U.S. does call on Canada for assistance that the DART would be one of the first to be called on to go.
Gen. Rick Hillier: Depends on what they asked us for. For instance, if they asked us for two C-130s to help lift things in and out of the tragically struck area, then clearly the DART is not involved. So it depends on what they ask. If the capabilities that they -- if what they need happens to be in the DART and it is common sense to send the DART then clearly that’s what we’d want to get ready to go.
Operator: Votre prochaine question vient de Chris Wattie from the National Post. Your next question comes from Chris Wattie from the National Post. Veuillez procéder. Please go ahead.
Question: Good afternoon, General. My question was -- actually, I have two questions. First of all, regarding the possibility of a ship deploying my question was whether or not you had a particular vessel in mind. I was thinking whether possibly one of the supply vessels. Secondly, General Hillier, what sort of challenges do the sort of well-publicized availability problems of the Hercules fleet pose in planning these? What sort of constraints does the fact that there’s so many -- so much wear and tear on our Herc fleet and so many other commitments to any kind of rapid deployment of the DART?
Gen. Rick Hillier: Chris, let me answer the second question first and say that we’re in a fortunate window of opportunity here with respect to the C-130 fleet to be able to assist the United States of America and Americans directly if that is a requirement, if that C-130 is a requirement. We’ve just finished the stand-up in Afghanistan of the Provincial Reconstruction Team so that major movement of people and resources is pretty much complete. We’ve just finished the rotation of the footprint inside of Kabul itself. We’ve just finished a significant chunk of the mission in Darfur, moving some trainers into the area, etc. So we happen to find ourselves in a period where the demands on the C-130 fleet for the immediate future are as probably optimal as they’ll get and we have two C-130s therefore ready, operational, available if they should get asked for as one example. So actually I think circumstances have conspired here that if there’s a need we’re ready to meet that with the C-130s.
On the ship, the staff is busy right now looking at the options and they’ll refine that quite literally over these next hours. We don’t care what kind of ship it is. What we want to do is package into it as much of the kind of things that I articulated earlier that would be needed in that area. Clearly it would be nice to have one of the bigger ships, you could package in more. But it might be one of the frigates. It could be a destroyer or one of the AORs or one of those followed by an AOR. And we’re walking through that right now. The key part is we’ll package a whole lot of those things in — some generators, a water purification unit, small boats, making sure we’ve got a helicopter on that ship for utility work. Those are always invaluable. And as much as we can package into it and have it ready to sail in case they need it and then if the request comes in and we sail it, we’d stand by with a second one to be able to augment or supplement that.
Moderator: Ladies and gentlemen, we have time for two more questions. We’ll go stage right here.
Question: So packing a ship, putting people on standby, meeting and talking to all your American counterparts it sounds like you’re really dying to play a role here. I mean is Canada actually lobbying for a role in this disaster relief and will you be disappointed if you’re not asked?
Gen. Rick Hillier: No, sir, not at all. We’ve got many jobs to do. What I would have to tell you from my perspective if we got asked by our neighbours and friends to the south for help, to help people who are desperately in need of help and weren’t ready to do it, then I think that would be wrong. So what we’re simply doing is making sure that we are ready and ensuring that the — and I speak for the Canadian Forces obviously — and ensuring that the chain of command in the United States Armed Forces and their representative here in Canada is well aware of what we could offer up and that we are ready and that the offer is genuine and that obviously as part of a Canadian effort I have the full backing of the Government of Canada and the prime minister who talked to me last night and said that’s exactly what we need to be able to do and as I articulated this to him of the kinds of things that we could offer was fully supportive of it. We just need to make sure our American friends realize that we’re their friend also.
Question: Just touching again on a point Daniel raised. I mean the American military is obviously the most powerful in the world and there could be a question of pride. Do you think there’s any resistence to being seen to be asking for foreign help, especially from a country with a much smaller military like Canada?
Gen. Rick Hillier: I don’t think this is a question of whether we have a smaller military being seen to help a bigger military whatsoever. These commanders — and I know many of them across the United States Armed Forces — realize that the people in the southern part of the United States are in some desperate straights and they need some help and they need it desperately and they need it quickly. And if they can provide them the help that’s perfect. And if they can’t, they will ask. I am confident of that.
Question: Thank you.
Moderator: Une dernière question.
Question: Peter Chura from CHUM Television.
Gen. Rick Hillier: Peter.
Question: Just to clarify on the ship, so this would definitely be one of the navy’s vessels. You wouldn’t be looking at leasing a civilian transport vessel to go down there.
Gen. Rick Hillier: That’s correct. I think time frame to get the first impact in there, to be ready at least to put a first assistance I was going to say on the ground but in the water nearby, I don’t think we’d want to go down the leasing road here. We’d package on to whatever we could in one of our ships and go from there.
Question: And do you have a budget or a cost in mind? And if I could also just tag on, this capability that you’re outlining sounds an awful lot like that amphibious assault vehicle or amphibious support ship that you were looking for in the last statement, the Defence White Paper. Is this an opportunity to highlight that need for that capability?
Gen. Rick Hillier: I don’t think we need to take an opportunity or look for an opportunity to highlight a need for those kinds of capabilities. The need is obvious and evident and that’s part of the reason our defence policy has laid it out in that way and why we are going ahead in the Canadian Forces to implement that. You might note that in the newspaper reporting yesterday part of what the United States is sending from its armed forces down around the south to the Gulf of Mexico to help is an amphibious task force because it brings those capabilities in peace and in war and so it brings helicopters and it brings medical capabilities and it brings a whole variety of things. So I don’t think we need to particularly seek an opportunity to highlight something that the Defence Policy of Canada says we’re going to go after because the need is evident.
On the budget side of the house, these are not big dollars we’re talking about here. It’s activating people, ensuring they are ready. It’s possibly using some of our tactical transport to move a few things around the country, to preposition them there, let’s say the ship and get them onboard, so move some generators or move what we call the WAPU, the Water Purification Unit in one place. So we’re not talking dollars here. This would be a part of our operational budget to start with. Thank you. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Je vous remercie.
Moderator: There’s some B-roll video if you haven’t picked some up of our replenishment ships at the back of the room. Thank you.
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